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DrMack 03-22-2024 06:53 AM

Unbelievable
 
I didn’t think I would get beat up so badly by an obvious deviation of our Villages norm. You don’t normally expect to see a group of teenage to early 20 males who looked like they were up to no good sporting their plaid boxers past their mid drift trolling for the easy score at Brownwood Square. I know where our child attended high school the look was banned. Maybe it is acceptable to most, just revolting to me. It’s the gang standard in some areas of the country, just not here I guess.

ROCKETMAN 03-22-2024 06:54 AM

Him/Her
 
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Originally Posted by dhdallas (Post 2314237)
Wait until you get a look at that skinny freakazoid guy who wears a black dress & dances in front of everyone. Sick!

That person you refer to was arrested last year in Spanish springs town square. Without going into detail to much showing. I’ll take droopy jeans anytime.:rant-rave:

LeRoySmith 03-22-2024 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Sandy and Ed (Post 2314263)
Interesting response. Let’s see, “a tribe”? “tramps”? “whore?” Wow! How many ways can you spell ?? Bless your heart and opinion. And to think a “senior member” after only 6 months and ready to judge snowbirds after only 2 months.

Wow, I guess we now know who one of those fine upstanding ladies was. :yuck:

I love your enthusiasm but I'm anything but predigested against women, in fact my favorite people are women (or girls). I've married and spent my life with one, have 3 daughters and my dear old mom is a woman (unlike the women of today all the women in my life have girlie parts installed by the maker, not a Dr. doing no harm). The ones I dislike are the disgusting ones as mentioned above and I will call it how I see it every time. I'm truly sorry if I hurt your feelings, unless you carry on like those fine ladies were at the square and in that case my post had the exact desired affect.

Joe C. 03-22-2024 07:24 AM

To the OP:
If you didn't like what you were looking at, why didn't you approach them and ask them to hike their pants up?
Then again, maybe they heard the old rumor of the high incidence of std's in the villages and were just getting ready for a piece of the action!

NJRICHARD 03-22-2024 07:29 AM

It starts with just a few, they bring their friends, and then there are more outsiders than villagers. Then, when women go dancing and leave their pocketbooks by their chairs and they are gone, a few golf clubs go missing, etc etc. It happens very fast. So, all you 'liberal' smart-alecks with their comments, you will be the first to yell.

Chamo 03-22-2024 07:29 AM

Call the fashion police.
Are you kidding me with this post.
Stay indoors you won’t see this anymore. SMFH

DrMack 03-22-2024 07:41 AM

Agree
 
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Originally Posted by NJRICHARD (Post 2314315)
It starts with just a few, they bring their friends, and then there are more outsiders than villagers. Then, when women go dancing and leave their pocketbooks by their chairs and they are gone, a few golf clubs go missing, etc etc. It happens very fast. So, all you 'liberal' smart-alecks with their comments, you will be the first to yell.

Yes after reading all the other posts I should have kept my question to myself. You are right though. This particular area and square look prime for issues in the future. Maybe I should have just called Community Watch and let it just be filed for future references.

Justputt 03-22-2024 07:43 AM

If this OP makes it into the local papers, I expect a bunch of young people to show up is similar "fashion" to troll those that think like the OP! You may just start something you don't want! It would be funny. I like young people being around, and it gives them a chance to hear real music too :)

airstreamingypsy 03-22-2024 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Ele201 (Post 2314256)
I googled the “whitetail look” as well, never heard of it! What came up were images of “deer hunting camo clothing,” for sale by various companies. So, I’m guessing the OP might be referring to camo, or camouflage style clothing.

I took whitetail look to mean their jockeys were showing about their droopy pants.

coconutmama 03-22-2024 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by DrMack (Post 2314296)
I didn’t think I would get beat up so badly by an obvious deviation of our Villages norm. You don’t normally expect to see a group of teenage to early 20 males who looked like they were up to no good sporting their plaid boxers past their mid drift trolling for the easy score at Brownwood Square. I know where our child attended high school the look was banned. Maybe it is acceptable to most, just revolting to me. It’s the gang standard in some areas of the country, just not here I guess.

