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Bogie Shooter 05-31-2013 01:21 PM

Maybe it was a part of this gang of thieves......
 
By Eloísa Ruano González, Orlando Sentinel

8:47 a.m. EDT, May 24, 2013
Lake deputies said today they're looking into a string of burglaries on the north end of the county.

About 60 burglaries have been reported in the past several weeks in Lady Lake, Leesburg and the Bassville Park area, according to the Lake County Sheriff's Office. Deputies said multiple groups are involved in breaking into homes and that the burglars could be connected.

"Burglaries have been reported to have occurred during daytime hours and involved forced entry into homes," sheriff's spokesman Sgt. Jim Vachon said.

He said deputies arrested last week a pair who was involved in several burglaries on Corley Island Road in Leesburg. Deputies were responding to a burglar-alarm call when they found Stacey Brown, 40, and Corey Payton, 35, in the area, Vachon said.

The duo was pulled over and deputies found stolen property in their car, he said. They were booked into the Lake County Jail.

"Detectives believe the two may be connected to more burglaries in the area and are continuing to develop information," Vachon added.

Deputies also are looking for a green, two-door Ford — likely from the late 1980s — that could be involved in some of the burglaries. Detectives said it's likely a late 80s.

Anyone with information should call the Sheriff's Office at 352-343-2101 or Crimeline at 1-800-423-TIPS.

golfer808 05-31-2013 01:34 PM

Not sure but someone who actually knew the couple and exactly what happened. Probably someone on Vanilla Leaf or Twisted Oak. I've already deleted it since I knew it was true. TV certainly didn't send it.

Bavarian 05-31-2013 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 684742)
Did they break down the front door? That would not be a small effort and would take an implement, I would think. Or did they go through the back sliders? They can be forced if they don't have a stick in them.

I have now lived here for five years, the first four half time. I have never spoken or heard from anyone personally or knew anyone personally that knew anyone personally that had a break in. There was jewelry taken from two or three homes in the middle of the day while the owners were away north of 466, reported on this forum and in The Daily Sun. If I remember correctly, the son of a resident was arrested. There was a sub contractor arrested for stealing appliances from a home not yet closed reported in The Daily Sun. Golf carts were stolen and they caught the son of the resident who was doing it and selling them to a person off campus, also reported in The Daily Sun.

It is as safe here as it was in Ohio in my opinion. I am impressed with the new security systems using cameras. They are installed all over the inside and outside of homes, hidden from plain view and you can access them from your smart phone when you are away. (I don't sell them. I get checks directly from Gary Morse, remember? He gave me my house);)

Is Vanilla leaf completely sold out or only partially inhabited?

I haven't read the paper yet this morning. If it isn't in the paper someone ELSE please call the news editor, (Reba?). I think I have pithed her off because I have called several times to check on things.

All houses? don not remember that at design meeting. What is website to sign up on?

justjim 05-31-2013 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 684958)
By Eloísa Ruano González, Orlando Sentinel

8:47 a.m. EDT, May 24, 2013
Lake deputies said today they're looking into a string of burglaries on the north end of the county.

About 60 burglaries have been reported in the past several weeks in Lady Lake, Leesburg and the Bassville Park area, according to the Lake County Sheriff's Office. Deputies said multiple groups are involved in breaking into homes and that the burglars could be connected.

"Burglaries have been reported to have occurred during daytime hours and involved forced entry into homes," sheriff's spokesman Sgt. Jim Vachon said.

He said deputies arrested last week a pair who was involved in several burglaries on Corley Island Road in Leesburg. Deputies were responding to a burglar-alarm call when they found Stacey Brown, 40, and Corey Payton, 35, in the area, Vachon said.

The duo was pulled over and deputies found stolen property in their car, he said. They were booked into the Lake County Jail.

"Detectives believe the two may be connected to more burglaries in the area and are continuing to develop information," Vachon added.

Deputies also are looking for a green, two-door Ford — likely from the late 1980s — that could be involved in some of the burglaries. Detectives said it's likely a late 80s.

Anyone with information should call the Sheriff's Office at 352-343-2101 or Crimeline at 1-800-423-TIPS.

Bogie: Thanks for post and information. House Watch is well worth the money when out of TV on vacation. It appears that all of TV should be alert and diligent when away from your home for vacation or only a couple hours. I still think that TV is a very safe community----relative to others.

gomoho 05-31-2013 02:51 PM

Could someone with math skills please figure the chance of being burglarized in TV? I think we need information about the incident and I will be my normal diligent self, but this will not affect me in any other way. I feel very safe here and one bad apple won't spoil that feeling.

gustavo 05-31-2013 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by gomoho (Post 684999)
Could someone with math skills please figure the chance of being burglarized in TV? I think we need information about the incident and I will be my normal diligent self, but this will not affect me in any other way. I feel very safe here and one bad apple won't spoil that feeling.

