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beartrack 09-26-2010 02:13 PM

Thank you Graciegirl, I knew that you would understand. If there are still some out there that feel that they want to continue to whine about profit and loss statements, this is America and that is their right. But, the rest of us need to get to work and raise the money. I want our cancer center to be the best that it can be. The benchmark for all communities in our country. Just one more reason to be a proud Villager.

BigLew 09-26-2010 03:38 PM

I guess being civil is beyond some of us
 
1. I didn't say the center is a bad thing
2. I didn't say I give a hoot as to whether or not the Morse's make money on it
3. I did say if you feel strongly about it then donate
4. I had life saving major surgery to replace my heart and the equipment was paid for in part by the $1.2 million that my insurance paid them. I have donated time to Heart charities as well as giving years worth of time to the MS association (no one in my family has MS) and other organizations......the request is still for a private marketing purpose and is still ludicrous. You can now use as many CAPITAL LETTERS as you wish to be rude Russ.

Russ_Boston 09-26-2010 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by BigLew (Post 295278)
1. I didn't say the center is a bad thing
2. I didn't say I give a hoot as to whether or not the Morse's make money on it
3. I did say if you feel strongly about it then donate
4. I had life saving major surgery to replace my heart and the equipment was paid for in part by the $1.2 million that my insurance paid them. I have donated time to Heart charities as well as giving years worth of time to the MS association (no one in my family has MS) and other organizations......the request is still for a private marketing purpose and is still ludicrous. You can now use as many CAPITAL LETTERS as you wish to be rude Russ.

Sorry if you thought it was rude - that was not my intent - I apologize. The capital letters were to emphasize my main points. I know they mean 'to yell' in cyberspace but that was not what I wanted.

But why do you care if it is for private marketing purpose if you don't care that Morse makes money? Isn't that what the private purpose is that you are referring to? A guestion for you or anyone else who worries about Morse's motive: What if I told you that I had a plan that would make you 100K. But I then told you that I was making 1M from this same plan? Would you turn it down? (Assume everything is legal etc.)

Again I ask: If I'm wrong please provide more information about why I'm wrong. I'll read it and research it.

There is NO (there I go again) downside. If TV becomes more desirable because of Moffitt then maybe the demand for our homes remains high. That's a good thing for all of us including Morse. Not to mention the actual benefit by having the center in our own backyard.

My final post in this thread.

villages07 09-27-2010 10:08 AM

I do not routinely donate large sums to the big, national charities. They just seem to spend so much of their income on further fundraising while spending a relatively smaller percentage of funds on the cause/cure they were intended for. How many mailing labels, greeting cards, and calendars can one really use????

The whole concept of a world class Cancer center inside the Villages is awe-inspiring, even moreso now having heard the stories of many TOTV'ers and SteveFromNY's son.

I still intend to research their business plan and fundraising structure, but, definitely will send them a generous donation far beyond the per capita figures they have been discussing. It appears to me that the vast majority of funds raised will go directly to equipping/supporting the center and not to further fundraising. A good cause, indeed, with significant local impact.

laryb 09-27-2010 11:01 AM

We have a family friend in Florida who, after a flight up north 2 years ago, developed a huge mass in his leg. The doctors back home told him that it was a very rare type of cancer in it's later stages,and that the prognosis was not good. His own doctor consulted with a doctor in Boston who in turn referred him to a doctor at the Moffitt Center inTampa. They not only saved his leg, but he has been cancer free since and has continued with his landscaping business. I've had cancer twice myself, and luckily, it was very treatable, (and if there is such a thing, one of the better ones to have if you're going to get it) but I still have to go for tests yearly. Personally, to have a facility of that stature in TV would be fantastic. If the price of $64 PP is accurate, that's a small price to pay to me. I'd pay more just for the peace of mind and the convenience, and if the Morse's make out, I think I'm still coming out ahead.

graciegirl 09-27-2010 11:15 AM

Proud to know all of you.