Sometimes to post on this site one needs to be thick skinned. Remember, “Friendliest Home Town” is pretty much just a marketing slogan.

Yes the dress code here has pretty much gone by the wayside. I remember when no one would think of wearing a t-shirt to a “country club” restaurant. LOL

We usually leave the squares early when we go. The view there can be entertaining but we expect it to get more so as the area continues to get overbuilt.

Plmailman 03-22-2024 07:50 AM

You can't stop the way people dress. It's called living in a free country.

Wondering 03-22-2024 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2314016)
Start with your local representatives to the US Congress. A Constitutional Amendment limiting that kind of freedom would have to start there.

I feel old people dancing suggestively is inappropriate, who do I call to address this?

I feel ignorant comments on a forum are inappropriate, who do I call to address this?

I feel the smell of burning animal flesh coming from the restaurants around the square is inappropriate, who do I call to address this?

Amen!

DrMack 03-22-2024 08:27 AM

More than a code
 
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Originally Posted by coconutmama (Post 2314326)
Sometimes to post on this site one needs to be thick skinned. Remember, “Friendliest Home Town” is pretty much just a marketing slogan.

Yes the dress code here has pretty much gone by the wayside. I remember when no one would think of wearing a t-shirt to a “country club” restaurant. LOL

We usually leave the squares early when we go. The view there can be entertaining but we expect it to get more so as the area continues to get overbuilt.

Intuition is the name we use for for the filter that assembles the conscious and unconscious inputs for survival. Like sheep, the people that ignore it are already finished. There was something wrong besides fashion that night.

The Villages will whistle a different tune when Wildwood police are patrolling or even responding in their town square in the middle of shows. Homeowners won’t like the rapid depreciation of values in the area either.

Again, wait till the guys in blue start making regular prime time visits.

ShaunS 03-22-2024 08:28 AM

You’ve got to be kidding me
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DrMack (Post 2314011)
We were at Brownwood last night and ran across some 4 somewhat sketchy individuals traveling in a group. They were sporting the whitetail look that I feel is inappropriate. The pants were drooping down and underwear was showing. Is there a dress code that can be enforced? The couple that was with us said they came from the new apartment complex. Who do we call to address this?

Wow. Now you want to tell people how to dress? Stay home.

JRcorvette 03-22-2024 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by DrMack (Post 2314011)
We were at Brownwood last night and ran across some 4 somewhat sketchy individuals traveling in a group. They were sporting the whitetail look that I feel is inappropriate. The pants were drooping down and underwear was showing. Is there a dress code that can be enforced? The couple that was with us said they came from the new apartment complex. Who do we call to address this?

With the proliferation of apartments in the area it is only going to get a lot worse!!!

OrangeBlossomBaby 03-22-2024 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by NJRICHARD (Post 2314315)
It starts with just a few, they bring their friends, and then there are more outsiders than villagers. Then, when women go dancing and leave their pocketbooks by their chairs and they are gone, a few golf clubs go missing, etc etc. It happens very fast. So, all you 'liberal' smart-alecks with their comments, you will be the first to yell.

The squares are, and have always been, open to the public.

You have the right to be offended by that. There are steps you can take in protest. The most obvious choice is - don't go to the squares. Boycott them. I recommend you boycott them when they're having major events like the vintage car shows, fairs and festivals. In fact, I recommend EVERYONE who has a problem with the public attending public events in public places, to boycott those public places.

That'll mean more room for normal people to enjoy a day or evening at an event.

golfing eagles 03-22-2024 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2314373)
The squares are, and have always been, open to the public.

You have the right to be offended by that. There are steps you can take in protest. The most obvious choice is - don't go to the squares. Boycott them. I recommend you boycott them when they're having major events like the vintage car shows, fairs and festivals. In fact, I recommend EVERYONE who has a problem with the public attending public events in public places, to boycott those public places.

That'll mean more room for normal people to enjoy a day or evening at an event.