If there are 5 per year then 5/50000= 0.01%

janmcn 05-31-2013 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by buggyone (Post 684952)
Did you call either Community Watch or the sheriff to investigate the suspicious lady?

What crime was the suspicious lady supposedly commiting?


Where are all the concealed carry permit holders when you need them? Aren't these home burglaries and drive by shootings what they live for?

DougB 05-31-2013 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by golfer808 (Post 684962)
Not sure but someone who actually knew the couple and exactly what happened. Probably someone on Vanilla Leaf or Twisted Oak. I've already deleted it since I knew it was true. TV certainly didn't send it.

Any idea how one could acquire all the email addresses of their village?

NECHFalcon68 05-31-2013 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by DougB (Post 685015)
Any idea how one could acquire all the email addresses of their village?

thru the Neighborhood social club....

DougB 05-31-2013 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by NECHFalcon68 (Post 685021)
thru the Neighborhood social club....

Thank you

TraceyMooreRN 05-31-2013 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by gomoho (Post 684999)
Could someone with math skills please figure the chance of being burglarized in TV? I think we need information about the incident and I will be my normal diligent self, but this will not affect me in any other way. I feel very safe here and one bad apple won't spoil that feeling.

:Screen_of_Death: Really? Your chances are the same everyday. It depends if the suspect wants to target YOU, YOUR HOME, YOUR CAR or whatever. It is their choice...they get to pick who, when, where or whatever. Don't rely on numbers to calculate you as a target....

Be concerned for people who look suspicious and report to the Police. Lock your doors and windows. Don't leave purse, wallet in open view. Be careful when you have vendors (they are strangers!) in your home. Never open doors to strangers. Why is it just because you are in The Villages are you more layed back with your safety?

gomoho 05-31-2013 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by gustavo (Post 685006)
If there are 5 per year then 5/50000= 0.01%

thank you; however I see that is an example of how to do this - I don't have the numbers to plug in.:cryin2:

janmcn 05-31-2013 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by TraceyMooreRN (Post 685041)
:Screen_of_Death: Really? Your chances are the same everyday. It depends if the suspect wants to target YOU, YOUR HOME, YOUR CAR or whatever. It is their choice...they get to pick who, when, where or whatever. Don't rely on numbers to calculate you as a target....

Be concerned for people who look suspicious and report to the Police. Lock your doors and windows. Don't leave purse, wallet in open view. Be careful when you have vendors (they are strangers!) in your home. Never open doors to strangers. Why is it just because you are in The Villages are you more layed back with your safety?

Thanks for the good advice, but the victims in this case left their home in the middle of the day for one and a half hours, presumably locking all their doors and windows before they left.

Some posters on this forum would have residents call neighborhood watch or the sheriff's office everytime someone walks by their house.

justjim 05-31-2013 05:00 PM

I think some tend to overreact to an incident or two. I'm betting these people will be caught---maybe already. I see no reason to run out and buy an expensive security system over one incident in one village. Relative to other places, TV is a very safe place to live IMHO.

Harry Gilbert 05-31-2013 05:18 PM

As someone that has been on the wrong side of a break in, And spent 25 years working in Corrections let me clarify some of the facts of life.

A thief only needs 5 minutes to clean you out. One of the ways they go about it now is to go door to door as if they are selling something while looking for a empty house with no visible alarm or dog or neighbors to interfere. They'll knock on the door and if it looks good 1 kick and they are in. While they go in the partner drives off and returns in about 5 min By then if not caught your stuff is gone.

The main areas in the house they go for are bedrooms and anything visible on the way there

As for doors it doesn't matter how much you spend on fancy door or locks, Look at the frame around the door, 99% of all door frames are made of cheap pine with a fancy looking strike plate held on by (2) 3/4 inch long screws. Go ahead take a look.
Home depot and lowes sell a security plate for $15 or so that will mount where the door and dead bolt strike plates are now but attaches with (8) 4 inch long screws that actually go into house framing not just the thin door frame.

Some things they will avoid are alarm signs, dogs and people moving around.

If you have a deadbolt use it. Its not there as a decorative item.

Ever think about installing a safe inside a kitchen cabinet or laundry room?

gomoho 05-31-2013 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by TraceyMooreRN (Post 685041)
:Screen_of_Death: Really? Your chances are the same everyday. It depends if the suspect wants to target YOU, YOUR HOME, YOUR CAR or whatever. It is their choice...they get to pick who, when, where or whatever. Don't rely on numbers to calculate you as a target....

