[looneycat]

Originally Posted by cybermuda

illegal, certainly, but what would you do if you were in a pack of 20 cyclists?

Assuming two abreast, you would still form a line ten cyclists long and, each time a new pair got to the Stop sign, the line would stop. Then two would go off the front, the line would move forward one bike length, and the new front pair would stop.

As long as they slowed sufficiently to ensure their path was clear then you really can't expect them to do anything else.

Just because the person wearing earphones didn't like being told he was in the wrong...

the simple answer is I would e safe and stop. As long as they slowed sufficiently?? is that like if I only shoot you in the leg it doesn't count? if I come thru the intersection at full speed with no stop sign and only hit one of the other bike riders it's OK? I can't expect them to respect MY safety when they disregard the law...hmmm...no I think I can expect them to do more!!!

[looneycat]

Originally Posted by CFrance

We had an interesting experience with a cyclist group yesterday. We were already in a roundabout on BV, when to our right came a cycling group which didn't yield. They all had their heads down looking at the ground and simply ignored the yield sign. There was a car that had entered the roundabout just behind and beside us. We were stuck... couldn't move over because of that second car, and we were in Ron's very wide Dodge Magnum station wagon. It was scary being so close to them. We slowed to a crawl to let them and the other car get ahead of us, but that's not so safe to do either.

I wish they would have a little bit more situational awareness. It reminded me of our dog who, when he doesn't want to deal with something, turns his head and looks away. "If I can't see it, it's not happening!"

you can't fix stupid!

[Ragman]

I thought the idea of a roundabout was for traffic to proceed without coming to a total stop. I slow to almost a complete stop at roundabouts now because the only "near misses" I have had were recumbent bikes going full speed on the inside lane with a pennant the size of a napkin attached. I know they have the right of way but are almost impossible to see because of the vegetation. I drove a passenger shuttle at a large resort for 12 years, so I am especially careful.

IMO recumbent bikes should not be allowed on the main boulevards and roundabouts for safety reasons. There are plenty of other streets and trails for them to use.

Until then bikers, be aware that vehicle traffic may not see you and ride defensively.

[tzangrilli]

Originally Posted by Barefoot

The main gate on Belvedere at 466 has an arm that is short. Cars must stop, but the arm permits golf carts to easily pass beside the arm without merging with traffic and using a card. In six years, I've never once seen a golf cart use a card.

Tzangrilli, are you positive that golf carts should always leave the golf cart path and merge with traffic, so they can use their card to open the gate? Since it is a "pretend security gate", why would they need to do this?

There is no merge at that point, the cart "lane" (paths are multi modal trails) continues on the right from before the gate to after.
To help with your confusion, the first reason for the "pretend security gate", is not for security but for traffic control. No different than a stop sign or traffic light to let cross traffic proceed safely. Since there is no cross traffic at that gate there must have been an exception made to keep traffic moving.

[Chazz]

Originally Posted by Ragman

I thought the idea of a roundabout was for traffic to proceed without coming to a total stop. I slow to almost a complete stop at roundabouts now because the only "near misses" I have had were recumbent bikes going full speed on the inside lane with a pennant the size of a napkin attached. I know they have the right of way but are almost impossible to see because of the vegetation. I drove a passenger shuttle at a large resort for 12 years, so I am especially careful.

IMO recumbent bikes should not be allowed on the main boulevards and roundabouts for safety reasons. There are plenty of other streets and trails for them to use.

Until then bikers, be aware that vehicle traffic may not see you and ride defensively.

My wife and I ride recumbent trikes inside and outside TV. Have never had a problem being seen in the roundabouts. Always make eye contact with vehicles entering roundabouts. If that's not possible, we toot our extremely loud air horns to alert the drivers that we are present, then give a "thank you" wave. When riding in TV, on the roads or the multi modal paths, we use flags and very bright flashing red tail lights. We use extra care when we are in areas where vegetation, or other obstacles, might impair our visibility to vehicular traffic. In general, I find that cars give me much more space on my trike than they ever did when I rode my upright bike, and have never experienced a situation where it was evident that a motor vehicle driver did not see me. However, there have been a few times (fortunately very rare) where a car or cart driver made it clear that they wished they never saw me, or any other cycle on "their road."

[Russ_Boston]

Originally Posted by Ragman

IMO recumbent bikes should not be allowed on the main boulevards and roundabouts for safety reasons. There are plenty of other streets and trails for them to use.

Yeah - Let's restrict their lawful rights! Then we can go after other laws that give people the same rights as others.



Can't believe you said that and especially the way you phrased it.