That would be the antithesis of "Nobody goes to the squares anymore, they're too crowded" :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

ljarnold 03-22-2024 09:06 AM

They flew the coop.

Vermilion Villager 03-22-2024 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by LeRoySmith (Post 2314209)
My first taste of the snow bird invasion was a tribe of middle to late 60s NY/NJ ladies at Brownwood one evening in early December. They were dressed like tramps, loud and mouthy and had on enough dimestore perfume for the biggest whore house in Texas. They were a specticle to say the least.

I was more than a little shocked and entertained. I thought it was a gag for the first several minute then I realized they were serious.

You should consider yourself lucky… I've been to places where you had to pay extra for that!!!:pepper2::1rotfl::1rotfl:

LonnyP 03-22-2024 09:07 AM

Hilarious. Just Wow!

simplesimonsaid 03-22-2024 09:14 AM

Can't wait for the response if similarly dressed start wandering through neighborhoods. Could be a different tune

golfing eagles 03-22-2024 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by simplesimonsaid (Post 2314388)
Can't wait for the response if similarly dressed start wandering through neighborhoods. Could be a different tune

Your wait was over a while ago. Read posts # 9,38, and 42.

Laker14 03-22-2024 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by DrMack (Post 2314296)
I didn’t think I would get beat up so badly by an obvious deviation of our Villages norm. You don’t normally expect to see a group of teenage to early 20 males who looked like they were up to no good sporting their plaid boxers past their mid drift trolling for the easy score at Brownwood Square. I know where our child attended high school the look was banned. Maybe it is acceptable to most, just revolting to me. It’s the gang standard in some areas of the country, just not here I guess.

You made some assumptions and assumed there would be no pushback.
You assume that because someone wears their clothing a certain way, they are "up to no good".

You didn't report what in their behavior lead you the conclusion they were "up to no good". From your OP we have to conclude that your assessment was based strictly on what they were wearing. If this same group of young people were behaving in exactly the same way, but were wearing the latest Havana CC Pro Shop clothing, would you have felt more comfortable with their presence?

Before I retired I lived a block from the local high school, where once upon a time my kids attended, and even decades before that my wife attended. It's in a small town where students of widely varying ethnicities and degrees of wealth attend. Rich doctor's kids, along with kids of prisoners of the local prison.

One day a group of tough looking kids, wearing their pants down below the boxer line were walking down my street. One of them looked at me and insolently dropped his candy bar wrapper on the sidewalk, staring at me, waiting for me to say or do something. Right behind him another kid dressed exactly the same way picked it up off the ground and admonished the litterbug for doing it. So, whatever judgements I was going to make about the first kid based on dress had to be immediately reversed.

So these young people who made you feel uncomfortable may have been troublemakers, or they may just have been young people dressing to a fashion. Something we all did when we were young people.

OrangeBlossomBaby 03-22-2024 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by simplesimonsaid (Post 2314388)
Can't wait for the response if similarly dressed start wandering through neighborhoods. Could be a different tune

There's a guy with dreadlocks who walks down Paradise, and then over the golf cart bridge. He works at one of the restaurants, and doesn't own a car, and lives closer to Walmart. He also plays the steel drum. Sweet kid, I've picked him up in the golf cart when I've seen him on his way wherever I'm going, and given him a ride at least closer to where I found him.

There's another guy who lives in the neighborhood, he's hard-core into goth (I know - SO last Monday but there's no accounting for taste). Hair dyed jet black, pasty white skin, multiple piercings and inks, black kohl eyeliner, wears all black clothes with studded bracelets, brooding expression, the whole nine yards. I've never experienced a moment's trouble from him. Not sure which house he lives in, somewhere up Paradise. I see him walking around somewhat often. He's always going in the opposite direction from me, otherwise I'd offer him a ride too.

There are a couple of home health aids who walk to the homes, and take a bus from somewhere on 441. Same thing as the goth guy - if I ever saw one walking in the same direction I was heading, I'd offer to give them a ride at least to the Boone Gate (if they're heading home) or to the house they're working at (they work in houses either on the same street as me, or the street behind mind).

