Not yet. It just came down minutes ago.

Such good news!...the Wall is down!!!!
 

Congratulations to the residents of TV especially to those in the historic section who relied on that path the most.

But now that the rights of TV residents have been restored to allow them access by golf cart to the medical facilities, stores and restaurants over and around Stonecrest, will they see and understand that Stonecrest residents should be afforded those same rights to access the public medical facilities, stores and restaurants on their side of that path?

I’m betting that the prevailing attitude will be, “Hey that’s their problem, if they don’t like it they should have bought in TV”.

What a week... Wonder if we will ever know who made the original decision about putting up the wall, its timing, and who knew about it ahead of time? Janet Tutt's statements only deal with the aftermath. I do feel she is a talented, honorable public official who got called in to clean up the mess

In the end, a workable solution though the good folks in Stonecrest and points north won't be happy.

A tip of the hat to John Lennon for our rallying cry...

John Lennon - Power To The People - YouTube

You are correct
 

It boggles my mind how many people post incorrect information. I am speaking of a Mr. Brown and the water usage issue. Where in the world did thios poster come up with the name Brown ?????

I'm personally sorry that my neighbors have been cut off and I'm also sad to say I believe you're right about the reaction of many TV residents, Ed. Fighting for one's own rights is a natural impulse, but agitating for someone else's is not, especially if it's to your detriment. Some Villagers will no doubt be glad that access has been restricted.

i hope that stonecrest has some folks who are able to attend the lady lake meeting on monday nite so they can find out how the issue of the wall is going to be discussed there.

I don't think this is over. We had better go to that Lady Lake town meeting on Monday. The developers plan B is to build a home there. Read this Crew removes polarizing 'Berlin Wall,' Mayor Richards says questions remain - **************

There are no gates installed yet. This fight is not over yet people. Go to the meeting at the Lady Lake town hall at 6pm on Monday . We deserve an explanation. Lets stick together and get this finished.

That looks like the same article that was run yesterday with the first seven or eight paragraphs added

Ed if what the Mayor of Lady Lake said is true, that it is town property, there will never be a gate. I for one welcome the Stonecrest resident to use the paths.

Maybe a Stonecrest resident could answer----how many carts a day would you say travel from Stonecrest to Spanish Springs and or Sumter Landing? My educated guess is few---less than 25 maybe even less than 20. Anybody in Stonecrest have a number? How about you Ed? Point being I just don't see the problem with it or how that Clogs up our cart paths. Why can't we (TV) be good neighbors.

I find the statement in the article about demolition to build a home disturbing. We need to stay on top of this.

My guess is you are pretty close. I've lived in Stonecrest for eight years and I still have enough fingers and toes left to count on that I've gone through that path. I don't like the bridge I believe its an accident waiting to happen.

I personally would rather drive it.

Thank you, BK, for starting this movement off less than a week ago

Thank you to the many posters (and viewers) who supported it - don't let anyone tell you different; it was your efforts that brought about the reversal - without you the wall would still be up

Thank you to those who posted interesting information about the Villages - our Villages. Even when you take away the misinformation, the back-biting and the repetition there was a lot of factual stuff that people posted, and I, for one, learned more about The Villages in a week than I had in a long time

And, as others have already said, we're not quite done yet. We must let the powers-that-be know at Monday's meeting that this sort of behavior must never happen again. We are part of the reason for the success of The Villages, not just the developer, and WE deserve to be consulted before any major actions such as blocking access routes are put into effect.

Congratulations, good people!

I have been reading and trying to keep up with this thread all week, but you folks have been so busy posting that it's dang near impossible. I have read many speculations and suppositions as to why "The Wall" was erected. I don't know if it was within this tread or another one, but I am of the opinion that it was erected and now the gate is going to be erected because of the proposed purchase of the property south of CR466A. The City of Fruitland Park is supposed to be voting whether to allow The Villages to purchase the land across from Burke's Barbecue. They were hoping that their residents would have access via golf cart path to Colony's Publix grocery store. They were told by the developer that that will not be the case. I'm thinking that is why the "hole in the wall" over on the historic section was plugged. That way the developer can say that no outsiders are allowed to utilize the cart paths that are paid for and maintained by The Villages residents maintenance fees.

Now, I know some people are going to say that anyone (over the age of 25) can come and rent a cart and use our paths. That's true, but I firmly believe that part of that rental fee is going to the developer for the maintenance of the paths, whether directly or indirectly.

are you including businesses that rent carts and are not affiliated with the villages kicking back a part of their rental fee for that path maintenance?

What everyone should really worry about is that this Murray Construction has attempted to file for demolition to build a single family home on this site!!!!

No, I was primarily thinking of The Villages Golf Cart Store. Probably most of the rentals you are referring to are to people that are renting houses and, therefore, have maintenance fees paid. I don't know if any of those rent by the day like the golf cart store does.

