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Garywt 11-23-2022 09:08 PM

I feel the Villages should employ people whose job is to drive around all day to be sure deed restrictions are being followed.

Laker14 11-24-2022 07:58 AM

it can be a little hard to take seriously a list of restrictions that includes limiting the number of goldfish I can keep in my house, and requires that I notify the developer if I will be vacating my property for more than 7 days, and further, to notify the developer, in writing, of my intended return date.
Hey all of you sticklers, you signed it, you accepted it. I bet none of you do it.

Bill14564 11-24-2022 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Laker14 (Post 2160396)
it can be a little hard to take seriously a list of restrictions that includes limiting the number of goldfish I can keep in my house, and requires that I notify the developer if I will be vacating my property for more than 7 days, and further, to notify the developer, in writing, of my intended return date.
Hey all of you sticklers, you signed it, you accepted it. I bet none of you do it.

I don't believe all homes come with the notification requirements. I cannot find that section in my restrictions.

Laker14 11-24-2022 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2160429)
I don't believe all homes come with the notification requirements. I cannot find that section in my restrictions.

I'm in CDD 5...it's in mine. How about the fish limit?

golfing eagles 11-24-2022 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Laker14 (Post 2160488)
I'm in CDD 5...it's in mine. How about the fish limit?

Guppies or sharks??????:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl: (Yes, yes, I know sharks are elasmobranchii and not fish)

Stu from NYC 11-24-2022 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Garywt (Post 2160311)
I feel the Villages should employ people whose job is to drive around all day to be sure deed restrictions are being followed.

What would the two old biddies do all day?

Altavia 11-24-2022 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Laker14 (Post 2160488)
I'm in CDD 5...it's in mine. How about the fish limit?

No more that two pets allowed.

tuccillo 11-24-2022 03:30 PM

Essentially, the two pet limit is an “inside the house” deed restriction and is enforced by the Developer, who apparently doesn’t enforce “inside the house” deed restriction violations all that often. The CDD will enforce “outside the house” deed restriction violations that are reported.

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Originally Posted by Altavia (Post 2160548)
No more that two pets allowed.


fdpaq0580 11-24-2022 04:54 PM

I have an ant farm. It is a very lonely place. They haven't seen each other for weeks.
🐜 😞 🐜

OrangeBlossomBaby 11-24-2022 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Fastskiguy (Post 2160201)
Thanks for the reply. So are there cases of people being harassed with bogus complaints they have to deal with? Like as in the example above of complaining about a cross and it was just a plant?

I thought it was more stuff like "no sculptures in your landscape features" (not sure if that's even a rule) so that you couldn't put a statue of satan sodomizing a cherub or something like that in front of your house. So if you don't let anybody have the satan statue you can't let anybody have a statue of some birds either. Not sure if what I'm asking even makes sense (sorry)

Joe

Yes, there are people who will submit formal complaints against others, JUST to try and stir up drama. AND there are people who will intentionally violate the rules, JUST to try and stir up drama. Both of these types of people succeed, and so they are encouraged to continue doing it.

As long as they can be 100% anonymous and the authorities not required to know who they are, they'll just keep doing it.

I've submitted complaints against two homes in my neighborhood. I gave my name both times, but one of them made me very nervous to do so. It was someone doing something incredibly shady late at night in their yard, which is across from my yard, and could have caused damage to my yard. The person doing this thing was not the homeowner, but lived in the house. I worried for my safety if they found out I was the one complaining.

The second was just someone who had overgrown grass in some places almost eight inches high, no edging at all, growing through the cracks in their driveway, and weeds covering their yard and vines growing all over their house. Obviously no one was living there so there was no one I could even offer to help. I would've pulled the vines off for them if they were there for me to enquire. I let Community Standards deal with it, and two weeks later it was all cleaned up and has been maintained ever since.

In the first situation - it was risky for me to give my name. In the second, not risky at all. So I can see why being anonymous is an attractive option. However, it shouldn't have to be anonymous to the Community Standards people. In fact it shouldn't be allowed to be anonymous to them. They SHOULD know who is making every single complaint.

But the person I'm complaining ABOUT has no need or reason to know it's me.

Altavia 11-25-2022 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by tuccillo (Post 2160553)
Essentially, the two pet limit is an “inside the house” deed restriction and is enforced by the Developer, who apparently doesn’t enforce “inside the house” deed restriction violations all that often. The CDD will enforce “outside the house” deed restriction violations that are reported.

