If that happens, run. The apocalypse is upon us and he's about to steal all your booze. Zombies are bad enough, can you imagine DRUNK zombies? *Shudder*.

It's the era of superbugs as they predicted I reckon. Vaccines, like the flu shot and Covid 19, can only fully work for 'last year's' virus. I for one will continue to social distance as much as possible because variants will find a way to infect and kill immunocompromised people. But even with distancing precaution (except with my Boo) I will still enjoy my life to the fullest.

If you tested positive and went back for multiple additional tests, the CDC had no problem reporting every positive test as a new case. But they couldn’t “reliably” report breakthrough cases…
Is that what you’re saying…

Testing has dropped because many who get it who are vaccinated do not have symptoms.

And the CDC doesn’t want vaccinated people tested.
“People who have been fully vaccinated against COVID-19 don’t need to be tested regularly or quarantine, even after being exposed to someone who was sick,”

CDC: Fully Vaccinated Can Skip Routine COVID Testing

469 Ma residents?
 

Nowhere in the CDC article does it state all 469 were from Ma. In all likelihood they came from all over NE. This is Cape Cod here tourists flock for the summer L

I believe what ever the government says because they would not lie unless it would be in there best interests to lie! Money & power and unquenchable greed are prime motivators!
Illegals can stream in through opened borders then are transported into the heartland but Americans must quarantine and wear masks! Sure that makes sense?
Absolute power created absolute corruption

You are obviously no scientist. I am not either but I understand answers to the problems we have with Covid and variants are done by trial and error. If scientists say, “This vaccination will not hurt you and will help prevent death from Covid”, then I’ll be in line to get a shot. You don’t agree? Fine. We won’t hear you complain if you end up on a ventilator or worse.

Absolute power can create absolute corruption. When has that ever occurred in the U.S.? Get real.

And those 469 were NOT all from Ma!!! Which means any large influx of people in any state does not bode well.

:bigbow:

The facts
 

Yet Four of the five people who were hospitalized in this outbreak were vaccinated. No one died.

The virus has been politicized so I do not KNOW what to accept as truth and neither does anyone else.
They have become tyrants, trying to force people to take the shot.
Lying to the public on a continuous basis does not encourage TRUST.
Let everyone make their own choice.
Stop insulting people because they disagree with you.
You got the shot, what are you worried about?

The vaxxed don’t care
 

Personally I don’t care if you do not get the vaccine. Your problem don’t ask us to keep you safe though. Yes we might transmit it but if you have the vaccine what does it matter ??

This area of the country is one of the highest vaccinated populations. Sadly, this variant can "break through" quite easily. It makes sense that there are so many fully vaccinated getting the strain, given the high percentage of vaccinated residents. What frightens me so (and I wear a mask indoors always even as vaccinated) is that the spread of this will cause mutations that the vaccine will not work on. Please, wear a mask. Stop this awful thing. It's science and the scientists are learning as they go. The best defense is to stop the spread.. period.

The health department’s regularly check the sewage waste plants to access the data on diseases found
in human waste and if there is an
epidemic in the community. Data
does provide a warning of an outbreak of diseases.

Be careful to not mix issues and blame.

Focus on the fact that this Delta Variant is making people sick who are fully vaccinated in France and Germany and U.K. and Denmark and Belgium and The Netherlands, and Russia and Algeria and Egypt and Peru and New Zealand and Japan and all over everywhere. The little virus ******* is just going at it.

Add to this that there were 0 deaths and only 5 hospitalized.

It gets less awful as it mutates. As most viruses do.

Exactly.. bring on the un-vaccinated to one of the highest vaccinated populations in the country and you have it. Breakthroughs. Who's going to get it... that highly vaccinated population. The numbers have to be put into context.

You might bring a thermometer and check the temperatures of the vaccines so you can be more accurate in your misinformation you are believing in and spreading
fear for no apparent reason other than getting attention. Silly .

Really... why is the Delta variant worse than the original???

You may find this article interesting. It would explain why there are breakthrough cases in those who have been vaccinated. by Dr. Joseph Mercola. Originally posted on mercola.com

Will COVID-19 Vaccines Drive Mutated Variants?

Please explain the proper context?

When one realizes the spike protein produced by the mRNA is the toxin it will be too late. Condolences in advance...