BigLew 09-27-2010 11:58 AM

sorry I mistook emphasis for a cyber shout, as for the rest I refer you back to my points 1 & 2. I never said Morse making money on it was a concern, he's putting money up and will make a nice bit in return, that's called business.I dislike that the builder, working from a place of trust, asks the public to pay for his business venture. I did not say do not donate, I will repeat that for those who don't understand after the third repetition, please donate if you have emotional or moral ties to cancer, that is normal for any new health facility, but do not put amounts of imagined donations from every one of your customers (yes that is what we are, TV customers) in full paged ads as if it is a given that we will finance a private profitable enterprise (not for profit is far from non-profit) because you asked us to, like so many Stepford Wives.
it is that ad and only that ad and its presentation that is objectionable, its just not worth saying anything else on this subject.

graciegirl 09-27-2010 12:35 PM

It was an AD asking for donations?
 
Many of us are off campus and can't read the paper.

2BNTV 09-27-2010 01:28 PM

Still a Wannabe
 
My mothers side of the family have died from cancer and my remaining aunt has had cancer but survive it, (she is 94).

From a personal perspective, I for one would be grateful to know that a cancer treatment is a short ride away rather than have to add an additional burden of having to travel 30 plus minutes.

Please don't jump on me but I thought one of the posts from a newspaper said "area" residents. TV residents are not the only ones to have to donate to this cancer center.

Maybe I'm missing something but I would not like to have to something like this happen to me and not have available resources close by. Isn't ones health more important than money?

Man plans, GOD laughs.

BigLew 09-27-2010 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by 2BNTV (Post 295433)
Please don't jump on me but I thought one of the posts from a newspaper said "area" residents. TV residents are not the only ones to have to donate to this cancer center.

nobody "has to" donate.
The center will be built whether or not you donate.;)

NJblue 09-27-2010 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by BigLew (Post 295422)
I never said Morse making money on it was a concern, he's putting money up and will make a nice bit in return, that's called business.I dislike that the builder, working from a place of trust, asks the public to pay for his business venture.

I'll admit that I have only perused this discussion, and perhaps I missed it, but, is there any proof that Morse will make any money on this? As I understand it, Moffett is a non-profit out of Tampa. It sounds like Morse has agreed to donate a building to have Moffett come to TV. It also appears that Morse is throwing his PR machine behind a drive to get additional donations to buy the expensive equipment that is needed.

What I have failed to see so far, is the linkage between our donations for equipment, and profits for Morse. Unless Morse is some sort of behind-the-scenes "owner" of the Moffett Center, can't his donations of building and PR effort be just that - donations? To me it sounds more akin to a rich person saying he will make a huge donation to a charity to match smaller donations made by the general public. Were Danny Thomas' motivations put to such scrutiny for what he did for St. Judes?

pauld315 09-27-2010 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by BigLew (Post 295422)
we will finance a private profitable enterprise (not for profit is far from non-profit) because you asked us to, like so many Stepford Wives.
it is that ad and only that ad and its presentation that is objectionable, its just not worth saying anything else on this subject.

What is the difference between a not for profit and non profit organization ? When I go to Wikipedia, it provides one definition for both terms.

A non-profit organization (abbreviated as NPO, also known as a not-for-profit organization)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-profit_organization


Moffit's website clearly states they are a not for profit organization

http://www.moffitt.org/about

Chi-Town 09-27-2010 03:03 PM

From what I gather The Cancer Center that is being built as a second wing tower addition at the Sharon Morse Medical Office Building will be leased to the Central Florida Health Alliance.

duffysmom 09-27-2010 05:32 PM

:BigApplause:I consider it a privilege to contribute to the Moffitt Center; as for profits, anyone in need of treatment will profit. Kudos Mr. Morse, not only have you provided me with a lifestyle beyond my wildest dreams, you now provide me with the means to live a long and happy life. :BigApplause:

graciegirl 09-27-2010 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Chi-Town (Post 295465)
From what I gather The Cancer Center that is being built as a second wing tower addition at the Sharon Morse Medical Office Building will be leased to the Central Florida Health Alliance.

Is that the place targeted for the Moffitt Center? I have been mispelling Moffit. Central Florida Health Alliance (?!!)....Here in Cincinnati the names and "alliances" of hospitals keep being shifted around, it is so confusing, now Jewish hospital is owned by the Catholic something something. You have to be on your toes to know who is who and what is what.


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