Some of us have embraced the "Friendliest Town" mentality and try to emulate the concept. Others would prefer to live in fear of "other." It's their prerogative. I spend most of my day feeling joyful about my own existence, despite the negativity and toxicity of others.

Normal 03-22-2024 09:26 AM

Next
 
Next thing you know they will be banning G-Strings in the town squares.

Seriously, public school bans are totally different than town squares. I’ll bet you would have been against leather jackets when biker gangs had their surge.

simplesimonsaid 03-22-2024 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2314396)
Your wait was over a while ago. Read posts # 9,38, and 42.

Yep. did read them. Not enough posters around at that time of night though.Daytime and early evening will get folks fired up.

golfing eagles 03-22-2024 09:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laker14 (Post 2314398)
You made some assumptions and assumed there would be no pushback.
You assume that because someone wears their clothing a certain way, they are "up to no good".

You didn't report what in their behavior lead you the conclusion they were "up to no good". From your OP we have to conclude that your assessment was based strictly on what they were wearing. If this same group of young people were behaving in exactly the same way, but were wearing the latest Havana CC Pro Shop clothing, would you have felt more comfortable with their presence?

Before I retired I lived a block from the local high school, where once upon a time my kids attended, and even decades before that my wife attended. It's in a small town where students of widely varying ethnicities and degrees of wealth attend. Rich doctor's kids, along with kids of prisoners of the local prison.

One day a group of tough looking kids, wearing their pants down below the boxer line were walking down my street. One of them looked at me and insolently dropped his candy bar wrapper on the sidewalk, staring at me, waiting for me to say or do something. Right behind him another kid dressed exactly the same way picked it up off the ground and admonished the litterbug for doing it. So, whatever judgements I was going to make about the first kid based on dress had to be immediately reversed.

So these young people who made you feel uncomfortable may have been troublemakers, or they may just have been young people dressing to a fashion. Something we all did when we were young people.

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2314399)
There's a guy with dreadlocks who walks down Paradise, and then over the golf cart bridge. He works at one of the restaurants, and doesn't own a car, and lives closer to Walmart. He also plays the steel drum. Sweet kid, I've picked him up in the golf cart when I've seen him on his way wherever I'm going, and given him a ride at least closer to where I found him.

There's another guy who lives in the neighborhood, he's hard-core into goth (I know - SO last Monday but there's no accounting for taste). Hair dyed jet black, pasty white skin, multiple piercings and inks, black kohl eyeliner, wears all black clothes with studded bracelets, brooding expression, the whole nine yards. I've never experienced a moment's trouble from him. Not sure which house he lives in, somewhere up Paradise. I see him walking around somewhat often. He's always going in the opposite direction from me, otherwise I'd offer him a ride too.

There are a couple of home health aids who walk to the homes, and take a bus from somewhere on 441. Same thing as the goth guy - if I ever saw one walking in the same direction I was heading, I'd offer to give them a ride at least to the Boone Gate (if they're heading home) or to the house they're working at (they work in houses either on the same street as me, or the street behind mind).

Some of us have embraced the "Friendliest Town" mentality and try to emulate the concept. Others would prefer to live in fear of "other." It's their prerogative. I spend most of my day feeling joyful about my own existence, despite the negativity and toxicity of others.

Both posts are very "enlightened". Now, back to the real world-----any legitimate explanation of what the two people in hoodies caught on camera in a residential neighborhood were doing checking out cars for whether they were locked at 4AM were doing? Were they "home health aides" on the night shift? Were they looking for a venue to play a steel drum? Even the 4 described by the OP had every right to be there, but.....why? again, by description, I doubt they were interested in listening to oldies, shopping at Tommy Bahamas or eating at Prima. Better yet, why is it that some people are naive enough to think that people who are clearly out of place have nothing but benign motives for being there?

pablo cruze 03-22-2024 09:39 AM

Rally round the family
 
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Originally Posted by DrMack (Post 2314011)
We were at Brownwood last night and ran across some 4 somewhat sketchy individuals traveling in a group. They were sporting the whitetail look that I feel is inappropriate. The pants were drooping down and underwear was showing. Is there a dress code that can be enforced? The couple that was with us said they came from the new apartment complex. Who do we call to address this?

