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Bogie Shooter 03-31-2013 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by rubicon (Post 651127)

Willie Nelson's Concert never got filled at $125.00 per ticket. Many full time residents refuse to golf the Championships courses during prime season because of the prices. If you really believe that a PAC is needed then estblish a committee to solicit memberships to a PAC and build it and fill it via the committee but please we are paying more taxes now on stuff that has little affect on most of us already and thr last thing we need is a PAC

As an alternative, I suspect Vesco's are vying to increase their market since they took over for the Developer. Let the Vesco's pay for a PAC.

Be clear the freebies are over as Lake-Sumter, Inc is rounding the corner on this development and really doesn't need to wine and dine you any longer. so what was free will now come with a price
The Nelson Concert was sold out............tried to buy tickets and none were available.

Dr Winston O Boogie jr 03-31-2013 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 651540)
The Nelson Concert was sold out............tried to buy tickets and none were available.
You're talking about 850 people vs 10,000.

zonerboy 03-31-2013 10:11 AM
Many performances at Savannah Center are sold out despite the fact that the folding chairs are uncomfortable and because the floor is flat the view of the performers is often blocked by the heads of persons on front of you.
We may not need a full fledged performing arts center. But a venue the size of Savannah but with a sloping type floor and permanent seating should not be unaffordable. It's just like a movie theater, only bigger. Many colleges or universities have large lecture halls of this capacity. And the population base is smaller than the Villages.
Why would this not work.

Bogie Shooter 03-31-2013 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr (Post 651544)
You're talking about 850 people vs 10,000.
Yes, I know that. Was just pointing out that it had sold out......previously posted it did not.

graciegirl 03-31-2013 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by zonerboy (Post 651550)
Many performances at Savannah Center are sold out despite the fact that the folding chairs are uncomfortable and because the floor is flat the view of the performers is often blocked by the heads of persons on front of you.
We may not need a full fledged performing arts center. But a venue the size of Savannah but with a sloping type floor and permanent seating should not be unaffordable. It's just like a movie theater, only bigger. Many colleges or universities have large lecture halls of this capacity. And the population base is smaller than the Villages.
Why would this not work.
THAT is what Mark Morse offered the committee and he was turned down. He was going to do that and enlarge the church on the square if I read all this stuff correctly.

Good enough is sometimes Good Enough.

As you can see I am a fiscal conservative.

REDCART 03-31-2013 10:33 AM
An old boss used to say, "Never let perfect get in the way of better!" IMHO, the proposed retrofit of Church on the Square would have been better than the Savannah Center. Was it a perfect solution? No! And the residents would have had their regional rec center returned to them for its original purpose. As it turned out, we'll get nothing like PALMS in our lifetime. The Savannah Center was fine when TV was at 50-60K but we'll soon be over 100K. If the demand is really there Vesco may ultimately decide to schedule a show for four performances instead of two. Doesn't appear that Willie Nelson is selling out the house in April but that may stem from less demand after April 1st or as others have said, the cost of the tickets.

njbchbum 03-31-2013 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Nipper (Post 650930)
The Savannah Center can hardly be described as a performing arts center. The seats and acoustics are terrible. This community of 100,000 residents and the surrounding communities could easily support a world
class performing arts center. We applaud the efforts of the PALMS group --- and it's a standing ovation!
nipper - would you still applaud the efforts if having a pac meant an increase in your amenities fee or an annual special assessment in order to keep it operational?

Challenger 03-31-2013 12:20 PM
From my experience virtually all PACs are money pits requiring government bail out or subsidies. Be ready for higher fees or taxes." There's no such thing as a free lunch"

Villages Kahuna 03-31-2013 03:01 PM
Am I Understanding Correctly?
 
I thought Mark Morse made the proposal for the construction of a performing arts center, expanding the Church on the Square and utilizing the "park" next door for expansion. I thought the plan was to expand the capacity, improve the staging, lifghting and acoustics, provide for more comfortable stadium seating, etc.

As I'm recalling, the Amenities Committee for the area north of CR 466 was to be a party to the interlocal agreement, and they voted the proposal down. If I'm recalling correctly, the AAC didn't want to sacrifice the COS in favor of a PAC.

Now the Morse proposal has resurfaced. If I'm reading it correctly, the AAC isn't included as a party to the interlocal agreement, therefore won't be able to veto the proposal.

Am I understanding this correctly?

graciegirl 03-31-2013 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Villages Kahuna (Post 651691)
I thought Mark Morse made the proposal for the construction of a performing arts center, expanding the Church on the Square and utilizing the "park" next door for expansion. I thought the plan was to expand the capacity, improve the staging, lifghting and acoustics, provide for more comfortable stadium seating, etc.

As I'm recalling, the Amenities Committee for the area north of CR 466 was to be a party to the interlocal agreement, and they voted the proposal down. If I'm recalling correctly, the AAC didn't want to sacrifice the COS in favor of a PAC.

Now the Morse proposal has resurfaced. If I'm reading it correctly, the AAC isn't included as a party to the interlocal agreement, therefore won't be able to veto the proposal.

Am I understanding this correctly?
I don't think there is a NEW proposal. I think young Mr. Morse only made one. It was turned down, and we are doing what old people do a lot...talk about it and beat it to death.

Villages Kahuna 03-31-2013 07:49 PM
Not In My Lifetime
 
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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 651699)
I don't think there is a NEW proposal. I think young Mr. Morse only made one. It was turned down, and we are doing what old people do a lot...talk about it and beat it to death.
That would be too bad. As hard as the PALMS group has worked, I'd be willing to bet that the first performance in any new performing arts center to be built under their auspices won't happen in my lifetime. I thought I saw one report of a study they did saying that to get reasonably good acts in a new PAC, the ticket prices would have to be in the fifty dollar range. If that's the case, there'll be a whole lot of people asking their friends how the act was the night before. I know there are very few acts that I'd pay fifty bucks a seat to see.


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