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Gulfcoast 12-15-2020 11:11 AM

I am not familiar with the senior Independent Living and AL apartments in TV but there are senior living communities that offer assistance with moves. Buffalo Crossing mentions Senior Move Managers (SMMs) on their website. Again, I am not familiar with the senior living facilities in TV, I have no idea how much move assistance would cost but it might be something worth looking into.

EdFNJ 12-15-2020 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1873738)
Doxxing:

The original letter, which was published on another website, was someone publishing someone else's identifying information (their name, address, marital status, the fact that they can't afford their home). The original post on THIS website (talk of the villages) took that personally identifying information that had been published somewhere else, and made absolutely SURE that it continued to be published, by spreading the information.

That, by definition, is doxxing. The "malicious intent" is "typically" not "always." Definitions are pretty precise. When a definition includes "typically" it's because whatever follows the word is not universally true.

And yes Gracie - clicking a few clicks IS absolutely positively doxxing, when you post (thereby publishing) the results of those clicks. You're one of the people who do it on a regular basis, so of course you won't recognize it for what it is.

Usually I agree with your posts but on this I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. :D That being said, "DOXING" on 99.9% of internet forums IS MEANT to be malicious. This thread was not. The "URBAN DICTIONARY" pretty much has it right: Urban Dictionary: doxxing as it started on the internet or Wikipedia Doxing - Wikipedia Yea, there are exceptions of course but (IMO) this thread isn't close to being doxing.

Chitown 12-15-2020 12:02 PM

I would be willing to donate a fairly large sum of money to help this woman but I would first need to be guaranteed that I can visit the home and see for myself and talk to the woman before I would give her money.

tvbound 12-15-2020 12:18 PM

We had a neighbor who lost her husband of 50+ years and come to find out, he had taken care of all of their financial and day-to-day issues. She asked my wife to help her and come to find out, the husband did most of the bill paying and banking online, but hadn't even provided his computer challenged wife with any of the passwords. It was a complete mess. My wife spent days helping her understand how to do everything from paying utility bills (reverted to snail mail), to how to write a check correctly, as she had always just used a credit card and had no clue as to what happened after that. Although it's hard to know in this case, it could be possible that the lady in the OP might be in a similar situation (although probably not after rereading the first post, given that her husband passed away quite a while ago) and just doesn't know how, or what, she needed to do to keep out of this tough situation. While I certainly have empathy for this lady, surely there has to be a trusted relative or local group that could sit down with her to try and figure out all of her options and let her choose the one(s) that she wants to take? Not to try and sound cold or uncaring, but I never donate to these types of go-fund-me causes unless I know the person and their situation very well. Especially since I've seen the children and grandchildren of friends, setting up these fund me causes so that they could go on a vacation.

Gulfcoast 12-15-2020 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by tvbound (Post 1873807)
We had a neighbor who lost her husband of 50+ years and come to find out, he had taken care of all of their financial and day-to-day issues. She asked my wife to help her and come to find out, the husband did most of the bill paying and banking online, but hadn't even provided his computer challenged wife with any of the passwords. It was a complete mess. My wife spent days helping her understand how to do everything from paying utility bills (reverted to snail mail), to how to write a check correctly, as she had always just used a credit card and had no clue as to what happened after that. Although it's hard to know in this case, it could be possible that the lady in the OP might be in a similar situation (although probably not after rereading the first post, given that her husband passed away quite a while ago) and just doesn't know how, or what, she needed to do to keep out of this tough situation. While I certainly have empathy for this lady, surely there has to be a trusted relative or local group that could sit down with her to try and figure out all of her options and let her choose the one(s) that she wants to take? Not to try and sound cold or uncaring, but I never donate to these types of go-fund-me causes unless I know the person and their situation very well. Especially since I've seen the children and grandchildren of friends, setting up these fund me causes so that they could go on a vacation.

These are really good points. But, like you said, if this had been going on for 8 months that would be one thing but 8 YEARS - yikes. This situation didn't happen all of a sudden. She has somehow managed to keep all of the balls in the air enough to stay in the house so she must have some sense of what she can/can not afford to do.

