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Pairadocs 01-13-2023 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by LAFwUs (Post 2175196)
...or you could simply state in your ad "cash only, at time of pick up" and meet at a public place if the potential buyers is giving off a bad vibe.
Seems to work for 99% of the transaction done thru CL, FBMP, OU, LiG, etc.

Very VERY good advice ! Many police are even encouraging and providing a place for transaction IN the police parking area. Not sure if our Sheriff's annex here does or not, but there is always the FRONT spaces directly in front of a Publix. Sometimes it just doesn't pay to have strangers come to your home, into your garage, etc. It's a sad commentary on the state of the world, but...

mlmarr 01-14-2023 07:08 AM

Scammers everywhere.. just say no..

RiderOnTheStorm 01-14-2023 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by GpaVader (Post 2175097)
Just thought I would share a recent encounter. Recently posted some items on FB Marketplace to sell. In this case it was Bicycles. I had just reposted the items when a got a FB Message from an interested buyer, the buyer claimed he was out of town but would have his cousin pick up the items and asked if I accepted Zelle? I do, because I've used them for a long time and like PayPal, I will use it to buy and sell items. We agree on a price and he sends me his payment only instead of seeing my payment in my Zelle account I get an email saying I don't have the right Zelle account. I am confused at this point because I've never had this issue before, and I've received more money in the past than this transaction. The seller is very assertive that he has sent the money and wants to schedule the pickup or he wants me to send his money back. I explained that I am not doing either until the money shows up in my account. I checked with my bank and they don't see anything pending or otherwise. I went back to the email and started to review it when I noticed that the email address wasn't from Zelle but a Yahoo account.

Long story short, it was a scam. Pay attention to your emails and look them over carefully before accepting them as real. If you need to take action on something, never click on a link in the email. Go to the website directly, the link may look legit but often times it will send you to someplace where they are going to try and harvest as much information as you are willing to provide them.

After confronting the buyer, I was promptly ghosted and I've never heard from him again.

You open yourself up to scammers by using online payment accounts such as the ones you mentioned. Why not stick to cash or certified check upon pickup? We do. never lost a sale or been scammed.

retiredguy123 01-14-2023 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by RiderOnTheStorm (Post 2175634)
You open yourself up to scammers by using online payment accounts such as the ones you mentioned. Why not stick to cash or certified check upon pickup? We do. never lost a sale or been scammed.

I wouldn't accept a certified check. Many of the scammers use counterfeit certified checks. You bank will deposit the check into your account, but then remove the money days or weeks later when it turns out to be counterfeit.

Veiragirl 01-14-2023 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by JGibson (Post 2175146)
The first problem is dealing with strangers on FB or even using FB at all, it's spyware and censorship to the fullest.

Be glad some weirdos didn't show up at your house and take more than the bike.

This applies to Craiglist also. People are hurting for money these days and expect the scams to increase.

EBay may be the only reasonable place to sell stuff at it has protections in place like all transactions are done through eBay.

I totally agree about Facebook.Not a member and never will. Personally I don't care what you ate for dinner, pics of your kids, and all the BS that it promotes.

JMintzer 01-14-2023 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by RiderOnTheStorm (Post 2175634)
You open yourself up to scammers by using online payment accounts such as the ones you mentioned. Why not stick to cash or certified check upon pickup? We do. never lost a sale or been scammed.

You may see "attempted" scammers when using Venmo or Zelle, but with minimal precautions, it is perfectly safe.

Don't give them the item until you receive confirmation that the money is in your account. It only takes a second or two...

They never see your account info, only your e-mail address. If you're that concerned about giving out your e-mail, set up a separate e-mail address just for those instances...

JMintzer 01-14-2023 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 2175500)
I don't know how Zelle works, but it is not always safe to assume that, just because money is in your account, that the bank may not remove the money later if they discover that the transaction was fraudulent. It happens all the time with counterfeit checks.

It's safe when you use Zelle or Venmo... Money cannot be withdrawn without your approval...

Reynoka 01-15-2023 04:08 AM

Selling seems like so much work. Does anyone else just donate to Goodwill or other charities and use as a tax deduction?

retiredguy123 01-15-2023 04:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Reynoka (Post 2175884)
Selling seems like so much work. Does anyone else just donate to Goodwill or other charities and use as a tax deduction?

I do, but the tax deduction is worthless for me and many retirees because it is not advantageous to itemize their deductions. This is because of the higher standard deduction and Florida has no income tax to deduct.

Caymus 01-15-2023 05:46 AM

Many articles on using Zelle.

How to get your money back from a Zelle scam or accidental money transfer - Elliott Report

Rainger99 01-15-2023 06:29 AM

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Originally Posted by jparsoneau@aol.com (Post 2175373)
I’m at the point where I don’t even respond to people asking me if it’s still available and I put that in the ad.

I am amazed at how many times I see an item listed - and when I call the seller, I find out that it was sold last week. I will check a few days later and it is still listed as available. This happens frequently on TOTV.

Rainger99 01-15-2023 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Reynoka (Post 2175884)
Selling seems like so much work. Does anyone else just donate to Goodwill or other charities and use as a tax deduction?

