I wish I had advance notice of the rally at SS. Whoever organizes the next one, please
put the info on a new post. I live south of 466, but I and many of my friends are in support
of our neighbors in the historic area. The next rally should be ASAP while the news stations
are involved. Don't give up; we're with you all the way.

Each Village has a VHA Represenitive, which is controlled by guess who...Mark Morse.

Here’s a thought, sorry for the posts I am not there yet but I am going to be soon. Someone get a Mail Chimp account (Send Better Email | MailChimp), set up a simple email list, screen name here, email address, Village they live in, post it here and then create a campaign. The campaign can be sent out to all on list with instructions on how to share it to others. It works for me went from 25 to 1800 in about 2 weeks, you have more availability here, and from my Google Analytics stats yesterday you got your own referral to my web page, which would be great if you were all dance teachers. If you need help you can Facetime me.

I am not sure if this violates something here for this service, maybe; if it does my apologies.

JannD

I hadn't heard them called Village Block Captains. Thank you.

I suspect he he is basking in the sun, on his family yacht.
Grinning ear to ear....

This is a new term to me. There are block captains in TV?

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No more dinning and shopping in the villages
 

While we do not live in the villages. We do most of our grocery shopping ,dining out, go to the farmers market, purchase from the venders at the squares, and purchase from the various retailers in the villages. With the golf cart access blocked we will no longer be able to help support theses business. While we will miss the villages it will be at the expense of the businesses in the villages. We are sure there are a great number of people living here that feel the same way.

Boyhowdy

Channel 9 is planning to air this story on the evening news according to the lady at the TV station.
Hope Morse has a satellite dish on his yacht so he doesn't miss it!

Each of the villages has neighborhood volunteers that notify their respective neighbors of parties and other pertinent issues.

Ohh, I didn't know I was the Block Captain for our informal Hilltop Cocoon Club. LOL I know who our Block Captain is on our cul-de-sac. He's in New York for the summer. That is a new term that makes perfect sense when I think about it. Thank you.

cart path closing
 

This is typical of The Villages.
Why in the world would they block cart access to their own Urgent Care Center and lab???
Must be someone decided they weren't getting any money from letting people use that path. The GREED so prevalent with the Morse family continues to boggle my mind.

As many of you have said, I don't understand why people who aren't affected by this continually post condescending (some downright snide) remarks.
Better yet, why don't they show up at one of the rallies and make their patronizing comments to the faces of the people who have been hurt by this!

Thank you!! The condescending remarks from those that can jump in their carts and go is really uncalled for...that and the defense of who is behind all this.

I agree with you, NoMoSno. Of course people will still have access to grocery stores and hardware stores, but not the ones they have been used to getting to more easily and faster for the last 20 years--their favorite, affordable places to shop. Not to mention those who must get to work or to their doctor on a cart, and now cannot. So I think johnboy's post is an oversimplification. I feel for these people and do not think they are over reacting.

What's the difference? If it affects ten people in a way that they will lose their jobs or not be able to get to their doctors, at the very least, an explanation is due.

If there is some legitimate reason such as safety then I can accept that. If this is simply to spite another business, then I really resent being used as pawn in someone's little chess match.

WOW!!!!
This post should get the issue resolved! :crap2:

Who is behind this?

Perhaps they're being rewarded because so many choose to engage them by replying?

Every Villager should be upset whether it directly effects them or not. Here is an action taken with total disregard of the people it will impact. Its a slap in the face to everyone. Just the way it was implemented is a red flag.

Yeah, I'm not too good at ignoring rudeness. I probably spend too much time having battles of wit with unarmed people.

Well, have called VCDD, TV execs, TV sales office, every staff member I know. I've been told they aren't allowed to comment. Period, end of conversation. This really stinks!!! The skunk is definitely showing his stripes on this one.

Have a couple of emails out re easement laws. Will let all know if I get an answer. Maybe another class action suit will open Morse's eyes that he may own the land but he doesn't own the people or the community.