Be concerned for people who look suspicious and report to the Police. Lock your doors and windows. Don't leave purse, wallet in open view. Be careful when you have vendors (they are strangers!) in your home. Never open doors to strangers. Why is it just because you are in The Villages are you more layed back with your safety?

Obviously we view statistics in a different way. Most vendors back off from my door when they see the two beasts through the full glass storm. I usually point at them and shake my head no - that does the trick. I have actually always felt safer because I have for a very long time had a large dog and The Villages just adds to that sense of security because in my neighborhood (Hadley) we watch out for each other. I prefer not to believe the bad guys are out to get me.:icon_twisted:

TraceyMooreRN 05-31-2013 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by gomoho (Post 685079)
Obviously we view statistics in a different way. Most vendors back off from my door when they see the two beasts through the full glass storm. I usually point at them and shake my head no - that does the trick. I have actually always felt safer because I have for a very long time had a large dog and The Villages just adds to that sense of security because in my neighborhood (Hadley) we watch out for each other. I prefer not to believe the bad guys are out to get me.:icon_twisted:

I hope you never are a victim! I had dogs too when three people attempted to kick in my door. Still--it happens!

NIPAS K-9 05-31-2013 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Tweety Bird (Post 684852)
They didn't just come in, the knocked down the door! Time for jail bars!

THE DAY I HAVE TO PUT JAIL BARS ON MY HOME IN THE VILLAGES IS THE DAY I SELL................:rant-rave:

NIPAS K-9 05-31-2013 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by barefoot (Post 684916)
i do believe that barking dogs are a very good deterrent. I'm glad to hear that my 70 lb dog is finally earning her dogfood. If i answer the door with my two dogs visible, even huge burly men take a step backward. It's so easy to purchase a "fake" security sign. I'm not sure how effective they are.

Bottom line, our neighbors are our best security system ever. I hope we all continue to watch over each other.

32 years of law enforcement, your best deterent is a dog. Interviewed thousands of burgulars. They all say they wont mess with a house with a dog........... Alarms are easy to defeat...... Dont waste your money...................

graciegirl 05-31-2013 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by gomoho (Post 685079)
Obviously we view statistics in a different way. Most vendors back off from my door when they see the two beasts through the full glass storm. I usually point at them and shake my head no - that does the trick. I have actually always felt safer because I have for a very long time had a large dog and The Villages just adds to that sense of security because in my neighborhood (Hadley) we watch out for each other. I prefer not to believe the bad guys are out to get me.:icon_twisted:

You have been here for several years as I have. When people live here for awhile they see how safe this place is. People bring with them their experiences from different places and although no place is completely safe this is one of the safer areas to live.

I completely agree with you but if someone wants to believe otherwise, they will. BUT when they live here as long as we have, they may see that breakins aren't a common everyday occurrence, and that we are mostly retired people and we are great observers and we look out for each other. Some call us busybodies, but I consider that a good thing. On my street in Hadley and my street now, there was too much activity for someone to just kick in a door and not be seen by someone. That doesn't mean it can't happen but it hasn't happened to anyone I know and by now I know a lot of folks here.

Continue with your positive attitude, Gohomo and remain aware always of your surroundings, as we all do and should.

It is lovely to be in a place where hardly no one works. And we are all aware of and know our neighbors and before someone says don't be lulled into a false sense of security, I will say, I wasn't born yesterday. Man...I wasn't born YESTERDAY.

asianthree 05-31-2013 09:57 PM

our puppy would have licked them to death:doggie:

Bogie Shooter 06-01-2013 08:14 AM

Article in today's Daily Sun, looking for the perps.

buggyone 06-01-2013 08:40 AM

Obviously, the burglars saw the person leaving the house and figured they had some time to do their work. I wonder if there was a deadbolt lock on the door. A deadbolt is able to deter some break-ins.

Is Vanilla Leaf Drive a fully built street of houses or still under some construction?

rubicon 06-01-2013 12:16 PM

In a previous post I explained that some break-ins are achieved with the use of a jack to expand the door james sufficient to bypass the deadbolt and let the door swing free. Or for the less sophicated bust the jam, cut the hinges,pick the lock.....you ain't gonna stop a determined thief

buggyone 06-01-2013 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by rubicon (Post 685370)
In a previous post I explained that some break-ins are achieved with the use of a jack to expand the door james sufficient to bypass the deadbolt and let the door swing free. Or for the less sophicated bust the jam, cut the hinges,pick the lock.....you ain't gonna stop a determined thief

Remember though, this was the front door and at 11:30 a.m. I would think that someone using a jack in the door would have been noticed by neighbors or passerbys, wouldn't you?

