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Stu from NYC 08-24-2020 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1822071)

I hope that all people who have not done so, will take the class on how The Villages works offered monthly, as soon as there is no danger to catch Covid-19.

We will definitely be taking it

Altavia 08-24-2020 08:32 PM

I'm surprised some class action attorneys have come in here to take advantage of the arbitrary and inconsist actions much less enforcement 10+ years after the infraction occured.

Altavia 08-24-2020 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1822071)
I hope that all people who have not done so, will take the class on how The Villages works offered monthly, as soon as there is no danger to catch Covid-19.

The class is excellent. John Rohan spoke to the one I atteneded,. No reason these could not be online.

Very sorry my friend but the world has changed and unlikely there will be no danger to catch COVID or what ever new infectious disease that arrives behind it. So we need to adapt to this new world and the risk we are willing to accept,

Topspinmo 08-24-2020 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by EdFNJ (Post 1821862)
That had absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with my comment that you quoted. If you REALLY "believe the 2 ladies in a golf-cart" legend I have a big "Q" sign to sell you. :D Everyone "knows someone" who saw them but like the loch ness monster and bigfoot there isn't any verifiable proof. ;) Besides, they would probably be 99 yrs old by now unless they are a secret organization part of the "deep Villages."

I don’t think it two? I think is several in every district> :coolsmiley:

Challenger 08-25-2020 08:59 AM

Eliminating anonymous complaint system is a very bad idea. The "complainer" is not like a witness in a criminal case, but rather a person who says to the controlling authority that there may be a violation , please investigate. The CDD then investigates and makes the determination . Our law system uses "anonymus tipsters all the time" and it is a legit process. Be careful what you wish for, you may get it,

Topspinmo 08-25-2020 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Challenger (Post 1822523)
Eliminating anonymous complaint system is a very bad idea. The "complainer" is not like a witness in a criminal case, but rather a person who says to the controlling authority that there may be a violation , please investigate. The CDD then investigates and makes the determination . Our law system uses "anonymus tipsters all the time" and it is a legit process. Be careful what you wish for, you may get it,

It can still be anonymous with village ID number. That way you have to be villager and live in that district to file complaint. Takes the trolls out of it and make legit cause it’s villager and they live in that district. If they live in another district Or not card paying resident it’s none of there business IMO. Districts don’t have the same exact rules.

Challenger 08-25-2020 05:47 PM

Without the anonymous tip system the process will flop. Some would find this to be ok. Not I. If there is no anonymous system then the CDD should have a process of at least quarterly neighborhood rounds to identify violations. I have been through this issue in two out neighborhoods and failure to enforce leads to a messy situation. Be careful what you ask for , you may get your wish.

CFrance 08-25-2020 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Challenger (Post 1822797)
Without the anonymous tip system the process will flop. Some would find this to be ok. Not I. If there is no anonymous system then the CDD should have a process of at least quarterly neighborhood rounds to identify violations. I have been through this issue in two out neighborhoods and failure to enforce leads to a messy situation. Be careful what you ask for , you may get your wish.

The Villages makes the rules but they don't want to spend the money to enforce them. Didn't Community Watch use to report non-compliance? Why not go back to that, or institute it. They drive everywhere. How hard can it be to write down an address and compliance issue while still in their trucks?

Jayhawk 08-25-2020 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by dillywho (Post 1821969)
My biggest problem is not with the reporting system, but with those doing the reporting. Why do they wait until a major project is finished to report the violation? Are all the neighbors not at home when the work is being done? The big painted mural on a garage door or the driveway extension come to mind. These obviously were not two-hour projects. This is when the report should be made, not after completion. On major projects, require that the ARC approval paperwork be posted on/in a window where it can be seen from the street. Then if someone must make a complaint, complain that there is no approval paperwork posted and a project seems to be in the works.

So your biggest concern is not the homeowner who is VIOLATING the deed restrictions but rather the person making the report didn't do it timely? That makes no sense.

CFrance 08-25-2020 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 1822536)
It can still be anonymous with village ID number. That way you have to be villager and live in that district to file complaint. Takes the trolls out of it and make legit cause it’s villager and they live in that district. If they live in another district Or not card paying resident it’s none of there business IMO. Districts don’t have the same exact rules.

Another deterrent would to be to limit complaints to one at a time.

Topspinmo 08-25-2020 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie0723 (Post 1822312)
I'm surprised some class action attorneys have come in here to take advantage of the arbitrary and inconsist actions much less enforcement 10+ years after the infraction occured.

