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chuckinca 06-02-2009 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Muncle (Post 207025)
Don't let the door hit ya!



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Not too Friendly Muncle - you'll be in the stocks again!

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Muncle 06-02-2009 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Quixote (Post 207035)
Me again. This is what I said yesterday. Todays taxed bond rates may be less then the tax-free bond rates from 03. Maybe because of the tanked economy it may be a wash if this is part of the outcome.

But why are people trying to figure an outcome when theres no way to have a clue what the outcome can be. Its almost like there are people like the Orlando paper who are deliberately stirring up things pretending to be reporting, and for some villagers they are succeeding. Maybe they are looking to sell more papers or maybe there own policies are showing in this negative so-called reporting.

I think there are people who resent Mr. Morse's great personal financial success even though he is building a quality product and from what I read there are people, even inside the Villages who enjoy living there, who will knock him down no matter what he does. If hes wrong on this IRS thing, thats between him and the IRS. Why are people getting so upset when theres no facts or outcome yet to be upset about.

Someone said something about a "IRS victory." This is a strange way to put it. This isnt a war, this is a matter of law. And the law will sort it all out, Im sure.

Thank you, Don. You've reiterated a point a couple of us have tried to make earlier in this thread and in previous threads. From the views of several folks, we evidently failed. I hope your logic fares better.

You said it pretty straightforwardly: "why are people trying to figure an outcome when theres no way to have a clue what the outcome can be" There are no facts yet, only opinion.



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Lauren Ritchie 06-03-2009 09:55 AM

EdVinMass

i understand why you call the district the developer's.

legally, however, it's just not so. i guess you can persist in that line of thought if you like. but you will find that the rest of the legal world, including the IRS, is proceeding as though it is a separate entity, one that theoretically is supposed to act in the best interest of the residents.

advogado,
bingo. perfect. you nailed it.

lauren

EdV 06-03-2009 02:57 PM

Lauren,

Once again you misunderstand me and continue to harp on the distinction between Gary Morse the person, and the legal enterprises that he controls. But I was taking issue with you on the fact that you implied that because of that distinction, it somehow meant that The District (the VCCDD and SLCDD) had somehow become "Your" government as you called it. Here are your statements:

Statement: “Realize that Morse did not issue these tax-exempt bonds. The board of supervisors of your district government did.”

Statement: “….he is not liable for any taxes on the bonds because he didn't issue the bonds -- your district did.”

Would you kindly respond to that issue and explain to the other members of TOTV exactly who you are referring to when you use the word “Your”. Being a Poli-Sci major, I’m sure you’re aware that under Florida Law, Chapter 190, the Board of Supervisors of a CDD are elected by the Landowners in the CDD and not by Landowners in other CDDs.

ricthemic 06-03-2009 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by EdVinMass (Post 207183)
Lauren,

Once again you misunderstand me and continue to harp on the distinction between Gary Morse the person, and the legal enterprises that he controls. But I was taking issue with you on the fact that you implied that because of that distinction, it somehow meant that The District (the VCCDD and SLCDD) had somehow become "Your" government as you called it. Here are your statements:

Statement: “Realize that Morse did not issue these tax-exempt bonds. The board of supervisors of your district government did.”

Statement: “….he is not liable for any taxes on the bonds because he didn't issue the bonds -- your district did.”

Would you kindly respond to that issue and explain to the other members of TOTV exactly who you are referring to when you use the word “Your”. Being a Poli-Sci major, I’m sure you’re aware that under Florida Law, Chapter 190, the Board of Supervisors of a CDD are elected by the Landowners in the CDD and not by Landowners in other CDDs.


EDVIN,
As someone else (like Lauren) who does not live in TV I think it is absolutely normal to refer to any local goverment, school sports team, library where you live as YOURS whether they are elected or appointed.
Or would you like to explain it further, again

cabo35 06-03-2009 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Lauren Ritchie (Post 207106)
EdVinMass

i understand why you call the district the developer's.

legally, however, it's just not so. i guess you can persist in that line of thought if you like. but you will find that the rest of the legal world, including the IRS, is proceeding as though it is a separate entity, one that theoretically is supposed to act in the best interest of the residents.

advogado,
bingo. perfect. you nailed it.

lauren

Lauren,

I have some sincere questions for you. No sarcasm intended or implied.

Have you ever written a positive column on the developer or The Villages?

For example, have you ever written about the positive and negative aspects connected to the development of The Villages? ie; the impact on the economy, jobs, increased tax revenues, medical facilities, schools, etc. in Sumter, Marion and Lake Counties.

Have you contrasted the area before the development and after? Are county residents better off now or before Mr. Schwartz and Mr. Morse created The Villages?

Have you ever toured the charter school campus built by the developer that educates non-Village residents? What a story there.

If not, wouldn't it give balance to what appears to be to many, a negative campaign against the developer and the Villages

There is certainly room for objective, conflicting and interesting perspectives on the above subject matter.

I am not connected in anyway with the developer and on occasion have been critical of some decision making. It has not diminished our happiness with living the dream in TV.




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GMONEY 06-04-2009 04:47 AM

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Originally Posted by cabo35 (Post 207229)
Lauren,

I have domr a sincere questions for you. No sarcasm intended or implied.

Have you ever written a positive column on the developer or The Villages?

For example, have you ever written about the positive and negative aspects connected to the development of The Villages? ie; the impact on the economy, jobs, increased tax revenues, medical facilities, schools, etc. in Sumter, Marion and Lake Counties.

Have you contrasted the area before the development and after? Are county residents better off now or before Mr. Schwartz and Mr. Morse created The Villages?

Have you ever toured the charter school campus built by the developer that educates non-Village residents? What a story there.

If not, wouldn't it give balance to what appears to be to many, a negative campaign against the developer and the Villages

There is certainly room for objective, conflicting and interesting perspectives on the above subject matter.

I am not connected in anyway with the developer and on occasion have been critical of some decision making. It has not diminished our happiness with living the dream in TV.




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You might be asking to much there !!! Not many people would step away from the negative news making info to let people know what good comes from The Villages. That School is really good. That is thanks to fine people of The Villages and the developers. You will only get the dirty smack. Just look at the news on at 5 from any channel. It is all bad for about the first 17 minutes, then the weather comes on. The back to negative or about the Magic and how the players live in 7 million dollar mansions.

Not to often a "reporter" will focus on the great stuff. Dirt is what attracts the big money.....

Just a Thought

Quixote 06-04-2009 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by GMONEY (Post 207285)
You might be asking to much there !!! Not many people would step away from the negative news making info to let people know what good comes from The Villages. That School is really good. That is thanks to fine people of The Villages and the developers. You will only get the dirty smack. Just look at the news on at 5 from any channel. It is all bad for about the first 17 minutes, then the weather comes on. The back to negative or about the Magic and how the players live in 7 million dollar mansions.

Not to often a "reporter" will focus on the great stuff. Dirt is what attracts the big money.....

Just a Thought

I couldnt agree more. Remember this story like other stories in other newspapers this reporter or columnist or what she calls herself may just be doing her job with a viewpoint she is told to use by her employer the Orlando newspaper.

DickY 06-04-2009 08:20 AM

Read this weeks Recreation News that is an insert in today's Sun that gives the VCCDD viewpoint on this subject. http://www.districtgov.org/images/wh...news200906.pdf

Advogado 06-05-2009 06:16 AM

Updates at Property Owners' Association Meetings
 
For objective updates on the situation, I would suggest attending the monthly POA meetings. Website: http://www.poa4us.org/

cabo35 06-06-2009 11:32 AM

Re posted in "Orlando Sentinel what if" thread


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