It really does sound as though she's simply become overwhelmed by the maintenance of the home. When she and her husband moved into the house it was brand new, the plants in the yard were small and easy to manage and her husband was there to help with it all. Now, her husband has been gone for 8 years, there are more maintenance/repair issues to deal with and she likely has been living on a smaller income since his death. On the bright side, her home has appreciated nicely which should, hopefully, give her some options going forward.

Villageswimmer 12-15-2020 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1873738)
Doxxing:

The original letter, which was published on another website, was someone publishing someone else's identifying information (their name, address, marital status, the fact that they can't afford their home). The original post on THIS website (talk of the villages) took that personally identifying information that had been published somewhere else, and made absolutely SURE that it continued to be published, by spreading the information.

That, by definition, is doxxing. The "malicious intent" is "typically" not "always." Definitions are pretty precise. When a definition includes "typically" it's because whatever follows the word is not universally true.

And yes Gracie - clicking a few clicks IS absolutely positively doxxing, when you post (thereby publishing) the results of those clicks. You're one of the people who do it on a regular basis, so of course you won't recognize it for what it is.


Just my opinion, but the egregious invasion of privacy, completely unfounded speculation about her personal/financial situation, and gossip generated by post after post IS malicious.

DON10E 12-15-2020 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by kimaquintana@aol.com (Post 1873188)
Is anyone in touch with this woman? I would be happy to meet with her and potentially purchase the house and let her stay there and pay monthly rent. OR I would be willing to see what she is in need of and help her get workers scheduled and put up funds to get the work done. How do I get in touch with her? Kim Quintana 978-476-1342

That would be great!

The home of Ingrid Rickard at 16558 SE 77th Northridge Court in the Village of Calumet Grove was the subject of a public hearing Friday before the Community Development District 4 Board of Supervisors.

That was from a news story in one of the outlets. Thank you!

Please keep me posted on your progress/outcome!

DON10E 12-15-2020 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Dana1963 (Post 1873250)
Life is full of mistakes and hardships we can't save everyone. Currently according to Zillow, there are 16 foreclosures in The Villages area who do you want to save next.

Not being able to save all is not a reason to save none.

Steve&Nancy 12-15-2020 04:00 PM

She may qualify for a "reverse mortgage" up to 50% of the equity she has in the property. This money is tax free, and is repaid from her estate when she's gone. There may not be anything to leave the kids, but she could be comfortable while she can.

Velvet 12-15-2020 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by DON10E (Post 1873882)
Not being able to save all is not a reason to save none.

You are right, it is appreciated that this incident is brought to our notice. My personal response is that I like to evaluate which charities I help. And it is good to know who needs help directly. Thank you.

Spalumbos62 12-15-2020 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1873533)
I am equally as appalled by people asking for help or financial aid for their causes and presenting a story for a "Go Fund Me.".

I think that many Go fund me's are private money makers for the person reporting a sad situation about another. There is nothing wrong for people checking information when folks are asking for money. If this person is in dire straits and allowing her nice home to fall into serious failure, it is not a simple, give her money or organize a committee. I am tired of hearing of those kinds of solutions and tired of others thinking that people want pity or a handout. That is why I said that she must have something amiss that is not allowing her to see the reality of her situation. I imagine her neighbors know and well may have tried to help.

I agree that it can't be solved here but as many others have said it appears her home is worth enough to sell and to find a less expensive place to live. To me that is a simple solution, that most people would choose to do.

There is nothing creepy about doing a few clicks to see just what is going on.

GRACIE..I agree with most if what you just said...I do think "go fund me" is someone taking advantage....BUT doing a few clicks to see what is go I need on....that is straight up nosiness.....Gladys Kravitz.
Please don't tell me you gave binoculars by your front window too. Js

DON10E 12-15-2020 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Ghancock (Post 1873653)
Can I get her phone no. To tell her I am trying to line up someone now who did ours and was reasonable. Or tell her Antonio Mendez says he can stop by tomorrow and give an estimate. And he would do the work on the weekend. This is Gayle Hancock 352-801-3832

All I have is the article in the News. I don't know her personally. I'd give you the link to the article but I guess that's blocked here.

DON10E 12-15-2020 04:21 PM

Thank you all for some really good ideas. The comments here made it clear to me that Go Fund Me is probably not the right answer. Sometimes the right answer starts with the wrong answer. I think some of the folks here have volunteered to contact her and offer advice/help. I hope they'll keep us posted on their progress.