With a pocket full of shells.

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Philipd411 03-22-2024 09:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrMack (Post 2314011)
We were at Brownwood last night and ran across some 4 somewhat sketchy individuals traveling in a group. They were sporting the whitetail look that I feel is inappropriate. The pants were drooping down and underwear was showing. Is there a dress code that can be enforced? The couple that was with us said they came from the new apartment complex. Who do we call to address this?

Nothing can be done.

BobnBev 03-22-2024 09:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRcorvette (Post 2314370)
With the proliferation of apartments in the area it is only going to get a lot worse!!!

If you build it they will come--Oh, wait, they're already here. Is this a black and white issue?

Bogie Shooter 03-22-2024 09:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BobnBev (Post 2314410)
If you build it they will come--Oh, wait, they're already here. Is this a black and white issue?

Plenty of code words give it away.

Like “they”.

Laker14 03-22-2024 09:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2314405)
Both posts are very "enlightened". Now, back to the real world-----any legitimate explanation of what the two people in hoodies caught on camera in a residential neighborhood were doing checking out cars for whether they were locked at 4AM were doing? Were they "home health aides" on the night shift? Were they looking for a venue to play a steel drum? Even the 4 described by the OP had every right to be there, but.....why? again, by description, I doubt they were interested in listening to oldies, shopping at Tommy Bahamas or eating at Prima. Better yet, why is it that some people are naive enough to think that people who are clearly out of place have nothing but benign motives for being there?

I see a fundamental difference between walking around a public square during a concert, and walking around a residential street at 4AM peering into parked cars, regardless of what is being worn.
Do you not?

Bay Kid 03-22-2024 10:02 AM

America's future, sad.

golfing eagles 03-22-2024 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Laker14 (Post 2314419)
I see a fundamental difference between walking around a public square during a concert, and walking around a residential street at 4AM peering into parked cars, regardless of what is being worn.
Do you not?

I do. Which is why I posed my original question of whether or not they could be the same people.

But even in the square, where they have every right to be, I question what the attraction would be for these young people. The oldies music? The high-priced restaurants? The specialty boutiques? In general, when a fox is in the henhouse he's not there sightseeing.

Laker14 03-22-2024 10:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bay Kid (Post 2314420)
America's future, sad.

I remember my parents' generation saying that when we were trying to grow our hair past our ears and eyebrows, wearing tight bell-bottoms, and listening to the same music we now hear on WVLG, and dance to with our pot bellies and golf shirts at the squares.

I think we have bigger problems than the clothing that teenagers wear on a Friday night.

Laker14 03-22-2024 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2314424)
I do. Which is why I posed my original question of whether or not they could be the same people.

But even in the square, where they have every right to be, I question what the attraction would be for these young people. The oldies music? The high-priced restaurants? The specialty boutiques? In general, when a fox is in the henhouse he's not there sightseeing.

I don't go to Brownwood Square very often, in fact I don't go to any of the squares very often, but when we do we prefer LSL. I have been there on a weekend night when there were lots of young people out and about.
To answer your question of why, perhaps we need to know more about what the options are for them.
The assumption has been made, based upon how these young people were dressed, that they were from Wildwood, and according to those making that assumption, Wildwood is rife with crime, and these young people were bringing this criminal element and mentality to Brownwood Square.
However, maybe it's different from that. Maybe, if Wildwood is in fact such a horrific place, Brownwood is a safe place, where young people, with no mayhem on their minds, can have a safe night, enjoy a wholesome atmosphere, and not be bothered by the rough characters that hang out in Wildwood.
We make assumptions based upon very superficial things. They could be correct, they could be misplaced, but they are assumptions, and we all remember what happens when we assume, right?

Shipping up to Boston 03-22-2024 10:20 AM

Maybe Brownwood Square could reinstitute the white smokers jackets, silk ascot and of course the ever aesthetically pleasing corn cob pipe!


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