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Bonanza 01-23-2015 03:38 AM

Drainage, Beautification, Maintenance of Stop Signs? Huh???
 
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Originally Posted by Bonanza (Post 999478)
An excellent post, Perrjojo. And as far as bicycles paying any kind of road or licensing fee, ridiculous!
Bikes don't have anything to do with wear and tear on the roadways.

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Originally Posted by outlaw (Post 999488)
Licensing and fees are not just about wear and tear. It is about regulation, making sure your vehicle (cycle) is in proper working condition, maintenance of stop signs, warning signs, traffic lights, drainage improvements, beautification, NEW roads, better access, maybe even more attention to cycle friendly design, and on and on.

I did not say that licensing fees had anything to do with wear and tear.
Note they are two separate sentences.

Why would anyone even consider a regulation or law regarding a bicycle being in "good shape" when we don't even have state inspection for cars?
The other things you mention are absurd and have nothing to do with bicycles.

GaryW 01-23-2015 05:13 AM

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Originally Posted by outlaw (Post 999488)
Licensing and fees are not just about wear and tear. It is about regulation, making sure your vehicle (cycle) is in proper working condition, maintenance of stop signs, warning signs, traffic lights, drainage improvements, beautification, NEW roads, better access, maybe even more attention to cycle friendly design, and on and on.

I believe the registration for my cars cover all of the above mentioned.. SO now you want me to pay on my bicycle also.
I guess we need to also come up with a registration fee for the roller bladers also who use the MMP and side streets. Maybe even a sneaker fee for the runners to help create friendly running paths in The Villages, but wait we already have so called friendly places for all, at least I thought. :ohdear:

If we need to make sure vehicles are safe, then we need to go back to the ole State yearly inspections.

outlaw 01-23-2015 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by GaryW (Post 999689)
I believe the registration for my cars cover all of the above mentioned.. SO now you want me to pay on my bicycle also.
I guess we need to also come up with a registration fee for the roller bladers also who use the MMP and side streets. Maybe even a sneaker fee for the runners to help create friendly running paths in The Villages, but wait we already have so called friendly places for all, at least I thought. :ohdear:

If we need to make sure vehicles are safe, then we need to go back to the ole State yearly inspections.

I was just using the argument to point out that licensing and fees are not used solely for wear and tear. I'm not advocating registering bicycles.
Anyone using the MMP is supposed to be paying the amenity fee (I think). Some probably don't, but that is an enforcement issue. People pay extra fees to ride their motorcycle, scooter, even electric golf cart (Par Car NEV). By your logic, if someone has a licensed vehicle, then additional vehicles using the roads should not have to pay?

outlaw 01-23-2015 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Bonanza (Post 999684)
I did not say that licensing fees had anything to do with wear and tear.
Note they are two separate sentences.

Why would anyone even consider a regulation or law regarding a bicycle being in "good shape" when we don't even have state inspection for cars?
The other things you mention are absurd and have nothing to do with bicycles.

I guess I misunderstood you comment. The way you put the two statements together, led me to think that they were somehow related.

dirtbanker 01-23-2015 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by poster
I believe the registration for my cars cover all of the above mentioned.. SO now you want me to pay on my bicycle also.

Yes I do! You are using and enjoying the road MORE having a car and a bicycle, Pay MORE for it. Seems fair to me...

If bicyclist were required to pay for license plates, they would have to display the plate on the bicycle. When they came to the line of cars waiting their turn at a 4 way stop intersection and the cyclist proceeded to rudely drive up the side of the vehicles already sitting there (of course he has his Lance Armstrong wannabe outfit on! :eek:), someone could video tape it on their phone, get the cyclist license plate number, and file a complaint with police.

I agree that there are nut jobs behind the wheel of some cars, but IMHO there seems to be a greater percentage of nut jobs on bicycles. Several times a year I experience bicyclist riding their bicycle down a windy 2 lane road during morning rush hour (people are trying to get to work on time!) and the bicyclist is waving at me to pass in a non passing zone were I can't see if anyone is coming from the other way. I don't trust that stranger's opinion weather there is enough room to pass...just ridiculous!

BTW - I have and ride a bicycle on occasion, and when I do, I ride on the bike path. I would not need to have license plates there...

LndLocked 01-23-2015 09:37 AM

and the wheels on the bus go round and round
round and round, round and round
and the wheels on the buss go round and round
all through TOTV

GaryW 01-23-2015 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by LndLocked (Post 999779)
and the wheels on the bus go round and round
round and round, round and round
and the wheels on the buss go round and round
all through TOTV

Now that is funny :coolsmiley:

GaryW 01-23-2015 11:39 AM

:ohdear::MOJE_whot::faint:
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Originally Posted by dirtbanker (Post 999775)
Yes I do! You are using and enjoying the road MORE having a car and a bicycle, Pay MORE for it. Seems fair to me...

If bicyclist were required to pay for license plates, they would have to display the plate on the bicycle. When they came to the line of cars waiting their turn at a 4 way stop intersection and the cyclist proceeded to rudely drive up the side of the vehicles already sitting there (of course he has his Lance Armstrong wannabe outfit on! :eek:), someone could video tape it on their phone, get the cyclist license plate number, and file a complaint with police.

I agree that there are nut jobs behind the wheel of some cars, but IMHO there seems to be a greater percentage of nut jobs on bicycles. Several times a year I experience bicyclist riding their bicycle down a windy 2 lane road during morning rush hour (people are trying to get to work on time!) and the bicyclist is waving at me to pass in a non passing zone were I can't see if anyone is coming from the other way. I don't trust that stranger's opinion weather there is enough room to pass...just ridiculous!