Baaaaaaaaaa
 

The perceptions people have is dumbfounding. You find out that breakthrough cases hit vaccinated higher and unvaccinated got it as well. Both had the same levels and none died. You take those facts and start talking about "it wasn't MA residents" or "It's doing it's job"... "No deaths proves it works". I don't think I've ever seen this level of stupid in my life. The vaccine didn't help those people- that's a fact. The unvaccinated didn't die and now don't need a vaccine because they have natural immunities for life- that's a fact. The virus is less deadly than your fear- that's a fact. You took the vaccination so you probably have some form of blood clotting as I'm writing this- that's a fact. Keep propagating to yourself that everyone needs the vaccine and you are the bigger better person because you blindly followed fear. Feel good and bash away. Time will tell which side of history you are on and your grandkids that you spew this nonsense to will read the book about it. Unless reading true history is banned by then because of you blind leading the blind. Other than that everything seems just fine in this United States... :pray:

I trust nothing this guy says. He sells dietary supplements and profits from spreading misinformation.

From NYT:
"The Most Influential Spreader of Coronavirus Misinformation Online


Researchers and regulators say Joseph Mercola, an osteopathic physician, creates and profits from misleading claims about Covid-19 vaccines." The Most Influential Spreader of Coronavirus Misinformation Online - The New York Times


Here is a further explanation: ttps://www.fda.gov/inspections-compliance-enforcement-and-criminal-investigations/warning-letters/mercolacom-llc-607133-02182021

Hey Grumpy, holymolly, Oh I did not know that. Geez I thought she left in june not July 1567.

Thanks for the update.

Ok folks, Let the jousting begin. Just keep in mind the CDC report is not misinformation, the CDC report is not deflection, the CDC report is trying to save lives.

Remember, “I would rather be doubly protected today then having a ventilator in my throat tomorrow.”

QUOTE=GrumpyOldMan;1980802]Well, the other "placeholder" thread got 120 offtopic posts, so to avoid being buried in the noise here is the actual report they promised.

NOT GOOD NEWS.

I can't wait to see all the spin and out-of-context quoting and off-topic misinformation.

But, what can we do. This is the information from the CDC, comments on any topic welcome, even a discussion of why the government is lying to us about why Mary Queen of Scotts abdicated the throne on July 24, 1567...


Bad News From CDC - Today: Jul 30, 2021[/QUOTE]

So, I'm avoiding citing network media sources, since the science deniers are also the proponents of the "fake news conspiracies." Here's a little ditty from your favorite network, Fox News:

Louisiana hospitals prepare for surge of COVID-19 patients | Fox News

annnd just in case Fox isn't right-wing conspiracy enough for you, here's a lovely number from the pinnacle of right-side journalism, Breitbart:

The Latest: Louisiana reports high rates of COVID-19 cases - Breitbart

Regardless of which source you believe, and who should've done what a year ago, the facts are the facts.

Covid is on the rise. Hospitalizations are on the rise. Deaths are on the rise. Children needing ventilators are on the rise, and that is actually NEW. Last year children on ventilators happened, but not to the extent they're happening now.

What is also a fact: fewer than 50% of eligible people (12 years old and up with no medical need to refrain) living in Florida are vaccinated.

Also a fact: most people in Florida refuse to wear a mask when indoors in public places.
Also a fact: most people in Florida refuse to socially distance.
Also a fact: the current Covid virus, which is the delta variation, spreads MUCH faster than the previous versions. The delta version didn't previously exist, but it is a mutation from the original. The gamma version already exists and they've seen cases of yet another version in Florida that haven't gotten a greek letter name assigned to it.
Also a fact: because this is a NOVEL coronavirus (meaning new - one they haven't encountered ever before), they have no way to predict HOW it will mutate. The only thing they can predict is that it WILL mutate, as long as it has hosts to mutate on.


If you want to err on the side of caution, you will:
1. get FULLY vaccinated
2. keep a mask in your pocket or purse at all times, so that if you choose to go into a crowded place, you can wear the mask.

That is how you err on the side of caution.

Well said. No one likes to admit they fell for the lie.

lol point#1 Load up on that spike protein...its good for you.

Agree, and the breakthrough infections amongst vaccinated people will never be known as most don’t get tested and if they feel a little off they just chalk it up to an off day or so.

Science or Political Science?