Well said, Steve.

I think it is important to mention this action, while not directly effecting everyone, certainly indicates what can effect them in the future. For instance, there are many paths leading to non Villages property that could be closed in the same manner as the subject property.

It has been said on this forum that we do not live in a democracy in The Villages but we live in a benevolent dictatorship. This action may indicate the end of the benevolence

It does effect all of us.

Who is the bad guy
 

So many post and so much confusion!! Many post not even relative to the issue at hand. Who erected the wall should be an easy answer. I am sure the property line is defined, so is the wall on the Developers property or on the assisted care facility. Why would the "care" facility have a cart path in their plans aand actually build a cart path if they intended to erect a wall ??? Who is to gain and who is to lose??? All the stores and facilities up the WalMart way are guaranteed to gain business, The developer will tend to lose some business mainly to Cracker Barrel and Lowes. I don't see a lot of direct loss to the Developer owned businesses but more likely to those businesses within the Villages boundaries. These are most likely the businesses that are probably screaming their heads off and caused the developer to act without regard to the wishes of the residents.

I live south of 466 however, I am concerned about the "wall". I have what I think might be a soluation to the problem. The 3 groups which the wall affects are- TV, especially the historic side, Harbor Chase, and Spruce Creek. Our golf cart trails are not public streets. They are owned by the developer and the residents of TV. They are not like our streets where any one may travel (we are not a gated community). Why not install a gate like at Hickory Head Hammock. The gate could only be triggered by our gate cards. There would be no button to push. ONLY villages residents would have the card. This would keep the people from Harbor Chase and Spruce Creek out. I know people will say I am being snobby by not letting Spruce Creekers in, However they do not pay for the upkeep of the trails, we do. Our trails are getting crowded as TV gets bigger. Maybe it's time to limit access to other communities. The people from the outside are still welcome to dine and shop only they must use public roads not our private golf card trails.

I wrote to the TV stations last night. That seemed to do some good. All we can hope for is the negative publicity and maybe a surrender?

Anyone working for TVillages can't comment for fear of losing their jobs. How sad...

Did the VCDD, TV execs, TV sales office, and other staff members tell you who told them they aren't allowed to comment?

Why did Gary and/or Mark Morse wake up one day and say 'you know those people over there just have it too nice. What more can we do to those people'? We've closed the Silver Lake restaurant, we've closed the OBCC restaurant and tiki bar, we've closed the church on the square (where many of these people have worshiped for years).

There is just no logical explanation for this action...only silence. Harold Schwartz would roll over in his grave if he knew how many of his old friends are being treated.

I think the point was more to keep Villagers in not outsiders out.

What? No Villages "deep throat"?

Seems like SOMEONE would be willing to speak...... off the record.


please note: not making light of the situation at all. sincerely hope it gets resolved to everyone's satisfaction.

closing
 

Has anyone though about the people that live by that path and on that street is it possible that the path has been closed that they may have some peace.

Applepie I couldn't agree more! There are also people living in Lakeside Landings that illegally cross 472 onto Promise Healthcare property and enter via the gate that crosses the Belmont Golf Course. All they do is manually
lift the gate. I had sent an e-mail more than four years ago to Janet Tutt regarding residents having to pay to maintain the multi-model paths while nonresidents access them for free. At that time I was told the developer was in talks with the property owner on the other side where this wall has now been erected but nothing ever came of it. If non residents want to use
the multi-model paths then the counties should take them over like they do our roads and everyone pays for them out of their taxes. I have used the
dirt trail to go to Lowe's and my doctor but I will now use the car.

"They" didn't close the Orange Blossom restaurant. The restaurant who was leasing the facility failed to renew the lease. I am sure that the Morses want to rent it to a new restaurant business, greedy and dispicible as they are. If it is sitting there empty..they aren't getting rent money. Could it have been that the restaurant folks weren't making as much money as they wished, or their business had dropped for some reason?

