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Old 05-13-2011, 10:34 AM
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I received a letter the other day informing me that I could payoff my bond. I was wondering if anyone had any opinions pro or con on the subject.
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Old 05-13-2011, 10:48 AM
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I received a letter the other day informing me that I could payoff my bond. I was wondering if anyone had any opinions pro or con on the subject.
You are probably paying 7% on the bond. If we could have that as a guarantee return on my investments, I'd retire today. If you have idle funds that do not provide that return, as a strictly financial decision. I think it's a good idea. Cash flow is key. Now to get financing now might be more costly then you save. Also a heloc now is obviously lower but there is no guarantee what it will be so you need a fixed rate.

Some people believe that a paid off bond does not help to sell the house off.

I disagree. Buying a house is fianancial and what it costs in total is the key.

A little marketing goes a long way.
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Old 05-13-2011, 11:14 AM
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Some people believe that a paid off bond does not help to sell the house off.

I disagree. Buying a house is fianancial and what it costs in total is the key.

A little marketing goes a long way.[/QUOTE]

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IMO you are partialy correct, but you are really not summarizing the concerns of people regarding a paid off bond.

A paid off bond would most definitely "help" sell a house. What the concern is ..you most likely will not recoup in full the amount of money you paid on the bond in the resale price of teh home. For ex, if you have 2 identical houses on a street one priced at $300,000 with a 20,000 bond yet to be paid off, and the other priced at 320,000 but the Bond is PAID in FULL. the lower priced house will get offers closer to its asking price while The house at $320K will get alot of offers but the offers will most likey be below $320 .......In essence you are discounting the total price of the house which is a good deal for the buyer and makes a quick sell for the seller.

Also remember a buyer can only get a loan for the appraised value of the house, and the appraisal would not include or consider the Bond paid. However, As long as the buyer has a downpayment that at least covers the bond plus XX% the buyer would get a loan that in essence now includes the former bond and be fully deductible.
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Old 05-13-2011, 12:00 PM
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Hi TJ,

If you're planning to live in your current TV home for many years to come, paying off the high-interest debt would probably save you money. I believe the debate is whether you would recoup the full bond payment if you sell your house in a few years. I've never seen any stats on this.

Interest on the bond is not deductible, either for you or for a future buyer of your home.
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Old 05-13-2011, 12:33 PM
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In most states the cost of the infrastructure is included in the orginal cost of the house and not deferred as a "Bond". The bond is a lein against the property and thus should be considered in the "price" being paid for the house. The sweet music The Villages sales reps sing make it sound different. Remember, if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, smells like a duck and looks like a duck it IS a duck! Most independent sales reps admit what the "Bond" really is. If you are selling a reduced bond home you should be sure that your agent views it in this light and argues the "total price" concept to potential buyers.
You are not very savy if you do not consider the outstanding bond as part of the purchase price of the home. Even less savy if you want to pay 7% non- tax-deductible interest for umpteen years; especially if you have the cash to pay it off or finance it as part of a 5% mortgage!

As an aside, homeowners in non-bonded communities and those who purchased $0 bond homes are overpaying property taxes if the assessor does not add the bond balance to the appraised value cost of the home. Just think of the tax dollars Marion and Sumter counties are losing from The Villages areas because of under assessments!
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Old 05-13-2011, 04:13 PM
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Do the math. For instance if I pay off my bond now I'll be even in ten years. If I let it run out to the end I'll have paid more than double what I would Pay now.

It's really up to you.

I hear that some unscrupulous people write off the payment on their income tax return since it's included in your property tax bill. This is wrong.
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Do the math. For instance if I pay off my bond now I'll be even in ten years. If I let it run out to the end I'll have paid more than double what I would Pay now.

It's really up to you.

I hear that some unscrupulous people write off the payment on their income tax return since it's included in your property tax bill. This is wrong.
And illegal-
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The letter we got this week states our bond is at 5.375%. "Lucky us!" I believe we've got 26 more years left on it. That's not too bad a rate, though.

If I felt that we were going to keep this particular TV property long-term, we'd pay the bond off now - no question. That not being the case, our current thinking is that we'll just roll along for the next few years and pay the annual amount as we go.

It's never made sense to me that the prevailing (though not absolute) philosophy seems to be that a seller won't be able to recoup the amount of their paid off bond when the property is sold. It is illogical/counterintuitive/whatever - but it is what it is, at least for now. Maybe the mentality will change after the build-out is complete.

Or maybe Publishers Clearing House will stop by our place soon with the "Big Check".............

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The interest rates do vary from district to district, so it's another factor to consider. Homeowners in my district (District 4) who have not paid off their bond pay 4.817 percent annual interest on their outstanding bond balance. The District 4 Board of Supervisors refinanced the bonds in 2010 for the lower rate.
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6.375 % in District 8 St. Charles, I think we will pay it off this year!
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We have a house in Buttonwood and just got our letter about the bond. Listed rate was around 6%. After discussing with our financial planner, we decided to pay it off. The things that entered our decision- 1) We had the cash, 2)we can't get 6% on any reasonable investment, 3)We built the house to our specifications so we are planning to stay there for some time. This is a personal decision with many factors that could impact your decision. Good luck and welcome to the villages.
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Is there any way to assume the position of bond holder? Lets say I pay off my bond in 2015 and the regular schedule for the bond goes to 2040. Is there any way to give the schedule for my unit to any new buyers and for the years 2016 to 2040 have them pay me annually for the bond vs. the current setup??

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Also remember a buyer can only get a loan for the appraised value of the house, and the appraisal would not include or consider the Bond paid. However, As long as the buyer has a downpayment that at least covers the bond plus XX% the buyer would get a loan that in essence now includes the former bond and be fully deductible.[/QUOTE]
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Old 10-02-2013, 02:56 PM
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[QUOTE=TerriScott;756445]Is there any way to assume the position of bond holder? Lets say I pay off my bond in 2015 and the regular schedule for the bond goes to 2040. Is there any way to give the schedule for my unit to any new buyers and for the years 2016 to 2040 have them pay me annually for the bond?"

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Since the stock market delivers much more that 4%, 5%, 6%.......finance the bond and invest the $$$.

The question is, are you deducting the payments on your income tax return each year???
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If you make more on your money where it is than the interest you pay on the bond, leave it there. If not, pay off the bond. It really is that simple.
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