BTW, I don't know the woman personally and this isn't a scam. I was just bothered by the situation I read about and wanted to help. I'm grateful for the obvious compassion shown by so many. I'm proud to live in a community with so much to offer each other.

Merry Christmas!

retiredguy123 12-15-2020 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by DON10E (Post 1873880)
That would be great!

The home of Ingrid Rickard at 16558 SE 77th Northridge Court in the Village of Calumet Grove was the subject of a public hearing Friday before the Community Development District 4 Board of Supervisors.

That was from a news story in one of the outlets. Thank you!

Please keep me posted on your progress/outcome!

You may think it is great to have someone come to the person's house to negotiate a sales price and lease agreement, but I think it is a bad idea. If she wants to sell the house, the way to do it is to get a market analysis, hire a real estate agent, and list it for sale to the public.

Spalumbos62 12-15-2020 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by kimaquintana@aol.com (Post 1873722)
So you would not recommend someone offering to pay for her lanai to be fixed without asking the woman to pay it back? There are still good people in the world who have a sincere motivation to help someone in distress. It's clear that I will keep my opinion to myself and will continue to help people whenever I can and however I can. It was an offer to help.

Well...you did come on a little strong saying you could buy her out and then rent back.
Honestly, if this was my grandmother and she was getting this offer from you, I would tell her to run for the hills .
But, truth be told, the thread should not have ever even started....... the only way this became anyone's business is because of the town posting the situation and now people are deciding what she should be getting monthly from the army.... planning on buying her house and making her a tennant, fixing her birdcage....back off folks...let her decide.
I bet its been no stop door traffic since this post....the poor thing.

retiredguy123 12-15-2020 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Spalumbos62 (Post 1873895)
Well...you did come on a little strong saying you could buy her out and then rent back.
Honestly, if this was my grandmother and she was getting this offer from you, I would tell her to run for the hills .
But, truth be told, the thread should not have ever even started....... the only way this became anyone's business is because of the town posting the situation and now people are deciding what she should be getting monthly from the army.... planning on buying her house and making her a tennant, fixing her birdcage....back off folks...let her decide.
I bet its been no stop door traffic since this post....the poor thing.

I agree. Any investor would buy the house and lease it back for the right price. But, who is going to negotiate on her behalf?

Alaska Butch 12-15-2020 04:55 PM

She gets at most 1/2 her husbands retirement plus whatever social security. Probably over $5000 a month total I am guessing. The couple should have planned better. This story played out with my Mom. Over spending to the tune of $3000 a month. Reality check. You will run out of money in five years Mom. Got her to back off on her gratiitous spending and live within her means. Her principle is not touched now. i suggest this lady needs to sit down with a financial counselor.

vintageogauge 12-15-2020 05:12 PM

The woman does have a daughter, don't know how close they are but that should be the first person to help her get straightened out. Maybe she doesn't visit her here and doesn't know the situation.

Topspinmo 12-15-2020 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by DON10E (Post 1873121)
You may be right, but her husband’s pension may have ended at his death. Not enough info.

Depends if he had surviver benefits setup Nd of course when he retired? I would think full bird colonel would planned for that? People not going keep her in life style she’s use to, she has to down size it she can’t afford to live there. After 8 years she probably exhausted all good neighbor labor?

macawlaw 12-15-2020 09:32 PM

First, has anyone contacted the local counsel on aging? I don't know what is available near TV, but I have dealt with several in Ohio. They should have a representative who can come in, assess the situation, and hook the troubled lady up with the appropriate services. I have always found the counsel on aging to be very helpful. Around here they have services to help clean and repair homes that are provided on a sliding scale. Something like this could be of considerable help to her. Even if they don't come to the house, they should have a list of trusted, reasonable professionals for her to use.

Second, is there any evidence of any type of elder abuse by relatives, etc? If so, the county department of human services can step in and help out.

