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orgunvs 08-13-2013 04:49 PM
The wall
 
Spent over 1 hr at THE WALL today. I only stopped by to sign the petition but ended up helping out. Way too hot out. I met MANY of the local residents that are directly effected by the closer. Many very sad stories and they are very frightened over the closer. These are not whiners but original residents that not longer can drive a car or afford car insurance. One lady had tears in her eyes because she had a Dr.s appointment and couldn't get through. Yes. She could have called a taxi if she knew about the closer but she was going to be late and this really upset her. I met at least 15 people that had no car. When you are elderly just getting through the day is hard without this extreme stress. Had they known ahead of time, they could have changed their banks and their Dr.s. They feel betrayed and I don't blame them. This is a life changing problem for them. We all need to help.

Justjac 08-13-2013 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by TVMayor (Post 725139)
I would suggest a group of Demonstrators show up Friday, August 16th 3pm to 5pm in the area of Gilchrist Rec Center on Pinellas PL &Dafoe Ter to be viewed by the guest of the new Designer Model Home Center. I will be in attendance at the center to view the reaction.

http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/i...psc69b5dab.jpg
TV Mayor...I like your way of thinking.

I would also suggest that along with pickets, a good old-fashioned boycott of Village businesses might cause some to realize that "little people" do have strength in numbers.... For just one week, go outside the confines of your village and spend your money elsewhere...

I know this "Boycott" suggestion will draw some nasty responses... but having read all 500+ posts on this golf-cart crossing... my money won't be spent in the Villages until some respect is shown to its residents.

Stumpknockers here I come! Aldi's, Leesburg or Belleville for groceries...Ocala for entertainment.... there is life beyond the Villages.

Russ_Boston 08-13-2013 05:11 PM
I'm sure the whole 'great wall' issue has to do with liability somewhere. Someone must have gotten sued (or a suit had been threatened) so Morse had no choice but to block the 'invite' (the path leading to the wall) onto someone else's property. It would be the same for any property owner over there. The core problem is always money somehow.

Dr Winston O Boogie jr 08-13-2013 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by EdV (Post 725126)
Winston, not sure what documents you were looking at but you need to use the Lake and Sumter on-line property appraiser GIS system.

The "Concrete Curtain" is along the border between the two counties. I just can't tell which one and whether it's on Morse's plot or the medical center's plot.
I meant doctors, when I said doc. The medical center, Lowes and Aldi are all listed in the phone book and online as having addresses in Lady Lake.

Look at the Google Earth photo that I posted.

Dr Winston O Boogie jr 08-13-2013 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Russ_Boston (Post 725405)
I'm sure the whole 'great wall' issue has to do with liability somewhere. Someone must have gotten sued (or a suit had been threatened) so Morse had no choice but to block the 'invite' (the path leading to the wall) onto someone else's property. It would be the same for any property owner over there. The core problem is always money somehow.
That could very well be, but as has been brought up many times in this thread, the residents could have some warning and and explanation. If that is the case, I would understand. I would be disappointed and unhappy, but I would understand and accept that it.

But, even now, four days after the event with people very upset, demonstrations taking place, media stories and petitions being signed whoever put up the wall still hasn't explained it.

Like I said either explain what is going on or take it down.

bkcunningham1 08-13-2013 05:24 PM
I agree. We are adults. It would be nice to be treated with enough respect to have been warned about the closure. Even if it was just something in the Daily Sun and on the radio saying it was being closed permanently with an explanation. We don't have to agree with the reason, or even like it. But it would have been nice (and would be nice now after the fact) if Mr. Morse had, at the very least, treated the residents of this community with enough dignity and respect to tell us what is going on. That isn't asking too much.

Dr Winston O Boogie jr 08-13-2013 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by EdV (Post 725126)
Winston, not sure what documents you were looking at but you need to use the Lake and Sumter on-line property appraiser GIS system.

The "Concrete Curtain" is along the border between the two counties. I just can't tell which one and whether it's on Morse's plot or the medical center's plot.
I looked at the online county maps and it would appear as you say that the wall is very close to the county line. I am perplex as to why those businesses that I mention have addresses in Lady Lake.

Russ_Boston 08-13-2013 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr (Post 725411)
That could very well be, but as has been brought up many times in this thread, the residents could have some warning and and explanation. If that is the case, I would understand. I would be disappointed and unhappy, but I would understand and accept that it.

But, even now, four days after the event with people very upset, demonstrations taking place, media stories and petitions being signed whoever put up the wall still hasn't explained it.

Like I said either explain what is going on or take it down.
I never put much stock in the old "It's not that I got fired - it was the say they did it" theory. The bottom line is that you're out of work and you're very mad about it. Or in this case you run into a wall and have to find a way around it. The one thing we know is that they didn't spend money and time to put it up for no reason. The lands (most of them) on the other side of the wall don't belong to the TV development.