Interesting.

It's this one example of the ambiguity that make it difficult for some to respect the restrictions.

Oldragbagger 11-25-2022 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Laker14 (Post 2160396)
it can be a little hard to take seriously a list of restrictions that includes limiting the number of goldfish I can keep in my house, and requires that I notify the developer if I will be vacating my property for more than 7 days, and further, to notify the developer, in writing, of my intended return date.
Hey all of you sticklers, you signed it, you accepted it. I bet none of you do it.

I can’t imagine goldfish are actually considered pets. They fall more into the category of home decor.

Velvet 11-25-2022 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Altavia (Post 2160675)
Interesting.

It's this one example of the ambiguity that make it difficult for some to respect the restrictions.

Well, I suppose it’s when you take the more than 2 pets outside, when it becomes obvious. Or if you invite people over who disapprove in the first place.

Oh, about those two lonely ants, they’ve got a whole lot of friends outside my place….

fdpaq0580 11-25-2022 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Velvet (Post 2160688)
Well, I suppose it’s when you take the more than 2 pets outside, when it becomes obvious. Or if you invite people over who disapprove in the first place.

Oh, about those two lonely ants, they’ve got a whole lot of friends outside my place….

I was thinking about arranging a "play date" for them, but I couldn't get the room I wanted at the rec center. Maybe a party at Chuck E. Cheese?

gobuck827 11-25-2022 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Oldragbagger (Post 2160682)
I can’t imagine goldfish are actually considered pets. They fall more into the category of home decor.

They are according to the deed restrictions;

"Section 7. Birds, fish, dogs and cats shall be permitted, with a maximum of two (2) pets per Homesite."

VCDD Deed Compliance - Sumter County

tuccillo 11-25-2022 01:58 PM

I don't personally see any difficulty. You signed up for a set of deed restrictions. Follow through on what you signed up for regardless if someone is watching.

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Originally Posted by Altavia (Post 2160675)
Interesting.

It's this one example of the ambiguity that make it difficult for some to respect the restrictions.


Altavia 11-25-2022 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by tuccillo (Post 2160736)
I don't personally see any difficulty. You signed up for a set of deed restrictions. Follow through on what you signed up for regardless if someone is watching.

People in glass houses...

tuccillo 11-25-2022 07:25 PM

I don't have any deed restriction violations. If I did, I would correct them if brought to my attention. How about you?

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Originally Posted by Altavia (Post 2160739)
People in glass houses...


Laker14 11-25-2022 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Oldragbagger (Post 2160682)
I can’t imagine goldfish are actually considered pets. They fall more into the category of home decor.

Which is why you always see then in the furniture stores, and never in pet shops.

fdpaq0580 11-26-2022 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Laker14 (Post 2160776)
Which is why you always see then in the furniture stores, and never in pet shops.

No wonder I can't find them. I've been looking in the seafood section at Public's.

tophcfa 11-26-2022 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by tuccillo (Post 2160736)
I don't personally see any difficulty. You signed up for a set of deed restrictions. Follow through on what you signed up for regardless if someone is watching.

Please tell that to all the people who are disrupting their neighborhood by renting out a revolving door room in their house while they live there. Just because the deed restriction violations that entails are not enforced, it’s still not right and violates the deed restrictions they agreed to when purchasing their home.

tuccillo 11-26-2022 10:03 AM

I agree. It is unfortunate that the “inside the house deed restrictions” are, as far as I can tell, not enforced.

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Originally Posted by tophcfa (Post 2160841)
Please tell that to all the people who are disrupting their neighborhood by renting out a revolving door room in their house while they live there. Just because the deed restriction violations that entails are not enforced, it’s still not right and violates the deed restrictions they agreed to when purchasing their home.


Bill14564 11-26-2022 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by tophcfa (Post 2160841)
Please tell that to all the people who are disrupting their neighborhood by renting out a revolving door room in their house while they live there. Just because the deed restriction violations that entails are not enforced, it’s still not right and violates the deed restrictions they agreed to when purchasing their home.

Are there really "all the people" who do that? That would be worse than picking up a hitchhiker.

But if you know of a deed violation occurring, take the owner to court to stop it. Check the ENFORCEMENT section of your deed restrictions. The Developer is not the only one who can bring proceedings against a violation. (you should also see the words "the right but not the duty to enforce")

Stu from NYC 11-26-2022 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2160852)
Are there really "all the people" who do that? That would be worse than picking up a hitchhiker.

