BK,
Another question. Looking at Google Maps, it appears the wall runs around the medical offices and along 441 rather than continuing behind the homes on Paradise Dr. Is that correct? If it is, does that not indicate the wall may have been constructed by the owner of that property?

I'm not denying the developer may have been involved, but I am uncomfortable with the rapidity with which some attach various nefarious schemes to anything that is done around here. I understand this is a MAJOR inconvenience to residents there. Thankfully, they can still access grocery and other services via cart, just not their preferred ones.

I agree with those that suggest getting the POA informed of this. I would not waste time with the VHA as its ties with the developer preclude an outcome in favor of residents if the developer built it.

read post 106.....never assume anything.

I still think that there is an easement there! We need to find out if a building permit was issued to put up the wall ( I know from experience that you can't build on easement) If no permit was issued then that is a concern for city or county officials. If there was a permit we can find out who owns the property.

I hate the amount of traffic going along Morse - to whom should I apply to have a wall built across it?

..and the people living next to the path that leads to the post office. Better wall that one off too. We don't need our mail anymore than apparently we need groceries or medical care.

My guess is that they are trying to keep us in.

If they had wanted us to continue benefiting from using outside businesses, while preventing non-Villagers from entering TV, they could have put in card-operated barriers.

Maybe we should petition for a golf cart crossing at Buenos Aires?

morse isn't a residential street with driveways...this whole conversation is digressing into an immature rant.

It seems to me that Harbor Chase has put this wall up due to liability reasons , and not the Morse's. The facility will have Alzheimer patients as well as other residents, so I could see a major problem if any of those patients got "lost' into TV's (via the trail, and/or an accident re;the golf carts driving on their property. Just imagine all the major $$$$$ lawsuits against Harbor Chase.

I swear. We leave the bubble to go up north for a few days and this stuff happens. I've used that access many times.the design and construction of it appeared to be permanment but apparrently not now.

but does it not bill itself as "Villages Accessible" on the hoarding?

I should think having access to a golf cart community would be considerably safer than having to use 441 to get anywhere

The places that were cut off were NOT on Villages property. You live in The Villages. No place in The Villages was affected. Get over it!

I'm referring to the residents that will be patients at Harbor Chase and their safety due to the public having access to their property. I don't know if they advertised "golf cart accessible' and if they did so in error, their Insurance Co. could've put a clause in their policy to not allow that. Seems to me that's what's going on here.

Closing
 

The wall is on Village property and matches the existing wall.
We will not "get over it". However we will get around it. I saw many carts this morning finding new ways and there is a new sign closer to Boone Gate.
In the interest of safety the path should be reopened.
Remember...the way we ..on the "prehistoric side" ..are treated can and will happen elsewhere.

My freedom of movement and of choice is affected, I'm not giving up without a fight!

Ownership of Property
 

You can find the owner of any parcel in Sumter County at

www.sumtergis.com

This also shows the boundaries of each parcel. (and for those who like to "gather information," you can find the last selling price for any parcel.)

Is the location in question in Lake Co.?

I'm one who is directly affected. I live on the historic side. I don't have a car (gave it to my daughter since I didn't need it). I frequent Lowe's almost weekly for my business. I love Taki's gyros. Most importantly, my grandson loves to ride the "bouncy" path and how do I explain to a 4 YO that we can't go there anymore? To say I am upset is putting it mildly.

I'll find a way around it; probably not as safe and definitely not as convenient, but necessity makes things happen.

I will be on the phone Monday to get some answers. I'm not a Morse fan and this just gives me one more reason to not root for the family. I don't think it was to force us to use the other Wal-Mart or other stores (which is not on Villages' property). So far as I know, Morse doesn't make money from any of the stores on the strip malls (which includes Publix). I do think there are probably liability issues but those issues were always there.

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if one day the street to Colony was closed to golf cart traffic. It is a huge liability issue. If this happens, here's hoping someone will have the foresight to give those residents south of 466A another golf cart accessible means to get to places. Sadly, this has not happened in the case of this closure.

a 20 year old villages access point WAS shut down with minimal and no public notice posting. the villages and villagers WERE impacted - adversely! any lack of understanding of that is seriously disappointing.

Now this makes sense. The previous 100+ posts are nothing more than rants, assumptions, wild ass guesses.............................

If I still lived in TV, I would be on the phone to inquire w/Harbor Chase to see if it's related to them and ask if there's a "option 2" plan in the works...

Wow..talk about cold and heartless. Are you a Morse by any chance?

What about all the people who don't drive cars and relied on their carts to get them to groceries, doctor's etc over there? Or are you just to cold hearted to give a damn? Obviously you do not live over here and are not affected therefore you couldn't care less. If all you're going to do is throw snide remarks at those of us who ARE affected by this then I suggest you stay out of this conversation and leave it for those of us who are truly inconvenienced by this selfish move.

Are you assuming it was the Morses by chance?
Are there any real facts, other than a wall was constructed?

Redwitch, my info about the developer getting a piece of the profits came from this thread:
https://www.talkofthevillages.com/fo...-publix-74506/

And do you know how those facts could be published? In a front page story in the Daily Sun explaining what happened and why, instead of constructing a wall under the cover of darkness and giving no explanation.