It obviously happened and no one noticed. Strange.

applesoffh 06-01-2013 02:34 PM

read the artice in today's SUN - Section C, Page 6. This should have been on the first page of Friday's edition. Certainly, if current (East Coast) sports scores can be in the paper in a timely fashion, so can this! Am I wrong in my thinking?

graciegirl 06-01-2013 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by applesoffh (Post 685421)
read the artice in today's SUN - Section C, Page 6. This should have been on the first page of Friday's edition. Certainly, if current (East Coast) sports scores can be in the paper in a timely fashion, so can this! Am I wrong in my thinking?

It depends what kind of journalism you expect.It was a day later but accurate. In Orlando break ins are so common as to not even make the paper. Here it stated what happened and they don't sensationalize which my granddaughter tells me is good journalism. Just the facts, maam.

Bogie Shooter 06-01-2013 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by applesoffh (Post 685421)
read the artice in today's SUN - Section C, Page 6. This should have been on the first page of Friday's edition. Certainly, if current (East Coast) sports scores can be in the paper in a timely fashion, so can this! Am I wrong in my thinking?

Probably.

rawfoodrunner3 06-01-2013 03:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NIPAS K-9 (Post 685103)
32 years of law enforcement, your best deterent is a dog. Interviewed thousands of burgulars. They all say they wont mess with a house with a dog........... Alarms are easy to defeat...... Dont waste your money...................

Unless they are a career criminal and bring a live lobster for the dog to play with. This happened to my brother and sister-in-law (New Jersey).

Ellen

gomoho 06-01-2013 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by rawfoodrunner3 (Post 685452)
Unless they are a career criminal and bring a live lobster for the dog to play with. This happened to my brother and sister-in-law (New Jersey).

Ellen

WOW - that's crazy!!!

OpusX1 06-01-2013 05:31 PM

Many people and probably all B & E criminals know that standard locks can easily be opened with a blank key and a small hammer with no damage to the door. It is very easy and silent.
Buy a better lock and install long screws that are about 2 or 3 inches long so that they go through the door frame and into the house frame or better yet have the door installed so that it opens out, that way you have to pretty much destroy the door to get in.

jmm2760jmm 06-02-2013 10:40 AM

Good reason NOT to pay contractors or anyone in "cash". All someone needs to hear in a bar some evening is how "I got paid in all cash, gosh those guys are loaded" to bring attention to your address as a good place to rob. Pay with a check including tip (even though it may cost you a few extra dollars) and don't flash around a wad of cash. Not saying this was the case with this break-in but just common sense when dealing with people you really don't know personally. You don't want to give the impression you have a lot of cash in the house.

CFrance 06-02-2013 11:11 AM

Why is it that house doors open in and not out? Would that really be safer?

upstate 06-02-2013 11:35 AM

The inward opening has the hinges on the inside not out, the outward opening has the hinges exposed. Look in your home, all doors going into rooms are inward while closets, doors to the exterior and basement are outward opening. Exposed hinged doors can be removed to gain entry and outward doors can also be forced without destroying the door.

davecz1 06-02-2013 11:42 AM

In South Florida it is mandatory to have outer opening doors. Regulations put in place after Andrew hit in early 90's.

OpusX1 06-02-2013 07:30 PM

You can have an outward opening door with the hinges on the inside. All commercial doors are required by code to open out and the hinges are inside. Your kitchen cabinets open out with hinges on the inside. With the open out door it is almost impossible to kick open the door from the outside and it is easier to reinforce the door frame with the outward opening door.

jblum315 06-02-2013 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by davecz1 (Post 685771)
In South Florida it is mandatory to have outer opening doors. Regulations put in place after Andrew hit in early 90's.

My front door opens inward.

DougB 06-02-2013 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by jblum315 (Post 686018)
My front door opens inward.

We aren't in South Florida.

lovsthosebigdogs 06-02-2013 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by CFrance (Post 685756)
Why is it that house doors open in and not out? Would that really be safer?

But if your front door opens outward and you open it a crack to see who is there someone could pull it out of your hands and open it up and you would have a harder time stopping them from getting it away from you and coming inside. You couldn't shut it against them as easily. Isn't thata true or am I missing something here?

CFrance 06-02-2013 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by lovsthosebigdogs (Post 686032)
But if your front door opens outward and you open it a crack to see who is there someone could pull it out of your hands and open it up and you would have a harder time stopping them from getting it away from you and coming inside. You couldn't shut it against them as easily. Isn't thata true or am I missing something here?

I agree with you. From the homeowner's position, it would be easier to push a door closed from the inside than pull it closed. You can throw all your weight at the door.


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