On the other post about the wall there is an uploaded document Resolution 98-106. It indicates that the land belonged to Lady Lake and they vacated it and gave it to Leesburg Regional Medical Center for the purpose of use as a Golf Cart Path. I don't believe based on the document that they will get a permit to build anything. They will be able to make a movie about this after this is all over.

I read that as saying that the Leesburg RMC owned the property and vacated it to the Town for use as a golf cart path. The Developer, therefore, was trespassing and incurs all costs!

Who is Murray Construction? Do they own the property? If not how can they apply for a permit to demolish the wall and build a home on land that they do not own? Something doesn't sound right about that story.

if it is the same as this murray construction it just might be fictitious!
Murray Construction - Florida Company Profile (People Search and Company Search)

did a bing search - you try google - murray construction, florida. thanx

....I do hope you are kidding us ....

that right there IS funny...

.... "shore nuff' that company has a fictitious name.

:a20:

.....just checked >>>> .... "Villages of Lake-Sumter Inc."....<<<<<

OMG.. even that entity has a fictitious name.

No way....
The over 100 "Morse" family businesses are just a bunch of fictitious names.

...say it isn't so.

A business with a "fictitious business name" is a real, live business. "Fictitious" refers to naming a business something other than the registered business name:

From Register Your Fictitious or "Doing Business As" (DBA) Name | SBA.gov :

"A fictitious name (or assumed name, trade name or DBA name) is a business name that is different from your personal name, the names of your partners or the officially registered name of your LLC or corporation."

Bill :)

For those that do not know yet THE WALL HAS BEEN REMOVED
 

Apparently, TV did not have a permit to build wall, so he has lost this round. I spoke to the police who were there when it was being removed and asked if a gate was going to be put up instead and he said I doubt it as all roads in all of the villages, including Orange Blossom, are PUBLIC access.

Another opinion....................from a cop. ??

Take a look at this company: Murray Construction in The Villages

That appears to be a real company to me.

I would think that if he is working for Mr Morse he can certainly apply for permits.

Is this the Murray Construction with John Wise as the CFO?

This is not a done deal. Just because RMS owns the property today does not mean that they won't sell it tomorrow. There are no proviso's in the Vacate document that prevents this. Lady Lake needs to take action to make an easement there.

The document was confusing to me. Typical lawyer stuff. Either way it does not belong to the developer. My best guess is it will remain a Cart Path and there will be no gate. But what do I know I've been wrong once before in my life.

I doubt that they would sell to someone who is trying to close it down.

John Wise works for Gary Morse and his wife is Connie Duff Wise who owns State Farm

The resolution to vacate was simply a process by which the town examined the proposed plan to convert the land into a golf cart thoroughfare and to establish the fact that the town had no intended use for that lot for supporting town utilities or other such usage.

Ownership of the lot did not change hands as a result of the approval of the resolution back in 1998. As of this writing it is still owned by Gary Morse’s company. And if the VHA’s proposal is accepted by Morse, ownership will passed over to the VCCDD which is totally controlled by guess who, why mister Gary Morse. But at that point, any liability issues would be the responsibility of the VCCDD which is funded by amenity revenue.

And as for the permit requested by Murray Construction, my guess is that they were the company that was assigned by Morse to take down the wall and they attempted to file for the permit as a formality in the process.

Thanks for the info. Seems like you always have the correct insight.

Thanks A Lot Berlin Wall Protesters
 

I want to thank those Berlin Wall protesters for getting out there and bringing unwanted attention to those outside The Villages that will use any and I mean, the most minuscule tidbit to mock The Villages. You managed all by yourself to make a laughing stock out of The Villages.

Perhaps if you thought with your brains rather than emotions you could have quietly gone bout working through proper channels to get this issue resolved.

If a gate goes up, I predict it will be one with a high frequency of accidental trauma. Get those gate cameras ready. And who will be paying to repair and replace those gates, we know the answer. I don't understand what Mr Morse's objection, if it is the reason, to having residents of F. Park come and shop at Colony via golf cart may be. The additional wear and tear of a few thousand extra people on the paths is minimal. There is no liability from reasonable use and the risk of liability from poor design or maintenance would apply for villagers not just visitors.

Thanks Ed, in my case I'm learning a little information is a dangerous thing.

and perhaps not, rubicon.

i learned long ago not to judge people or their actions - for they all have a reason important to them for what they do and think. mine is not to reason why - but to try to understand if i choose to and simply insure that i am not injured by their actions/thoughts.

declaring that people did not think with their brains is a most demeaning statement in my book of judgements. i am sorry to see you post such a statement.

i do believe that the actions of villagers and non-villagers was sufficient, for all who watched and listened, to let them know that we are not a group who will lie back and take it and wait for something to happen - but that villagers can be motivated when they deem it necessary to take action.

and, to me, that attitude is not one that makes them a laughng stock..nor is it an attitude by which we should be embarrassed.