The wall is the issue. Maybe you are right and Gary is an ugly greedy person. Those of you who are posting that yet haven't moved here, maybe you should rethink it.

I hope the answer will not be that we will never know why. Because many are sure that they do know why.

see post #106

Bless your heart. I don't need to rethink anything. I spend at least one week per month at my home there and this issue does have an impact on me.

If the issue was a non-resident using the path then a proper gate system should have been installed to only let Village Residents have access. However this punishes the Village resident living in the historic section. I believe there was more village traffic then non-village traffic using this entrance. Remember there is less incentive for a Stoncrest or Spruce Creek resident to come all the way over to the Villages as they have direct access to Walmart, Aldis, Cracker barrel, Lowes, and the doctors offices. What else would they need on a daily basis.

That isn't true is it??

Maybe they're irritated by the perception propagated by many of the people adjacent to the property which was trespassed, that they are the ONLY people with special needs, requirements and transportation in The Villages and the only people deserving of special arrangements. It would make our lives so much easier down by 466A to make holes in many fenced areas of The Villages to access facilities in an illegal way so we could give our cars away and have a 5 minute ride to work or shop in stores.

It is a hardship, no doubt, to the people who used the shortcut on a regular basis. But what's amazing here is that when talking to different people over the years that lived in this area, they expressed hope that the hole in The Villages wouldn't be closed. People knew it was a possibility but were willing to take the risk. And that opening hasn't been like that for 20 years, there was a gate there for carding; hmmm..... wonder how many times that gate was damaged so people could enter The Villages property without passes and The Villages stopped repairing it because of this. The opening was only to allow Villagers into the Villages medical businesses, period, NO FURTHER.

Now the Morse's are contending with businesses building adjacent to their property that are advising people, "you will have access to The Villages". Large pieces of property are waiting development in this area which could be more dense residential living.

I believe shortly Spruce Creek residents will be allowed to cross 441/27 in golf carts and this will also supply them direct access into The Villages residential areas. Spruce Creek is gated and we can't access them without getting in a car or street legal and driving there. Stonecrest is also walled up tighter than a drum for entering but their residents are advising us that we'd better let them use our community paths and bridges or else.... Really?

The liability and implications of The Villages allowing access to non-Villagers through that terrible trail, I would think, are huge. It was a short-cut that has been removed and rather than blame The Villages, why not take a look at the neighboring property owner who brought this upon you. He could get busy and build some highway bridges with his money to make life easier for all of us. It's not up to the Morse's to provide private access to The Villages for surrounding developments.

This "dictator" garbage gets a little old, this is an enclosed community and a gap has been repaired.

Most of all, remember many of us in The Villages struggle with issues that make everyday living difficult. Problems don't start and end at the Historic section. Advising the rest of The Villagers to stay out of it and to suck it up because the Historic section should have special treatment over the rest of The Villagers is divisive.

I feel the wall should stand at this point, it's time to close the hole. I wish the wall could be placed at the end of the medical complex so people could easily access those facilities. Perhaps if all the raging and ranting were directed at finding a solution for transportation to the stores and back, people would less frightened and more hopeful. And I do hope good remedies are found for another life change.

ashamed
 

I can't believe what people are saying about something they have no clue about I have lived here long enough to watch Mark Morse grow up he in a nice person all the things being said kind of say what kind of people are moving here lately. Before you write something and send it read what you are writing before you send

For those of you who are talking about something you know nothing about, here is a photo of the cart gate in question.
As you can see, it is not some "hole in the fence" short cut to some banned area. It is a cart gate, similar to many other gates placed throughout the Villages to allow carts to get to areas without using the highways. There is another one very similar to it that goes from Tarsson to the post office.

This gate was built a long time ago to allow access to that area. Now it have been closed with no explanation.
If there is a good reason for it's closing I think that Villages residents are owed, at the very least an explanation.
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