Since we are not yet retired, we are in and out. We will be there Dec 19-Jan 2. I'll volunteer my two kids (young, flexible, and strong) and come myself if there's a work day at her home to help out while we are at TV.

vintageogauge 12-15-2020 10:01 PM

Why not just have someone contact her daughter and see what she has to say, she can be hiding things from her and it's quite possible that she doesn't know what is happening with her mother. That should be the first step in resolving the problems.

charlieo1126@gmail.com 12-16-2020 09:46 AM

I’m amazed that there are so many people praising this Kim person who may be who she says she is , but maybe she is not , this is the same group of people who see scams everywhere and talk about bolting there doors band arming themselves. I’m sure with all the publicity she has many sharks swimming around her home what she doesn’t need is people knocking on her door. What she might need is a good lawyer or good realtor , or just maybe be left alone

Gulfcoast 12-16-2020 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by charlieo1126@gmail.com (Post 1874186)
I’m amazed that there are so many people praising this Kim person who may be who she says she is , but maybe she is not , this is the same group of people who see scams everywhere and talk about bolting there doors band arming themselves. I’m sure with all the publicity she has many sharks swimming around her home what she doesn’t need is people knocking on her door. What she might need is a good lawyer or good realtor , or just maybe be left alone

I agree, it sounds as though she is quite capable of representing herself in court. Her only obligation is to keep her home up to community standards. The rest is all speculation.

Dgizzi 12-16-2020 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Papa Muzzy (Post 1873106)
Where are her neighbors ?

Why should her neighbors be obligated to help her? And maybe they can’t. You can’t “expect” or assume your neighbors can or will help you. We did that the first 55 and older place we lived at and got taken advantage of!

Topspinmo 12-16-2020 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Alaska Butch (Post 1873900)
She gets at most 1/2 her husbands retirement plus whatever social security. Probably over $5000 a month total I am guessing. The couple should have planned better. This story played out with my Mom. Over spending to the tune of $3000 a month. Reality check. You will run out of money in five years Mom. Got her to back off on her gratiitous spending and live within her means. Her principle is not touched now. i suggest this lady needs to sit down with a financial counselor.


I don’t know how officer retirement works, I sure they get more benefits than enlisted, the few always get more especially when federal government involved. I can tell how enlisted works. You have donate some of you retirement check for survivors benefits and it’s quit chuck for 1/2 survivors benefits for the spouse, or spouse don’t get any of the retirement when other dies. The half million house comes with extreme expenses especially in Marion country. I don’t think it fair cause the spouse gives up career with moving every 3 to 7 years.

Pairadocs 12-16-2020 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 1873108)
Family?

Family, unfortunately, is not always the answer for many. Of course it works for some, but I also know of many situations where it's not possible. It seems the legal/governmental answer, when people have very little money, no job, no prospects for a job, and in "our" collective wisdom, we fine them MORE. Have seen this done to the homeless, the indigent, RAISE the fines, that will solve it, charge them MORE. Of course it's a problem here, we don't want our property diminished by the neglect of others either, but in a community of people this age, there could be some mental "slippage", may be no adult children to run in and be the heroes, my be adult children who are unemployed in these times, may be drug or alcohol addicts, who knows. But compassion, understanding, and maybe even "someone" willing to sit down and talk, just be a friend, help with the decisions (and yes, a less expensive piece of property is one possible answer, but just RAISE the fine as our politicians almost always come up with, in reality, does not solve the problem. This woman needs guidance, some support, and NO, I am not just some "bleeding heart", sometimes people just need an understanding person to help guide them to solutions, not MORE FINES. It could happen to ANY of us... people tend to forget that !

Pairadocs 12-16-2020 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1873125)
There's no reason why she should even still be living in that house, other than sentimental stubbornness. She could sell it for $350,000, far below whatever Zillow claims it's worth, "as is," buy a smaller home in the Spanish Springs area for around $200,000. With the profits she can afford to hire a professional mover, pay the amenity fees, and hire a lawn and pesticide guy for the next 5 years. She'd have plenty left over for taxes and to supplement whatever her Social Security income is.

Yep, it's all so simple ! But, maybe, just maybe, it sometimes seems (mentally) just insurmountable. Maybe, just maybe, she needs a GENUINE, caring, friend, not to solve it all for her, but to support her through this. I heard from a relative about a group where she lives in Arizona who does just that. They are a group in her retirement area that are committed to just being a friend in this kind of circumstance, not bail the person out financially, but some widowers and windows have no children, some have children who are not employed, ill, drug addicted, etc. and can not help, so the organization is just dedicated to being a friend when you are in need of someone to listen, understand, and help you make a plan to do what needs to be done (such as selling, buying a smaller place, finding an affordable senior residence sometimes, just not being alone in making decisions that confuse and overwhelm). People DO get mental fatigue and need support.