But if you know of a deed violation occurring, take the owner to court to stop it. Check the ENFORCEMENT section of your deed restrictions. The Developer is not the only one who can bring proceedings against a violation. (you should also see the words "the right but not the duty to enforce")

Wonder how many people actually read this at closing and remember what they read? Believe it would be a very small percentage

Oldragbagger 11-26-2022 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by gobuck827 (Post 2160728)
They are according to the deed restrictions;

"Section 7. Birds, fish, dogs and cats shall be permitted, with a maximum of two (2) pets per Homesite."

VCDD Deed Compliance - Sumter County

Our deed restrictions read differently. It only refers to “domestic pets” with no mention of fish or birds, and there is no limit on the number, only that they must be leashed, must be cleaned up after, and cannot create a nuisance.

gobuck827 11-27-2022 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Oldragbagger (Post 2160961)
Our deed restrictions read differently. It only refers to “domestic pets” with no mention of fish or birds, and there is no limit on the number, only that they must be leashed, must be cleaned up after, and cannot create a nuisance.

A quick perusal of the restrictions per district revealed that districts 1 and 2 make no mention of pets. District 13 does, in fact, read as you posted while districts 3 through 12 all have the statement of;

"Birds, fish, dogs and cats shall be permitted, with a maximum oftwo (2) pets per Homesite.".

So it appears, like everything else in life, the restrictions evolve over time.

Mortal1 11-27-2022 08:36 AM

And what reason do you have for wanting their info?
 
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Originally Posted by Stu4206 (Post 2159649)
I believe you should know who your accuser is.

this is not a court of law where you are allowed to face your accuser. this is pointing out to the powers that be there is an issue.

the only people that want to know who pointed out their inability to follow rules a child can understand are those who either want to confront them, or make nasty faces when they pass by.

Just follow the rules or move. It is simple.

Bill14564 11-27-2022 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Mortal1 (Post 2161033)
this is not a court of law where you are allowed to face your accuser. this is pointing out to the powers that be there is an issue.

the only people that want to know who pointed out their inability to follow rules a child can understand are those who either want to confront them, or make nasty faces when they pass by.

Just follow the rules or move. It is simple.

Being a strict rule follower, does this mean you don't exceed 35 mph on Morse and Buena Vista or 70 mph on the turnpike and would support the police ticketing for 36 mph and 71 mph?

I sat through a CDD meeting recently that discussed a violation regarding grass that had been replaced by gravel. Out of curiosity I visited the particular neighborhood. At least six other properties also had replaced the grass on theirs. This home was no different from those. Why was this change unacceptable while the others were not? Why was this home singled out for a complaint? I suspect I know the answer and it had nothing to do with the appearance of the neighborhood.

Complaints are sometimes filed to harass an "undesirable" neighbor. Complaints are sometimes filed by those who feel it is their civic duty to police other's neighborhoods. Tracking who is filing complaints and restricting the ability to file a complaint outside the neighborhood or village you live in might help reduce the numbers and help support the label, "America's friendliest hometown."

Altavia 11-27-2022 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2161050)
Being a strict rule follower, does this mean you don't exceed 35 mph on Morse and Buena Vista or 70 mph on the turnpike and would support the police ticketing for 36 mph and 71 mph?

I sat through a CDD meeting recently that discussed a violation regarding grass that had been replaced by gravel. Out of curiosity I visited the particular neighborhood. At least six other properties also had replaced the grass on theirs. This home was no different from those. Why was this change unacceptable while the others were not? Why was this home singled out for a complaint? I suspect I know the answer and it had nothing to do with the appearance of the neighborhood.

Complaints are sometimes filed to harass an "undesirable" neighbor. Complaints are sometimes filed by those who feel it is their civic duty to police other's neighborhoods. Tracking who is filing complaints and restricting the ability to file a complaint outside the neighborhood or village you live in might help reduce the numbers and help support the label, "America's friendliest hometown."

Agree the "just follow the rules" posts a seem a little sanctimonious.

It seems the restrictions are used in a vindictive way more often than not. A few adjustments as you suggest could help minimize the harassment.

Maybe I's a little too easy to file a complaint. I would add requiring as much documentation to file a complaint as it does to request a change.


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