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Barefoot 03-23-2014 08:17 AM
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Originally Posted by buggyone (Post 849793)
Sounds fine to me. Your vote is to do away wth the Deed Compliance completely. Some may feel that a community filled with pink plastic flamingoes and star gazer balls may be perfect. I have no complaint with that. This is Florida!
That's not what I said. My vote is NOT to deal away with Deed Compliance completely! Not at all. My vote is to let the neighbors in a community decide what is offensive to them.

I have yet to spot even one pink plastic flamingo on my bike rides. I sincerely doubt there will suddenly be communities filled with them! :ohdear:

Parker 03-23-2014 08:24 AM
Well I don't know about you but I'm going to report every tacky neighborhood I see, but I haven't seen one yet. The whole place looks pretty great to me.

rayschic 03-23-2014 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by mickey100 (Post 849769)
I'm with you. If the neighbors are okay with the violation, why would anyone else care? I may drive through a neighborhood and not like someone's plastic flowers, but if I don't live there, I feel its not my business.
I used to hate the plastic flowers until I rode around in the golf cart with my mother. She has very poor eyesight but noticed the "beautiful" flowers at the sides of someone's driveway. As we were driving past the next day, the woman was outside and we stopped and talked to her. She said she used to love gardening and always had beautiful flowers but now her hips and knees were so bad and she could not take care of the real flowers anymore. She loved seeing the color from her breakfast nook window every morning and my mother loves passing the plastic flowers in her golf cart. I still don't like the plastic flowers but I have a new outlook on them and smile when I see them.

Bogie Shooter 03-23-2014 08:30 AM
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Originally Posted by KittyKat (Post 849738)
I'd like to report all those who decorate for every holiday. I thought decorations were only allowed for 30 days at Christmas-time. Now I'm seeing crap out for Valentines, St Patrick's and especially Easter. If it was only one item it wouldn't be so bad but some places have stickers with a message on their garage doors plus things in the flower beds, lightpost and around the front door. This is white-trash tacky, people. You live in $2-300K houses for heaven's sake. Haven't you ever heard of the decorating motto "less is more"? I took the cart to Sweetbay tonight and I can't tell you how many trees with white lights I saw on lanais and white lights all around the lanais. There are two regular trees in my neighborhood that still have white lights wrapped around the trunk--Christmas is over so take the lights down, even though they are white. And I also vote for NO PLASTIC FLOWERS!! You're not fooling anybody and they look horrible.
Guess you would like holiday's defined in the deed restrictions, not really necessary we all know what a holiday is. BTW where did you get the idea regarding 30 days only at Christmas?

Interesting from Wikipedia;
White trash is a derogatory American English term referring to poor white people, especially in the rural South of the US, suggesting lower social class and degraded standards. The term suggests outcasts from respectable society living on the fringes of the social order who are seen as dangerous because they may be criminal, unpredictable, and without respect for authority whether it be political, legal, or moral.[1] The term is usually a slur, but may also be used self-referentially by working class whites to jokingly describe their origins

skip0358 03-23-2014 08:45 AM
I do have a question or a problem with the lawn ornament one. I can't have anything in my front yard because it faces the road. Yet someone's rear yard that faces the road can have it look like a flee market and that's ok. Doesn't make much sense to me. JMO

Barefoot 03-23-2014 09:08 AM
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Originally Posted by KittyKat (Post 849738)
I'd like to report all those who decorate for every holiday. .... Now I'm seeing crap out for Valentines, St Patrick's and especially Easter. ... This is white-trash tacky, people.
Since people are allowed to decorate for the holidays, there would be nothing to report! I doubt the people who are decorating think their decorations are crap.

I'd like to think we could be a little more tolerant of people decorating their homes for holidays. After all, it's done with love, and often for visiting grandchildren. And it's just for a few weeks, often less.

rubicon 03-23-2014 09:50 AM
The problem with this entire issue is that the District has allowed a sliding scale, left enforcement to be complaint driven, not defined its rule properly and has not implemented a uniform application/definition throughout The Villages. Its poor planning and its poor management.

The term Deed Compliance speaks for itself and if we lie here we signed onto it.

As a manager, it threw me fits when our Home Office introduced causal dress daily and left enforcement/punishment to us. clearly it was going to crate an unequal application.

The other problem it created and which also has application to this issue is that people interpreted casual differently. Before long women came to work almost bare and men looking like they were homeless both of which were sent home.

Deed Compliance and District are shrieking their responsibility.

Indydealmaker 03-23-2014 09:54 AM
Deed restrictions cannot be changed
 
Deed restrictions are not HOA or Condo Association Rules. Deed restrictions can only be changed by the original title holder who established the restrictions, and only then prior to the first title transfer.