Pairadocs 12-16-2020 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Chitown (Post 1873801)
I would be willing to donate a fairly large sum of money to help this woman but I would first need to be guaranteed that I can visit the home and see for myself and talk to the woman before I would give her money.

Someone mentioned she needed a financial advisor, I think she may just need one or two GOOD friends, not a paid advisor. Sometimes things can seem just insurmountable, but with some good friendship and support, one CAN push ahead. Remember, just listing, showings, packing, moving, etc. can be excruciating if one is not in top mental condition. I wonder if the VA has any services that would just be as simple as a little informal counseling and just being with here to talk to various real estate agents, make a plan, etc. Even a church that has free counseling services that are more "friendship" oriented than "professional" maybe ?

Pairadocs 12-16-2020 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by pcacace (Post 1873681)
Selling and getting a patio villa makes the best sense. Less space to take care of and lots of cash in the bank.

Agree, but, she may need someone, a "REAL" friend who cares, to guide her through that. As for cash in the bank ? She might not have a great deal of equity, if she also goes through an agent, could come out with nothing ! Don't know of course. Good friends could sure help a lot just to be there for her.

Pairadocs 12-16-2020 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by NavyVet (Post 1873515)
This situation is very sad and we all sympathize. I'm sure nobody expects to lose a spouse so soon into retirement. None of us can know who will live outlive who or for how long. That's why it is so critical for good financial/retirement planning, both for worst case scenario and different contingencies.
When my spouse retired after 20+ years service, we decided together to turn down the SBP. We found it quite pricey for the benefits received, especially since it banked on the spouse outliving the retiree by a lot of years to make it worth the cost. What we did was take that same premium amount and bought really good life insurance policies on both of us and invested the rest on our own. My spouse made sure that whenever the time comes that something happens to him, I'd be taken care of, something he learned from his father. Either one of us left behind will 'downsize' when that time comes. It's being practical versus an overly sentimental attachment to a house.
That said, we know very little facts, just a lot of guessing. However, the situation is just not sustainable as it is. The homeowner apparently cannot afford to keep and maintain this large home with a pool on the golf course by herself. Is the pool ever even used? Let's say hypothetically she puts the house up for sale. If there is no money for repairs, then the house would have to sell as is, which means she will not get top dollar and have to settle for a lower price. However, there are many adorable patio villas and cottages for less than half that which would leave her some money leftover to live on for a while, a fresh start so to speak, or even moving outside TV that would be even cheaper. There are many of us who can't afford a pool home on a golf course. I agree with posters that said throwing money at the immediate issues is just a short term fix and doesn't help in the long run. There are too many unknowns; are there any family/relatives? How much can the church or neighbors help out and for how long? Maybe there are cognitive issues, not uncommon at that age. Perhaps there are physical limitations to prevent taking care of so much home. What we do know is this did not happen yesterday or overnight. The spouse passed 8 years ago. People bite off more than they can chew all the time with a big house and then are cash poor. Then one partner loses a job, or gets sick, or dies, losing the income needed to pay the bills - it's just not sustainable.
It makes me think of another possibility; my parents had a thing for many years known as "decision paralysis." Any time there was anything that needed a decision, a choice, or a course of action, they were incapable of making the decision, big or small. Instead of choosing, they would do nothing; they'd stick their heads in the sand and ignore it, hoping it would go away. Not committing to a course of action is in itself a 'choice.' They would always wait until the choice was taken out of their hands. It was so frustrating. It is difficult to help anyone who does not want to accept help, even when providing solutions to a problem. Just saying there might not be much people can do other than to try and point a person in the right direction for financial counseling/budgeting, APS, social worker, elder law, etc.

So well said ! Many can't think past their own circumstances and experiences.... RAISE her fines, that will do it, CALL HER KIDS, that will do it, TELL her to MOVE, that will do it....... thank you for demonstrating there are thinking people on this site who understand beyond their own door step. God bless you

Pairadocs 12-16-2020 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by zuidemab (Post 1873207)
Home equity is the key, particularly at 73. She may qualify for second mortgage or a reverse mortgage. Some one she trusts and knows this stuff should accompany her.

yes, she needs a real friend to help and support her through this for sure !

