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GrumpyOldMan 07-30-2021 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by John41 (Post 1980874)
Washington Post
Two new variants in Florida
Carlos Migoya, CEO of Jackson Health System, told WPLG in Miami earlier this week that the B.1.621 variant has accounted for about 10 percent of coronavirus patients, trailing behind delta, the now-dominant variant in the United States that has been ravaging the nation’s unvaccinated, and the gamma variant. B.1.621 has yet to receive a Greek-letter designation as more prominent variants have.
Thank you, I will be looking into that. Sounds like more bad news.

drducat 07-30-2021 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan (Post 1980885)
Thank you, I will be looking into that. Sounds like more bad news.
Gee only 125,000 plus breakthrough cases of the vaccinated...Hmmm I still have the rumblings on my keyboard of that. In other words told ya...:popcorn:

Breakthrough Covid cases are on the rise among the vaccinated

golfing eagles 07-30-2021 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan (Post 1980882)
That is an interesting spin, I assume it is your spin and not CDCs. You are giving value to not being vaccinated without knowing the specifics.

And the vaccine is a vaccine against the original variant and not DELTA. That is like taking the polio vaccine and getting chickenpox and blaming the vaccine.

In addition, the vaccine still provided benefits to the people that caught the DELTA variant.
And it's worse than that. There is no way he can claim the unvaccinated did better without knowing how many vaccinated and unvaccinated were in the crowd. Geez, if jumping to conclusions were an Olympic sport, he would win gold.

Irishmen 07-30-2021 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan (Post 1980882)
That is an interesting spin, I assume it is your spin and not CDCs. You are giving value to not being vaccinated without knowing the specifics.

And the vaccine is a vaccine against the original variant and not DELTA. That is like taking the polio vaccine and getting chickenpox and blaming the vaccine.

In addition, the vaccine still provided benefits to the people that caught the DELTA variant.
How more specific can one be either your jabbed or your not? There is no gray area.

billethkid 07-30-2021 05:29 PM
I find the media reporting to be managed and incomplete.
No comparisons of what is currently going on VS the past 12 months....

Percentages say NOTHING!!!!! Headline....cases double this week....(ok last week there were 4) now there are 8....but the cases doubled....example only...pick a number/% you like.

What does new case mean.....how many had no symptoms?...vaccinated? Not vaccinated?...how many survived?

and on and on.

The report from the CDC at least provides a perspective that the media chooses not to pursue:

COVID Data Tracker Weekly Review | CDC

TNLAKEPANDA 07-30-2021 06:09 PM
Live your life… there is not enough left to live in fear!

graciegirl 07-30-2021 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 1980891)
I find the media reporting to be managed and incomplete.
No comparisons of what is currently going on VS the past 12 months....

Percentages say NOTHING!!!!! Headline....cases double this week....(ok last week there were 4) now there are 8....but the cases doubled....example only...pick a number/% you like.

What does new case mean.....how many had no symptoms?...vaccinated? Not vaccinated?...how many survived?

and on and on.

The report from the CDC at least provides a perspective that the media chooses not to pursue:

COVID Data Tracker Weekly Review | CDC
I have always had faith in Johns Hopkins ongoing statistics about this Pandemic.

Home - Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Center

GrumpyOldMan 07-30-2021 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1980919)
I have always had faith in Johns Hopkins ongoing statistics about this Pandemic.

Home - Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Center
I completely agree

Papa_lecki 07-30-2021 08:01 PM
Cape Cod times, June 28, the week before the super spreader event. 74% of Cape Codders are vaccinated.
Cape Cod high COVID vaccine rate reduce risk of Delta variant outbreak

“A doctor and a university expert on COVID-19 say that Cape Codders are in a good position to fend off the highly contagious Delta variant given the region’s high rate of vaccination against the coronavirus.”

Maybe the COVID experts don’t know what they’re talking about?


0 deaths
5 people hospitalized, 4 vaccinated, 1 not
74% of the infected were vaccinate 26% not.

graciegirl 07-30-2021 08:04 PM
Delta Variant is not just in the U.S.

Soaring rates in France now, too. France now in 4th wave of COVID due to Delta cases soaring, says PM Jean Castex | Euronews

U.K. is doing a little better than us. They have their 70% vaccinated.

CFrance 07-30-2021 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan (Post 1980828)
Uh, NO it means that they are clued. They have stated that things are changing that as new information becomes available they will update the recommendations.

It never ceases to amaze me how people can demand that experts never change their mind no matter what. That sounds not very smart to me.
I agree.

GrumpyOldMan 07-30-2021 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Papa_lecki (Post 1980933)
Cape Cod times, June 28, the week before the super spreader event. 74% of Cape Codders are vaccinated.
Cape Cod high COVID vaccine rate reduce risk of Delta variant outbreak

“A doctor and a university expert on COVID-19 say that Cape Codders are in a good position to fend off the highly contagious Delta variant given the region’s high rate of vaccination against the coronavirus.”

Maybe the COVID experts don’t know what they’re talking about?


0 deaths
5 people hospitalized, 4 vaccinated, 1 not
74% of the infected were vaccinate 26% not.
Hmm, science is not about BEING right all the time - leave that requirement at church.

Science is about finding the truth, and being willing to say, oh darn, we were wrong and here is better information.

Escape Artist 07-30-2021 09:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Papa_lecki (Post 1980933)
Cape Cod times, June 28, the week before the super spreader event. 74% of Cape Codders are vaccinated.
Cape Cod high COVID vaccine rate reduce risk of Delta variant outbreak

“A doctor and a university expert on COVID-19 say that Cape Codders are in a good position to fend off the highly contagious Delta variant given the region’s high rate of vaccination against the coronavirus.”

Maybe the COVID experts don’t know what they’re talking about?


0 deaths
5 people hospitalized, 4 vaccinated, 1 not
74% of the infected were vaccinate 26% not.
The Delta variant, formerly known as the UK variant, is thought to be more contagious but not more virulent than the original COVID-19. I think the news from Cape Cod is good rather than bad in terms of the vaccinated being protected somewhat from the full impact of the variant and also the hospitalization/death numbers are encouraging. That's what matters right? Not that people are getting a virus, but they aren't suffering from its most severe effects.

GrumpyOldMan 07-30-2021 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Escape Artist (Post 1980949)
The Delta variant, formerly known as the UK variant, is thought to be more contagious but not more virulent than the original COVID-19. I think the news from Cape Cod is good rather than bad in terms of the vaccinated being protected somewhat from the full impact of the variant and also the hospitalization/death numbers are encouraging. That's what matters right? Not that people are getting a virus, but they aren't suffering from its most severe effects.
I agree, it was a mixed bag, but IF vaccines are mitigating the virus results, that is a very good thing.

Swoop 07-30-2021 09:34 PM
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Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan (Post 1980941)
Hmm, science is not about BEING right all the time - leave that requirement at church.

Science is about finding the truth, and being willing to say, oh darn, we were wrong and here is better information.
So if you hear:
Oh darn, we were wrong about the safety of the vaccines…
But now that we see the results of the largest vaccine trial in history we have better information…
Oops - our mistake - sorry…
But that’s science…


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