No money in it.

EdFNJ 08-25-2020 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by EdFNJ (Post 1821862)
If you REALLY "believe the 2 ladies in a golf-cart" legend I have a big "Q" sign to sell you. :D Everyone "knows someone" who saw them but like the loch ness monster and bigfoot there isn't any verifiable proof. ;) Besides, they would probably be 99 yrs old by now unless they are a secret organization part of the "deep Villages."

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Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 1822334)
I don’t think it two? I think is several in every district> :coolsmiley:

Yea, it's the secret Deep Villages Cabal. The ladies meet (by twos) every Sixth Friday of the month. :1rotfl: I don't doubt people (men and women with and without clipboards) are reporting infractions it's just The Villages Legend I find so funny.

dillywho 08-26-2020 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Jayhawk (Post 1822807)
So your biggest concern is not the homeowner who is VIOLATING the deed restrictions but rather the person making the report didn't do it timely? That makes no sense.

Yes, it is when it involves hundreds or thousands of dollars. I'm not talking about a cross or a sign or whatever. I am talking the big dollars. If it is a violation upon completion, then why would it not be a violation during the process? Everyone on here keeps complaining about TV becoming so unfriendly these days; waiting until completion seems pretty unfriendly to me. So does a complaint 15 years after the fact. Sales agents, Community Watch, etc., passed by that particular corner for years, but it took 15 for it to become a violation and a problem? BTW, after rereading my covenants, there is a rule in there that says we (my district covenants) are to notify TV if we will be away from our home 7 or more days. Not doing so is a violation. Should that be reported?

tvbound 08-26-2020 09:22 AM

I'm still trying to understand why it even matters knowing who, or where they live, of those reporting potential deed violations? Doesn't a Village's official have to look to determine if it's a violation, before any action can be taken? I get the feeling by reading some posts, that there are a number of people who would like to act on the old adage of "snitches get stitches." Or, at the very least, harass those who report potential violations. The answer, to me, is to read the deed restrictions in your area and just make sure you follow them.

theruizs 08-26-2020 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by tvbound (Post 1823086)
I'm still trying to understand why it even matters knowing who, or where they live, of those reporting potential deed violations? Doesn't a Village's official have to look to determine if it's a violation, before any action can be taken? I get the feeling by reading some posts, that there are a number of people who would like to act on the old adage of "snitches get stitches." Or, at the very least, harass those who report potential violations. The answer, to me, is to read the deed restrictions in your area and just make sure you follow them.

Not anonymous does not have to mean the homeowner being complained about gets to know who complained. Once Deed Compliance determines there is a violation it is between them and the homeowner, period. However, Deed Compliance should know who is complaining in order to keep the system from being abused. There may be some rare cases that may involve legal action or other circumstances where the homeowner finds out, but as general rule they have no need to know.

Jayhawk 08-26-2020 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by dillywho (Post 1823012)
BTW, after rereading my covenants, there is a rule in there that says we (my district covenants) are to notify TV if we will be away from our home 7 or more days. Not doing so is a violation. Should that be reported?

I won't deny this since I do not know, but I did review 4 different districts covenants to see the language and cannot find this in ANY deed restrictions. Could you be so kind as to point out where to find this?

Challenger 08-26-2020 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by CFrance (Post 1822801)
The Villages makes the rules but they don't want to spend the money to enforce them. Didn't Community Watch use to report non-compliance? Why not go back to that, or institute it. They drive everywhere. How hard can it be to write down an address and compliance issue while still in their trucks?

Sounds reasonable to me :bigbow:

Jayhawk 08-26-2020 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by theruizs (Post 1823097)
Not anonymous does not have to mean the homeowner being complained about gets to know who complained. Once Deed Compliance determines there is a violation it is between them and the homeowner, period. However, Deed Compliance should know who is complaining in order to keep the system from being abused. There may be some rare cases that may involve legal action or other circumstances where the homeowner finds out, but as general rule they have no need to know.

If the process was being abused, wouldn't that have casued a change long ago? I'm still waiting for someone to explain how THEY ARE AFFECTED BY ANONYMOUS reporting if they themseves are NOT IN VIOLATION. Why do you care?

dillywho 08-27-2020 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Jayhawk (Post 1823117)
I won't deny this since I do not know, but I did review 4 different districts covenants to see the language and cannot find this in ANY deed restrictions. Could you be so kind as to point out where to find this?

Absolutely. I sent my information to you in a PM.


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