Pettys1 12-16-2020 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by kathyspear (Post 1873113)
I think Zillow is way off (too high) with that estimate. We sold our previous home in Calumet Grove last March and Zillow says it is worth $90k more than we sold it for. It is not.

Zillow says they paid $381,500 in 2004. (That seems high to me but I could be wrong.) In any case, I would guess her home might be worth in the mid- to high-400's, depending on condition. If it hasn't been updated at all (which is likely, if her husband passed away 8 years ago) it could be worth less. She might have some equity in the house but not what it might seem like if you go by Zillow.

I agree that she should probably sell it and buy something much smaller. One person doesn't need 2200+ sq. ft. She may not have anyone nearby (adult kids or grandkids) to help her with packing up/moving out of a home where she has lived for 16 years and listing it for sale. Or she may be reluctant to leave the home where she and her husband lived together.

It would be great if a neighbor or two would try and help her. I don't know what we, as strangers, can do but I would be willing to contribute to a GoFundMe if one were set up.

kathy






That's the problem with living in an HOA community.. An your so called neighbors turn on you like a snake.

Pairadocs 12-16-2020 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Spalumbos62 (Post 1873362)
Wow......Santa...I know what you and that cold heart are getting for Xmas!
There is no doubt she needs assistance... not sure some strange knocking on a 70something's door to offer to buy the house to then rent back is the answer....seems like someone taking advantage of a bad situation.
if there were enough people really interested in helping they should organize a team to assess the whole situation. First and most importantly, talking to her.... what does she want, what opinions does she have, does she even want to stay here. Just blindly looking most likely is sell the house, take the proceeds and get a place on historic side with no bond.
With all this said....yes covid us probably the biggest obstacle here, but maybe just a friendly knock to start.
And yes, I would do it if I could, but because of covid I can't comfortably get down to my place and we'll ride out this pending Nor -easter while my home in warm Fl calls my name.
Fingers crossed.

Exactly ! NOT, "Oh here, let me help you out, I don't know you but I'll just buy your house and you can pay me rent..... yada, yada..... yep, it's Florida, everyone's got an angle. Hope some can form a real support group for her, maybe she is relatively "fine" mentally, but just depressed and overwhelmed, maybe with some REAL friends, she could come right out of this !

Pairadocs 12-16-2020 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by JGVillages (Post 1873439)
Since members of her church are helping her pull weeds, as the original story stated, it is curious the church membership isn’t more involved in helping find a reasonable solution.

That is VERY suspicious, but, of course it could be true. You'd think someone would recognize she needs help, if only with a state of "indecision" ? I do know of a case of a distant relative who "seemed" mentally functional, however, in his mind he had NO money.... I know that seems odd, but this is true. Lived in Colorado and was cold and hungry because he "thought" he had no money, yet, his behavior was not otherwise odd or out of line. Taught me that people can get bazaar thoughts, and yet, can be considered competent and to others appear perfectly normal, and in most ways ARE ! In this case, he was NOT legally incompetent, was found to have a DEEP SEATED FEAR of poverty, of running out of money, so it took awhile to figure our why he let small things go in his nice home; not have the a plumbing problem fixed in a bathroom he did not need or use himself, failed to have the AC fixed in his car as it was "outrageously expensive and don't need it that much in Colorado", etc. etc. You just never know what people can get into their minds. This relative actually had a "decent" income; the thinking got skewered but was otherwise in tact. No one at his church or in his card group, caught on ! ?

CoachKandSportsguy 12-16-2020 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Pairadocs (Post 1874487)
Taught me that people can get bazaar thoughts, and yet, can be considered competent and to others appear perfectly normal, and in most ways ARE ! In this case, he was NOT legally incompetent, was found to have a DEEP SEATED FEAR of poverty, of running out of money, so it took awhile to figure our why he let small things go in his nice home; not have the a plumbing problem fixed in a bathroom he did not need or use himself, failed to have the AC fixed in his car as it was "outrageously expensive and don't need it that much in Colorado", etc. etc. You just never know what people can get into their minds.

Most people don't have any education or knowledge of how mental illness or disorders present. I had to read about 30 books to figure out how some issues present. . . and not being professional, i certainly missed many very obvious signs with my mom's dementia. Most will use logic to excuse the behavior.