Before 3/19/20 hydroxychloroquine, a drug used by hundreds of millions for RA and antimalarial prevention, was considered safer than aspirin and had very promising results in clinical trials for the treatment of Covid. (based on google search results before this date)

Chloroquine seems to be effective in limiting the replication of SARS-CoV-2 (virus causing COVID-19) in vitro. Conclusions There is rationale, pre-clinical evidence of effectiveness and evidence of safety from long-time clinical use for other indications to justify clinical research on chloroquine in patients with COVID-19.

A systematic review on the efficacy and safety of chloroquine for the treatment of COVID-19

Physicians work out treatment guidelines for coronavirus < Hospital < 기사본문 - KBR

French researcher posts successful Covid-19 drug trial

South Korea experts recommend anti-HIV, anti-malaria drugs for COVID-19 - UPI.com

Coronavirus Covid-19: Chloroquine data; Japan to trial HIV drug

There was very little skepticism by scientist and doctors.

Then virtually overnight it became a dangerous drug and had to be banned. I am sure it had nothing to do with politics.

Not exactly; your claim about counting every new test as a new case is false also.

One of the criticisms of reporting cases is it could not count asymptomatic cases or any other case where the individual did not go in to get tested. That's fairly obvious, you cannot count what you do not see. Likewise with counting positive test results as breakthrough cases, it can only lead to an undercount. If I don't get tested because I've been vaccinated and my symptoms are mild or nonexistent then I wouldn't be counted and the data would not be complete. The count of hospitalizations and deaths, counting actual bodies, is much more accurate.

Look, I realize you are never going to agree no matter what the facts are; I'm not trying to convince you. I'm trying to balance the nonsense and misinformation with what I believe are documented and provable facts.

It had nothing to do with politics and everything to do with using a drug for specific purposes, with specific results.

Sort of like - yes, aspirin can relieve pain and reduce fever. But you don't inject it into your heart if you have chest pains. That'd be bad. Or injecting welbutrin into a bruise on your arm to break up the clot. That'd be really bad.

Hydroxychloroquine has properties that allow it to be effective for certain things. That doesn't mean it's effective OR safe for everything. That's why they determined it was a good idea to RESEARCH it, as you quoted in your own post. They discovered during the start of that research, that it came with some significant risks and were unable to just flat out recommend and release it to the general public.

That is how science works.

[QUOTE=CFrance;1981136]I trust nothing this guy says. He sells dietary supplements and profits from spreading misinformation.

From NYT:
"The Most Influential Spreader of Coronavirus Misinformation Online


Researchers and regulators say Joseph Mercola, an osteopathic physician, creates and profits from misleading claims about Covid-19 vaccines." The Most Influential Spreader of Coronavirus Misinformation Online - The New York Times


Here is a further explanation: ttps://www.fda.gov/inspections-compliance-enforcement-and-criminal-investigations/warning-letters/mercolacom-llc-607133-02182021

Just put it out there for an interesting read. Researchers, government officials and the like regularly try to discredit others who do not agree. It's good to be exposed to all viewpoints in order to make the best informed decision.

So in one day, they determined that it went from a promising drug recommended by all the major health organizations in South Korea to a dangerous remedy? You call that science?

[QUOTE=kendi;1981174]Really. you are suggesting someone might try to profit off of other people's fears and suffering.

Uh, YUP. I completely agree.

As with so many misleading comments, this is sort of true.

MOST mutations do not survive. PERIOD. The next level of mutations are mostly not significant changes, so appear to be the same virus.

The last group of mutations is worse. While they may be the least frequent, they are more aggressive (DELTA is more contagious). If you win the lottery a mutation is more contagious and more dealy, then bad stuff happens worldwide.

The odds of a really bad mutation/variant occurring are slim, but not zero - hence we have DELTA in the first year of this pandemic. The reason we want everyone possible to get a vaccination and to wear masks is to reduce the population of virus spreaders - more people with the virus, more people spreading means more bad mutations are able to find a host to grow and spread from.

If a mutation occurs in the forest and no one is there, it dies. If a mutation occurs at a political rally and 100,000 people are there it has a good chance of finding a moist warm new friendly host to raise its family of millions of clones to share with family, friends, and neighbors - even strangers at the grocery store.

Its called ‘off label use’. It happens all the time.
“Beta-blockers are another example of beneficial off-label prescribing. Such medications are FDA-approved for the treatment of high blood pressure, but are widely recognized by cardiologists as a standard of care for patients with heart failure.“