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Army Guy 01-30-2010 08:23 AM

Lou, I agree with you 100%. As I have said I follow rules, regs, what ever we want to call them, to the letter. Maybe it has to do with my military, maybe it doesn't. But fact is rules are made and we have to follow them or pay the penalty. We ALL had to read and sign saying we understood the rules when we bought at TV. Does TV let the rules slide at times, YOU BETCHA! So we as OWNERS need to force them to enforce them. Cause if you think about it, we had to sign that we would abide by them, so we entered a "contract" with TV. If they don't enforce, isn't that a breach of contract? I tell you one that really gripes me, is Garage Doors being left open. In the rules it states they will not be left open, but I see plenty that leave open all day and night. And most Garages inside are a MESS!! But I have NEVER seen CW stop and tell them to close it. Just one example.
I agree totally with your feelings about Guest Passes, and so do MANY others. I believe 30 days a year PERIOD. Am I saying you can't have guests more then that, NO, they just can't swim, play golf, etc. As I have said before WE pay the fees, they DON'T. If they want to use the facilities we have in TV....BUY HERE, like the rest of us did. I am against people using LSVs as vacations also. You get one, then if working with an agent to buy, you can get two more to look at homes, and final one at closing. You bring up the Squares, my feelings? At night when the groups, etc are performing, they should be CLOSED and CW check IDs for getting in. We are PAYING for the entertainment, not Parkwood, Stone Crest, etc. And kids? If no RESPONSIBLE adult with them, throw 'em out. They have no business here.
With all that being said, Lou, TV is a great place, is it perfect? No, no place in the world is. BUT is it worth the extra price of buying TV, and is it near perfect as it can? YOU BETHCA!!!!!!!!!!!!! We searched for 5 years and looked at dozens of places from Williamsburg, VA down the coast. Ain't nothing like TV anywhere!
And Money, I am all for those contected with TV, and the school, etc using the facilities. It is a perk of the business, just like in the Army I can use the PX, etc. No problem there. It is all the other, and yes I will say it, Freeloaders, that should not.
ok, once again off my soap box!

Army Guy

Talk Host 01-30-2010 08:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Army Guy (Post 245977)
You bring up the Squares, my feelings? At night when the groups, etc are performing, they should be CLOSED and CW check IDs for getting in. We are PAYING for the entertainment, not Parkwood, Stone Crest, etc. And kids? If no RESPONSIBLE adult with them, throw 'em out. They have no business here.

Army Guy


If I'm not mistaken, those are public streets, paid by public tax dollars. Can't forbid anybody from using them.

Army Guy 01-30-2010 08:41 AM

Understand about the streets, but I mean the actual "square" area where the sitting and dancing is.

Army Guy

chuckster 01-30-2010 08:55 AM

Believe the commercial tenants pay for the entertainment not the residents. It's a CDD unto itself. Could be wrong ...........

Army Guy 01-30-2010 09:13 AM

chuckster, if that is the case then I am wrong with my complaint on the entertainment. I thought it was part of the fee we pay.

Army Guy

Avista 01-30-2010 09:35 AM

I understand most of the folks who live in Bison work for The Villages. Shouldn't we be more hospitable toward them?

bluedog103 01-30-2010 10:15 AM

First time we were in TV it was just a day trip. No invitation, we weren't anyone's guests. We just drove over, took a trolley tour, had dinner and wandered around the square.
No we didn't play golf or attempt to use the pools or even drive on the cart paths. We were just outsiders visiting, as we've done in hundreds of communities around the world. Everone we met was friendly and made us feel comfortable.
Had we been given the bums rush, it's not likely we'd consider TV "America's Friendliest Hometown". Not likely would have returned and eventually bought a home in TV.
Rules are fine and should be enforced if they negatively affect your lifestyle. This should not be heavy handed. Who wants to live in a police state? Sometimes we need to lighten up a little.

cybrgeezer 01-30-2010 10:47 AM

Another idea
 
The issue of who uses the facilities seems to be one of who pays the amenity fees. You all seem to feel – and rightly so – that if you have to pay, you should have exclusive rights to the facilities. No problem; in fact, it seems only fair.

But I have a question. Some time back, I posed this in an e-mail to the sales office as to whether it COULD be done. I received no answer. Now, I wonder how you feel about whether it SHOULD be possible:

How do you feel about people who live near The Villages paying the amenity fee for the right to use facilities and participate in activities? They would pay a fair fee (since on another thread about the fee it seems not to be standard throughout The Villages) in return for all the rights and privileges.

It seems that would alleviate everyone's objections to “outsiders” using pools, cart paths, etc., while allowing people who live nearby to not be excluded from the larger community, one that includes their 70,000 or so neighbors in TV.

I haven't seen anyone suggest this so far, so what do you all think?

dillywho 01-30-2010 10:49 AM

No Bums Rush
 
They are not getting what you call "the bums rush". It would be a different story if they were charged and paid for the ammenities the same as we do, but they don't. There is an actual family section (children are allowed) within TV and they do not pay for the ammenities nor use them. They understand this when they purchase there. Why should Bison or any of the other surrounding areas be any different? People here are not being rude, just trying to protect their investments.

If you check back, Katie Belle's at one time was open to everyone. It was changed to a residents and guests only when the residents could not get in because it was always full of people from the surrounding areas. That was also when there were very few places in TV to go and Katie Belle's was much larger then as well. The residents still couldn't get in much of the time because of those coming in from surrounding areas.