The scenario as I read it does not have enough information, but getting into this situation means that the woman needs some help, and does not understand her options, or can't deal with her options, such as downsizing, etc. Most likely she is overwhelmed being alone, has diminished mental capacities, and wasn't prepared for her outcome. . . Not the first person who i have met who didn't plan and just assumed life as they know it would continue indefinitely.

Unless you are equipped and experienced dealing with elderly and their issues, and can prevent yourself from begin accused of manipulation, the best suggestion is county social services.

Gulfcoast 12-16-2020 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy (Post 1874500)
Most people don't have any education or knowledge of how mental illness or disorders present. I had to read about 30 books to figure out how some issues present. . . and not being professional, i certainly missed many very obvious signs with my mom's dementia. Most will use logic to excuse the behavior.

The scenario as I read it does not have enough information, but getting into this situation means that the woman needs some help, and does not understand her options, or can't deal with her options, such as downsizing, etc. Most likely she is overwhelmed being alone, has diminished mental capacities, and wasn't prepared for her outcome. . . Not the first person who i have met who didn't plan and just assumed life as they know it would continue indefinitely.

Unless you are equipped and experienced dealing with elderly and their issues, and can prevent yourself from begin accused of manipulation, the best suggestion is county social services.

Good points. Wouldn't being brought into court for failure to maintain the property bring an elderly homeowner under the radar of not just the courts but of social services, too?

Gulfcoast 12-16-2020 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Pairadocs (Post 1874483)
Exactly ! NOT, "Oh here, let me help you out, I don't know you but I'll just buy your house and you can pay me rent..... yada, yada..... yep, it's Florida, everyone's got an angle. Hope some can form a real support group for her, maybe she is relatively "fine" mentally, but just depressed and overwhelmed, maybe with some REAL friends, she could come right out of this !

The social isolation that people have been under for the past 9 months has contributed to mental declines in otherwise functioning people. It could very well be that a little friendship and laughter could be the best medicine. Simply feeling all alone can, in and of itself, be overwhelming. Hopefully with the clubs and activities reopening, people are getting out for some much needed support and companionship again.

Bruce Hancock 12-17-2020 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Eg_cruz@comcast.net (Post 1873146)
Sound like a reverse mortgage is what would really help her. She would be able to have funds in a line of credit where she could draw monthly income.
This is exactly why reverse mortgages help some.

You are exactly right. I can help her. I work for Mutual of Omaha and do reverses in the Villages. She would probably net about $300,000, which sits in a line of credit, growing every year. She can take lump sums, monthly payments, anything she wants. She ALWAYS owns the home. When she sells or passes, she pays back whatever she used to live better, fix up the home etc. No payments are ever required.

Bruce Hancock 12-17-2020 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Dot Rheinhardt (Post 1873236)
I am in the same situation. Lost my husband's Social Security because of GPO (married 66 years) over $24,000 a year, but bills keep on. Reverse mortgage could help, but if she owes more than $100,000 on her house, I think she has to come up with whatever she owes over that amount to get the reverse mortgage (not sure of this ). I expect she lost all or most of her husband's pension when he died. I could sell my house, but may not, and get a smaller house, but I have animals and other considerations, so probably won't. We don't know the whole situation her (other bills, car loans, etc.). I do feel sorry for her, and she may not have all the mental abilities to conduct whatever needs to be done. If she has family, they should step in and advise her.

I can help her. I work for Mutual of Omaha and do reverses in the Villages. She has no mortgage apparently, but if she did we pay it off so she no longer has a mortgage payment, which is HUGH for some people. She would probably net about $300,000, which sits in a line of credit, growing every year. She can take lump sums, monthly payments, anything she wants. She ALWAYS owns the home. When she sells or passes, she pays back whatever she used to live better, fix up the home etc. No payments are ever required.

Topspinmo 12-17-2020 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by jaj523 (Post 1873416)
She may or MAY NOT have a pension coming in. Military members opt for survivor benefits or NOT while they are active duty. If they opt for survivor benefits, they get less take-home pay. Some choose for the higher paycheck and forego the survivor benefits.


It’s only option upon retirement. O wait I retired 26 years ago, they might of changes the rules?


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