What if I wanted to make a path from Colony plaza over the Burke's BBQ only a few parcels away? Can't be done without going onto private property. Why would this Historic Path to private property be any different? By having that little outlet (where the wall is) the TV developer is basically saying "I invite all of you to bring your cart onto private property past our boundaries". Liability waiting to happen and I'll be that the issue is either future liability, or a current law suit for liability, or possible money grab by one of the private parties and Morse won't pay. You KNOW it's money.

bkcunningham1 08-13-2013 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Russ_Boston (Post 725418)
I never put much stock in the old "It's not that I got fired - it was the say they did it" theory. The bottom line is that you're out of work and you're very mad about it. Or in this case you run into a wall and have to find a way around it.
Your example would work and make sense if someone got fired without any explanation. How would you feel if you went into the hospital and they said you didn't have a job and everyone who you spoke with said they didn't know anything about it? How would you feel if they refused to give you any explanation? I imagine you'd want, at the very least, an explanation. It just adds insult to injury to not be given the time of day and treated as something insignificant.

Rickg 08-13-2013 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Arctic Fox (Post 725293)
Let us assume that the closure has been forced upon the developer for whatever reason - liability risk, request from third party, whatever.

How would a good businessman handle this situation?

(A) He could advise the 70,000 people in his development of the closure well ahead of time, via notices and articles in his daily newspaper, saying how sorry he is that many people will be inconvenienced; explaining why it has to happen, and assuring us that he is looking for a solution so that we will not be inconvenienced for too long.

or

(B) He could send in contractors at 6 am on a Saturday morning to build the wall without any prior notice, refuse his employees and his newspaper permission to say anything about it and ensure that, even three days after the wall goes up, no one has any real information as to why it happened.

I'm sorry, but (B) is not the correct answer, so either the developer is losing it as a businessman or the closure wasn't forced upon him.
I agree. Very bad public relations not to Address this, unless there is NO good reason for the closure.

bkcunningham1 08-13-2013 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr (Post 725417)
I looked at the online county maps and it would appear as you say that the wall is very close to the county line. I am perplex as to why those businesses that I mention have addresses in Lady Lake.
This shows the boundaries of the 32159 zip code which includes Lady Lake. Zip Code Finder and Boundary Map.

Halibut 08-13-2013 06:01 PM
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How would you feel if you went into the hospital and they said you didn't have a job and everyone who you spoke with said they didn't know anything about it? How would you feel if they refused to give you any explanation? I imagine you'd want, at the very least, an explanation.
And when you tried to get to the HR Dept. for an answer, the corridor was blocked. So you went a different way and got permission from someone to let you in via their door, but the next day that door had also been blocked. Then you tried to get access through an unlocked window, but fellow employees hissed at you and called you names for leaving bootprints in their flowerbeds, and the police gave you a warning citation. Shame on you! Why do you think you deserve an answer! NO ONE PROMISED YOU A JOB. Ask a neighbor to drive you around and look for another one. Too bad, so sad.

buggyone 08-13-2013 06:11 PM
Well, from all the negative feelings about The Villages, it looks as though the real estate agents will be having a field day in getting new listings.

merled 08-13-2013 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by bkcunningham1 (Post 722868)
Driving on Paradise Drive in the Historic Side this afternoon, we noticed signs and gates at the entrance to the path that goes all the way to Lowe's and Walmart along st. Rt. 441. The sign says: Construction Alert! This path will be closed at 6 a.m. Saturday August 10.

The gates will block entry from Paradise to the path that TV maintains which has pavers and lights. It goes into the parking lot for several medical offices before going through the recently paved path by the new assisted living facility and onto Lowe's.

Curious as to what was going on, I called someone I know who works for the VCDD and was told that the Villages Hospital owns the property and the powers-that-be are closing access to golf carts to that area permanently. Why? I don't know.

I am very upset and confused. Does anyone know anything more about this? Not only will it prevent Villagers from going by cart to many, many businesses and doctors' offices, it will prevent people in the other neighboring developments from coming into TV on their golf carts.

Why?

closing1_zps0cf58468.jpg Photo by bkcunningham1 | Photobucket
Many carts are crossing illegally 441 and going to get hurt or killed. The Villages seems to be getting worse rather than better as a friendly home town! Sorry but true. To make matters worse we the owners are not given rime or reason and possible action plans. Very Sad indeed.

vitacr 08-13-2013 06:18 PM
I was there at 4pm today & signed a petition that is going around. Heard it has something to do with a feud between Mr. a the new assisted living building owner....................??????? Someone wrote graffiti on it "Mr Morse take down this wall" - it was painted over when found the next day. Look on Facebook - The Villages Book has it posted. I'm sure we'll hear a lot more on this - it affects too many people including Stonecrest folks.


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