The Villages Compliance people, by requiring that Deed Restriction Enforcement be “complaint driven” are violating the spirit of the law. All of the deed restrictions should be enforced by an entity given the authority to do so by the CDDs without regard to whether a resident complains.

Investments were made based upon material representations contained within the deed. There was no written disclosure that enforcement was arbitrary or selective.

DianeM 03-23-2014 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by KittyKat (Post 849738)
I'd like to report all those who decorate for every holiday. I thought decorations were only allowed for 30 days at Christmas-time. Now I'm seeing crap out for Valentines, St Patrick's and especially Easter. If it was only one item it wouldn't be so bad but some places have stickers with a message on their garage doors plus things in the flower beds, lightpost and around the front door. This is white-trash tacky, people. You live in $2-300K houses for heaven's sake. Haven't you ever heard of the decorating motto "less is more"? I took the cart to Sweetbay tonight and I can't tell you how many trees with white lights I saw on lanais and white lights all around the lanais. There are two regular trees in my neighborhood that still have white lights wrapped around the trunk--Christmas is over so take the lights down, even though they are white. And I also vote for NO PLASTIC FLOWERS!! You're not fooling anybody and they look horrible.
I have a bunny in my flower bed for Easter and it gives me pleasure. Certainly nothing white trash about it. WOW.

Indydealmaker 03-23-2014 10:07 AM
[quote=DianeM;849860]
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Originally Posted by KittyKat (Post 849738)
I'd like to report all those who decorate for every holiday. I thought decorations were only allowed for 30 days at Christmas-time. Now I'm seeing crap out for Valentines, St Patrick's and especially Easter. If it was only one item it wouldn't be so bad but some places have stickers with a message on their garage doors plus things in the flower beds, lightpost and around the front door. This is white-trash tacky, people. You live in $2-300K houses for heaven's sake. Haven't you ever heard of the decorating motto "less is more"? I took the cart to Sweetbay tonight and I can't tell you how many trees with white lights I saw on lanais and white lights all around the lanais. There are two regular trees in my neighborhood that still have white lights wrapped around the trunk--Christmas is over so take the lights down, even though they are white. And I also vote for NO PLASTIC FLOWERS!! You're not fooling anybody and they look horrible.[/QUOTE

I have a bunny in my flower bed for Easter and it gives me pleasure. Certainly nothing white trash about it. WOW.
A Bunny! I love rabbit stew!

Oh yeah, my deed restrictions say nothing about holiday decorations. Instead our restrictions refer to "seasons" for a thirty day duration. I understand the intent was holidays, but it was not very well written. Typical legal document...deliberately "gray" so that lawyers can elicit fees.

DianeM 03-23-2014 10:11 AM
[quote=Indydealmaker;849864]
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Originally Posted by DianeM (Post 849860)

A Bunny! I love rabbit stew!
LOL. Sorry but this one isn't edible.

villagetinker 03-23-2014 12:51 PM
How right you are so much for the "find" command in Adobe PDF!!

Average Guy 03-23-2014 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by villagetinker (Post 849945)
How right you are so much for the "find" command in Adobe PDF!!
The problem with trying to use the "find" command is that the document is a scanned document, so "find" does not work.

perrjojo 03-23-2014 01:41 PM
I understand the concern for complaint driven citations but I imagine I know why it is that way. We previously lived in a neighborhood with 1400 homes. Our property manager took 2 days each month to drive the neighborhood and write up violations. He then spent 2 or three days each week sending out notices and dealing with follow up Another day of driving was required to see if there was compliance. With the number of homes in TV, it would take an enormous amount of man hours to complete this process. This would certainly be a big expense to all of us soooooo......complaint driven.

ajbrown 03-23-2014 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Indydealmaker (Post 849856)
Deed restrictions are not HOA or Condo Association Rules. Deed restrictions can only be changed by the original title holder who established the restrictions, and only then prior to the first title transfer.

The Villages Compliance people, by requiring that Deed Restriction Enforcement be “complaint driven” are violating the spirit of the law. All of the deed restrictions should be enforced by an entity given the authority to do so by the CDDs without regard to whether a resident complains.

Investments were made based upon material representations contained within the deed. There was no written disclosure that enforcement was arbitrary or selective.
This is another post I agree with. I am not the kind of person that wants to turn in my neighbor because of something like a lawn ornament (AND NEVER HAVE). I would rather the restrictions simply be enforced.

IMO it is not relevant that the neighbors do not mind an infraction in a particular 'hood. We are all Villagers, these are all our neighborhoods and we have all signed up for this. My deed restriction does not state you will not have lawn ornament that your neighbors do not like, it simply says you will not. Not subjective, not personal…


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