BTW - I have and ride a bicycle on occasion, and when I do, I ride on the bike path. I would not need to have license plates there...

You have to get to the path some how,,, I know it does not come out of you front door,, so there fore you would be the first one pegged for a trail fee, :spoken:


If you require a bike registration, all bikes. Does not matter where you ride, you must have it. Not sure why anyone would think the law would not apply to them...
Might be a good idea after all,, all the fees raised go to building bike roads,, no cars allowed.:popcorn::faint:

Chazz 01-23-2015 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by dirtbanker (Post 999775)
...BTW - I have and ride a bicycle on occasion, and when I do, I ride on the bike path. I would not need to have license plates there...

I bet you have to ride on your local street to get to the cart path.

alzjr 01-23-2015 04:25 PM

licence plate fees are by weight so how much is it for a 12 pound bike? $1.50 per year?

perrjojo 01-23-2015 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by alzjr (Post 1000059)
licence plate fees are by weight so how much is it for a 12 pound bike? $1.50 per year?

Good point. As I stated before, those annoyed by bicycles on the road will not change their mind. They just don't want bicycles there. It has nothing to do with fees or stop signs. It is not because they are worried about the cyclist saftey. IMO, it just is that bicycles slow them down and are an annoyance. I no longer ride and yes, sometime bicycles stress me but then I say to myself, "patience grasshopper".

Chazz 01-23-2015 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by perrjojo (Post 1000086)
Good point. As I stated before, those annoyed by bicycles on the road will not change their mind. They just don't want bicycles there. It has nothing to do with fees or stop signs. It is not because they are worried about the cyclist saftey. IMO, it just is that bicycles slow them down and are an annoyance. I no longer ride and yes, sometime bicycles stress me but then I say to myself, "patience grasshopper".

Very well said! So sorry that you no longer ride.

biker1 01-24-2015 08:46 AM

This post is disturbing.

The so-called "Lance Armstrong wannabe" outfits are functional clothing designed for comfort (padded bike shorts) and visibility (brightly colored jerseys). Presumably you have contempt for other sports related clothing?

It has been my experience that the word "fair" is often used when someone has an opinion but no real facts/evidence to support their ideas. It is an emotional appeal that should be given no weight in an intelligent discussion.

So, how often do you record the license plate number of cars performing "rudely"? If I stopped to do this I would never arrive at my destination.

Calling people "nutjobs" reflects badly on you. I suggest you stop calling people names.

If someone waves you on and you do not believe it is safe to pass then don't. No comment is required. By the way, cars passing cyclists on 2-lane roads, where they cross a double solid line, is common, and illegal.

If you disagree with the existing laws then you should put in the time and effort to try to change them.

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Originally Posted by dirtbanker (Post 999775)
Yes I do! You are using and enjoying the road MORE having a car and a bicycle, Pay MORE for it. Seems fair to me...

If bicyclist were required to pay for license plates, they would have to display the plate on the bicycle. When they came to the line of cars waiting their turn at a 4 way stop intersection and the cyclist proceeded to rudely drive up the side of the vehicles already sitting there (of course he has his Lance Armstrong wannabe outfit on! :eek:), someone could video tape it on their phone, get the cyclist license plate number, and file a complaint with police.

I agree that there are nut jobs behind the wheel of some cars, but IMHO there seems to be a greater percentage of nut jobs on bicycles. Several times a year I experience bicyclist riding their bicycle down a windy 2 lane road during morning rush hour (people are trying to get to work on time!) and the bicyclist is waving at me to pass in a non passing zone were I can't see if anyone is coming from the other way. I don't trust that stranger's opinion weather there is enough room to pass...just ridiculous!

BTW - I have and ride a bicycle on occasion, and when I do, I ride on the bike path. I would not need to have license plates there...


biker1 01-24-2015 08:58 AM

I am not sure that you need to be paying an amenity fee to use the MMPs. It isn't clear to to me that you need a Villages id and that is the only evidence that you are paying an amenity fee (or are guest of someone who is or is on a lifestyle visit). Golf carts only pay a fee if they are "street legal" and can therefore use the 35 mph roads.

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Originally Posted by outlaw (Post 999727)
I was just using the argument to point out that licensing and fees are not used solely for wear and tear. I'm not advocating registering bicycles.
Anyone using the MMP is supposed to be paying the amenity fee (I think). Some probably don't, but that is an enforcement issue. People pay extra fees to ride their motorcycle, scooter, even electric golf cart (Par Car NEV). By your logic, if someone has a licensed vehicle, then additional vehicles using the roads should not have to pay?


biker1 01-24-2015 09:10 AM

Whenever I am driving, I enjoy seeing people out cycling regardless of whether they are zipping along at 25 mph or just cruising along taking in the scenery. I give cyclists the widest possible space when I pass and only pass when I can do so. I appreciate it when others do the same for me. The amount of effort it takes to be kind to cyclists is minimal, and so is the amount of time it takes.


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Originally Posted by perrjojo (Post 1000086)
Good point. As I stated before, those annoyed by bicycles on the road will not change their mind. They just don't want bicycles there. It has nothing to do with fees or stop signs. It is not because they are worried about the cyclist saftey. IMO, it just is that bicycles slow them down and are an annoyance. I no longer ride and yes, sometime bicycles stress me but then I say to myself, "patience grasshopper".


dirtbanker 01-24-2015 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by ??
This post is disturbing.

:1rotfl:


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