The standard deduction for a single person is $12,950 and for a married couple filing jointly, it is $25,900.

Standard Deduction for 2022 vs. 2023 | Kiplinger

Kjbatl 01-15-2023 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by JGibson (Post 2175146)
The first problem is dealing with strangers on FB or even using FB at all, it's spyware and censorship to the fullest.

Be glad some weirdos didn't show up at your house and take more than the bike.

This applies to Craiglist also. People are hurting for money these days and expect the scams to increase.

EBay may be the only reasonable place to sell stuff at it has protections in place like all transactions are done through eBay.

If you think Ebay is a place to buy and sell without scams, you are really mistaken. When I was looking for vehicles, I reported more scams than real post for the motorcycle type I was looking for. It was very easy to spot the scams after I had been looking for a couple weeks. Most always had a price lower than what I would have expected a seller to be asking and would only have one or two pictures instead of multiple. They used write-ups that became a pattern if you read them, using statements like health issues, job loss, etc. forcing a quick sale or selling for friend/family member with issues. I have had far less problems buying and selling with FB marketplace as long as you say cash only and don't respond to others picking up item.

PugMom 01-15-2023 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by MsPCGenius (Post 2175297)
Clarify for me... how is Zelle a risk? If someone shows up to buy something for "cash only" and I give them my Zelle account name -- they complete the transfer of funds while on site -- I confirm it's in my account, how is that a risk?

Help me to understand how this form of electronic transfer is risky. Thanks.

Zelle is a risk because you do not know who you are dealing with, even if they claim to id themselves. all a hacker needs to do is get a copy page of your bank statement, ( hacked from a gas pump, etc.), & your money is gone. do not rely on Zelle to get any funds back to you, as the bank claims zelle is a 3rd party. upon looking further, you will find out zelle IS owned by BOA, wells fargo, chase & some other bank i cannot recall. you can TRY to get in touch with the fraud dept., but will wait on hold up to TWO HOURS, in which time your account will be emptied in front of your eyes. you could end up loosing thousands of dollars in an instant! you will then need to begin with a police report, then hire a lawyer to guide you through the legal process.. go ahead & ask me how i know all this, LOL, our lawyer is working hard on the case

PugMom 01-15-2023 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Caymus (Post 2175899)

i read that closely, but sounds much easier said than done. the police told us they usually win under a class-action lawsuit that could take years

JMintzer 01-15-2023 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by PugMom (Post 2176050)
Zelle is a risk because you do not know who you are dealing with, even if they claim to id themselves. all a hacker needs to do is get a copy page of your bank statement, ( hacked from a gas pump, etc.), & your money is gone.

Care to explain this? You need more than a copy of a bank statement to set up/access a Zelle account...

PugMom 01-15-2023 10:39 AM

BOA told me it is common to gain access to people accts using a gas pump skimmer. apparently that was how ours was hacked. the person gained the actt number, then called ME claiming to be a BOA rep. they said my zelle acct was hacked & needed to confirm purchases with me. the person could see my legitimate transactions! then read off to me some that i did not make. i was told i needed to shut down this acct asap & the phony rep would help me create a new zelle acct. i stupidly & foolishly believed this person was an employee of the bank, & with 'new' info i provided, they emptied the acct

Bay Kid 01-16-2023 08:45 AM

Cash is king!

tvbound 01-16-2023 09:00 AM

Some great info here on avoiding online scams, and maybe I just missed it in an earlier post, but another suggestion is to get a totally separate email account for only buying/selling. The easiest way to spot a scam, is to hover your cursor over the email address of the entity contacting you and when it is some weird name/address, it's almost always guaranteed to be an attempted scammer.

When I see one of those, it instantly gets marked as spam and reported...WITHOUT ever opening the email itself or especially clinking on ANY link in the email.

OrangeBlossomBaby 01-16-2023 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Rainger99 (Post 2175908)
The standard deduction for a single person is $12,950 and for a married couple filing jointly, it is $25,900.

Standard Deduction for 2022 vs. 2023 | Kiplinger

You can still claim charitable deductions, even if you take the standard deduction. $300 for an individual, $600 married filing jointly.

retiredguy123 01-16-2023 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2176390)
You can still claim charitable deductions, even if you take the standard deduction. $300 for an individual, $600 married filing jointly.

Not true, the rule changed last year.

JMintzer 01-16-2023 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by PugMom (Post 2176094)
BOA told me it is common to gain access to people accts using a gas pump skimmer. apparently that was how ours was hacked. the person gained the actt number, then called ME claiming to be a BOA rep. they said my zelle acct was hacked & needed to confirm purchases with me. the person could see my legitimate transactions! then read off to me some that i did not make. i was told i needed to shut down this acct asap & the phony rep would help me create a new zelle acct. i stupidly & foolishly believed this person was an employee of the bank, & with 'new' info i provided, they emptied the acct

Sorry you were hacked, but sadly, YOU provided the hackers with the info needed...

Never, never, NEVER respond to phone calls from a bank, paypal, Amazon or any other on-line site. Go directly to the site, log in and check there. OR... Call the number on your credit card or bank statement...

PugMom 01-16-2023 12:29 PM

you are absolutely correct,


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