This should be a wake-up call to any prospective buyers about how things are run here in The Villages.

Really?

Nope. However, based on the number of guesses there is a remote chance one of them will be right.

The facts are a wall was built, it inconveniences a lot of people on both sides and those it does not effect are upset because it sends a signal that they too could one day be the victim of similar actions.

Meantime we take this opportunity to take pot shots at numerous targets including each other.

According to my friend who works at The Sun, I was told it all has to do with the feud between Morse and the Harbor Chase owner. Harbor Chase advertised "golf cart friendly" and Morse didn't like that so up goes the wall.

I live south of 466a and I drive up to Aldi's and Lowes in my golf cart. Many home owners from the Historical side do not have cars. These are the people that helped build The Villages. They can no longer go to their banks and other businesses on 441. Do the businesses know of this closure? They should be informed due to the fact that they will lose alot of money. This is a sad day for us golf carters. I also heard BK's rumor. I know that the owner of the assisted living put in a great golf cart path. How will his new tenents get to The Villages? Oh, wait - maybe that was the purpose!!! Bad business and it leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

Wonder what this will do to home values and ease of selling in the historic side.
Can't be good for them...

[quote=orgunvs;723793]I live south of 466a and I drive up to Aldi's and Lowes in my golf cart. Many home owners from the Historical side do not have cars. These are the people that helped build The Villages. They can no longer go to their banks and other businesses on 441. Do the businesses know of this closure? They should be informed due to the fact that they will lose alot of money. This is a sad day for us golf carters. I also heard BK's rumor. I know that the owner of the assisted living put in a great golf cart path. How will his new tenents get to The Villages? Oh, wait - maybe that was the purpose!!! Bad business and it leaves a bad taste in my mouth.[/quote]




But what would be the point? The advantage to the Morses? The purpose for doing this? Surely no one really thinks just to throw their weight around. Or do they?

I did not realize that Buttonwood is south of 466a. How long does it take to golf cart from south of 466a to Aldi's?

If this is true, this is a major problem for us. My wife works at Aldi and does not drive. She uses that gate five times a week. There is also another girl that lives over here that works there and does not drive.

I would think that closing that gate would be very detrimental to Lowes, Aldi, Wal-Mart and all of the other businesses over there.

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One way may be that those currently planning to move into Harbor Chase, on the basis that they could access shops and restaurants in TV, will now be persuaded to move into a Villages-owned assisted living center instead.

And if it is a long-running feud between the two "property magnates" then scoring points is probably more important than earning another million. Money isn't everything, especially if you have plenty of it.

I agree with this post in that it is the only logical conclusion. The other businesses have been there for quite some time and only when a new assisted living facility goes in, the wall goes up. It is rather obvious that the developer wants to have the only golf cart accessible assisted living facilities and is more than willing to greatly inconvenience us to further his bottom line. The same thing happened to the assisted living facilities north of WalMart on the 466 - signs went up saying no golf carts beyond this point and the church was told to keep their gate closed that provided access. We have a friend who is a doctor in the offices back there and he told us the church was threatened with the gate being permanently locked unless they agreed to only open it when the church was being used.

I moved, like a true Villager. From Fernandina to Aldi's it takes about 45 minutes. I love the drive and it saves gas.

For the people on the other side that are interested, the gate is between 1155 and 1159 Paradise Dr. I exits into a medical facility which I understand is owned by the Villages. Beyond that medical facility is a new assisted care facility which is still under construction. Past the assisted care facility, there is a dirt road about 200 yards long that runs beside a water retention pond, behind the Internet Cafe and some other businesses. The dirt road empties into Lowe's parking lot.

For us in this area and some on the other side of 27/441 this is the way that we get to Lowes, Aldi, Wal-Mart and several other small businesses.
From what I'm hearing, Gary Morse has had some kind of dispute with the owner of the new assisted living facility. Morse has built an assisted living facility of his own somewhere near 466a. Some people think that this is to steer people to his facility instead of his competitor. Personally, I think that it has to be something else. There is certainly enough business for several assisted living facilities. My understanding is that there was some kind of dispute in the past between Mr Morse and the owner of the new facility. It sounds like some kind of personal problem.

Not only is this going to affect so many of us that live on this side, but it is also going to adversely affect those businesses on the other side. I would think that Wal-Mart, Lowe's, Aldi, Firehouse Subs and all of those businesses might want to get together and see if something can be done. That along with pressure from the residents may get this changed.

I heard someone mention today, that that cart path was there when most of us bought our houses. We bought houses with the understanding that we'd be able to have golf cart access to those businesses on the other side of that gate. We may have some sort of legal standing on that basis if it comes down to that.

Button wood is not south of 466a.

I'd say that it would take the better part of 45 minutes to get from 466a to Aldi

U mess with the bull U get da horns!


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Can a golf cart pathway be built along 441 like it is on sections of 466 and 466A?? That seems to me like a plausible solution to this mess.

Yes, but...

Each and all of the property owners along this stretch of road would have to grant permanent easements (some of whom may or may not love The Developer)

And, someone would have to pay for the actual construction.