BTW, anyone can play the championship courses only, not the executive courses. To play the championship, they just have to pay the non-resident green fees which are the highest fees. Priority resident members, residents, and their registered guests get first choice on tee times. The country clubs where I have lived previously didn't do this. You either belonged or you ate, swam, or played golf or tennis elsewhere. All the ones here are open to the public.

dillywho 01-30-2010 10:54 AM

Another Thing
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cybrgeezer (Post 245996)
The issue of who uses the facilities seems to be one of who pays the amenity fees. You all seem to feel – and rightly so – that if you have to pay, you should have exclusive rights to the facilities. No problem; in fact, it seems only fair.

But I have a question. Some time back, I posed this in an e-mail to the sales office as to whether it COULD be done. I received no answer. Now, I wonder how you feel about whether it SHOULD be possible:

How do you feel about people who live near The Villages paying the amenity fee for the right to use facilities and participate in activities? They would pay a fair fee (since on another thread about the fee it seems not to be standard throughout The Villages) in return for all the rights and privileges.

It seems that would alleviate everyone's objections to “outsiders” using pools, cart paths, etc., while allowing people who live nearby to not be excluded from the larger community, one that includes their 70,000 or so neighbors in TV.

I haven't seen anyone suggest this so far, so what do you all think?

They do not pay the big bonds in addition to the ammenity fees, either. The ammenities, etc. are constructed with those bonds. We have to pay our share of the bonds to live here.

skip0358 01-30-2010 11:09 AM

What's right
 
We visited some years back. We liked what we saw and that's what kep't us coming back. There were rules and restrictions, that's what we wanted. I had my share of don't tell me what I can do and the results were a very messy, depressed neighborhood. Anybody who bought elsewhere did so because the house prices were cheaper, the fees were cheaper, there were no bonds and very little rules.We bought a lifestyle and pay for this lifestyle, therefore we HAVE to protect this lifestyle. The pools, rec centers, golf courses etc. belong to us and our invited guests.I understand that the properties on 101 have a TV connection and I know they're not completed
( no rec. center & pool yet .) I believe when we visited there to look for my daughter the sales person said those residents had access to TV now what does that mean. As for the residents who life here with friends in the other communities close by you should not be getting guest passes for those people to have free access to our facilities. I know the guest pass rules were recently changed but I think they need to be tightened up a little more. Right now with the winter residents here it's pretty darn crowded at the pools and resteraunts. What's going to happen at build out or when more people are permanent. If you want to use here then move here. Just my opinion.

OutsiderWithInterest 01-30-2010 11:09 AM

I just have to rant here.

Gosh, I was considering moving into Bison Valley myself given the historic low prices right now, but I believe I will rethink that.

I love Villagers, but my gosh, there's a measely 96 homes in there. These are owned by the folks that keep the Villages running; and some of your are miffed that these people might use your cart paths & pools?!

Give me !#$ break. If you want to live in a submarine where "only the residents" get in and close the hatch, that's fine, but if you're going to own the submarine, then be prepared to run the submarine. Let all the recreation, golf facilities, waste water facilities, landscaping---EVERYTHING be run by residents only. The rest of us interlopers will move on.

How would you all like that?

skip0358 01-30-2010 11:30 AM

I don't live in a yellow submarine.
 
I don't care if you visit, come to eat, go to parades,fairs,polo grounds etc. As for the rec. facilites that's a different story. As for us running the facility how many people besides those living on 101 have JOBS here and make a pretty darn good living here.Where would all these people work. But that's off the topic of this thread. Earlier threads have stated pass rules were changed because of abuse. People living here caring for outsiders children and bring them to the family pool. People from outside without passes etc.Those changes were needed and I believe there are stii more restrictions needed. I'm sure if I went to stone crest, dell webb, legacy, arlinton ridge etc I couldn't walk in and use their pool or rec center. Thats all, I'm done.

dillywho 01-30-2010 11:35 AM

Correction
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by OutsiderWithInterest (Post 246001)
I just have to rant here.

Gosh, I was considering moving into Bison Valley myself given the historic low prices right now, but I believe I will rethink that.

I love Villagers, but my gosh, there's a measely 96 homes in there. These are owned by the folks that keep the Villages running; and some of your are miffed that these people might use your cart paths & pools?!

Give me !#$ break. If you want to live in a submarine where "only the residents" get in and close the hatch, that's fine, but if you're going to own the submarine, then be prepared to run the submarine. Let all the recreation, golf facilities, waste water facilities, landscaping---EVERYTHING be run by residents only. The rest of us interlopers will move on.

How would you all like that?

They are not all owned by "folks that keep the villages running". Anyone can buy in there. They can have kids....you cannot in TV. This is a "retirement community". We have restrictions so why would/should it be open to eveyone else with no restrictions? Would you buy a lot, build and equip a big rec room, have an indoor and/or outdoor pool, shuffleboard court, horseshoe pit, pool tables, etc. and then just let anyone use all of it and you foot all the bills? Could they use your kitchen to entertain their friends while using all your fun stuff? Not. That's what you're asking us to do. We pay and you play? Not.

OutsiderWithInterest 01-30-2010 11:58 AM

Not correct. The neighborhood is restricted to people who work for the villages in some manner. Some may work for the district, recreation, etc. Some may work for a contractor who works for the villages. ALL must be connected to the Villages though; and I DO NOT MEAN politically connected (I am sure the light bulbs of 1% of you came on when you read that).

Hey here's a thought. Why not erect a Berlin Wall around the Villages. Put up some checkpoints. That'll keep everyone out. Your squares and restaurants will shut down, but it will ensure that your pools and rec centers are 100% exclusive to residents.

I know I'm over the top here, but I am seriously having to rethink my desire to live in Bison Valley. Maybe it's best to work here but keep my 45 minute commute. I would hate to go through all the trouble only to get a finger from some mad residents when they see me drive out of my neighborhood in my golf cart.

Oh well, have a nice day all.


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