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A census Bureau lady Came to my property for Census That i already completed and when i asked her to leave she refused and said she had a right to be on my property. NOT so F.S. 810.09
Are you kidding me, who do the H*ll do these people think they are.
They do not have a right no matter what you believe to enter your property and then refuse to leave unbelievable. Be aware folks i had to have the police remove her for coming back.
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Are you kidding me, who do the H*ll do these people think they are.
They are census takers. They are employees of an agency mandated by the Constitution, that Constitution, that requires a census be done. They are not state employees and state law does not apply. They do not have to have permission to enter your property as they are acting in accordance with a Constitutional requirement. They may not enter your home without permission They can ignore no trespassing signs. You may ask them to leave, you may refuse to cooperate, you may be as nasty as you like and complain on TOTV.

But they are not trespassing.
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Puzzled. I thought the census was next year.
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They are census takers. They are employees of an agency mandated by the Constitution, that Constitution, that requires a census be done. They are not state employees and state law does not apply. They do not have to have permission to enter your property as they are acting in accordance with a Constitutional requirement. They may not enter your home without permission They can ignore no trespassing signs. You may ask them to leave, you may refuse to cooperate, you may be as nasty as you like and complain on TOTV.

But they are not trespassing.
Wrong you are! State Law does apply F.S. 810.09 and when they are told to leave they are suppose to, Believe what you want!


U.S. Department of Commerce
U.S. Census Bureau
Atlanta Regional Office
101 Marietta Street, NW, Suite 3200
Atlanta, GA 30303-2700

To; George Grandy Jr., Regional Director:
Pursuant to Article I, Section 2, Clause 3 of the Constitution, the only information you are empowered to request is the total number of occupants at one’s address:
“Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers…The actual Enumeration shall be made within three Years after the first Meeting of the Congress of the United States, and within every subsequent Term of ten Years, in such Manner as they shall by Law direct.”
Some have erroneously asserted that “in such Manner as they shall by Law direct” means that the Census Bureau may collect any information it so chooses by any means necessary and with any attending punishment they deem appropriate. On the contrary, that phrase only means that by law surveys for enumeration may be conducted via mailings, door-to-door, etc. In other words, the Constitution does not limit the means by which enumeration takes place, whether by mail or in person; this phrase is not a carte blanche, free-for-all for the Census Bureau to ask any questions it likes and employ coercion in order to gain compliance. Within the context of the Constitution — the sole purpose of which is to limit the power of government — there is no way one could or should infer that “in such Manner as they shall by Law direct” means that the founders of our Constitution would have allowed the intrusive line of questioning found either within the “American Community Survey” (ACS) or the “National Health Interview Survey,” and they certainly wouldn’t have condoned the tactics employed by the Census Bureau to glean answers to the overly-personal line of questioning found within these surveys.
Regarding the statutes passed by Congress found in Title 13 of the United States Code (USC) which includes § 5 (Questionnaires; number, form, and scope of inquiries); § 141 (Population and other census information), and § 221 (Penalties for noncompliance), it is clearly understood that these statutes go beyond the purview of the Constitution and are therefore unlawful. Applying the rule of statutory construction, if these statutes are to be construed in a way as to render them constitutional, then “any of the questions” to which § 221 (a) refers are only those necessary for enumeration. As such, one may only be lawfully fined if one refuses to disclose the number of persons residing in one’s household.
Additionally, the Bill of Rights, Amendment X, ‘Reserved Power to States’ reads:
“The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”
This important Amendment was intended to confirm the understanding of the people at the time the Constitution was adopted, that powers not granted to the United States were reserved to the States or the people. (United States v. Sprague, U.S.N.J.1931282 U.S. 716; as well as U.S. v. Thibault, C.C.A.N.Y.1931, 47 F.2d 169).
If Congress does not act pursuant to one of the enumerated powers given to it by the Constitution, it is infringing upon those powers which are reserved to the states by the Tenth Amendment (U.S. v. Mussari, D.Ariz.1995, 894 F.Supp. 1360.) Therefore, any legislation beyond the limits of the powers delegated is an invasion of the rights reserved to the states or to the people, and is therefore null and void. (In re Pacific Ry. Commission, C.C.N.D.Cal.1887, 32 F. 241)
Indeed, beyond a head count, the information requested by the “American Community Survey” (ACS) or the “National Health Interview Survey” has absolutely nothing to do with apportioning direct taxes or determining the number of representatives in the House of Representatives. Therefore, neither Congress nor the Census Bureau has the constitutional authority to require the type of information requested by these surveys since they are not a component of the enumeration outlined in Article I, Section 2, Clause 3 of the Constitution. In addition, Americans cannot be subject to a fine for basing their conduct on the Constitution because that document trumps laws passed by Congress.
Interstate Commerce Commission v. Brimson, 154 U.S. 447, 479 (May 26, 1894) observed that,
“Neither branch of the legislative department [House of Representatives or Senate], still less any merely administrative body [such as the Census Bureau or the Department of Health & Human Services], established by congress, possesses, or can be invested with, a general power of making inquiry into the private affairs of the citizen. Kilbourn v. Thompson, 103 U.S. 168, 190. We said in Boyd v. U.S., 116 U. S. 616, 630, 6 Sup. Ct. 524,―and it cannot be too often repeated,―that the principles that embody the essence of constitutional liberty and security forbid all invasions on the part of government and its employees of the sanctity of a man’s home and the privacies of his life. As said by Mr. Justice Field in Re Pacific Ry. Commission, 32 Fed. 241, 250, ‘of all the rights of the citizen, few are of greater importance or more essential to his peace and happiness than the right of personal security, and that involves, not merely protection of his person from assault, but exemption of his private affairs, books, and papers from inspection and scrutiny of others. Without the enjoyment of this right, all others would lose half their value’.”
This United States Supreme Court case has never been overturned.
In addition, since the U.S. Supreme Court has determined (and Americans would agree) that “the principles that embody the essence of constitutional liberty and security forbid all invasions on the part of government and its employees of the sanctity of a man’s home and the privacies of his life” then your harassment, surveillance, trespassing, and stalking is that much more conspicuously immoral, unethical, unconstitutional, and criminal.
For instance, your representative had no right to disobey our polite, repeated demands to leave our private property, especially when said property is clearly marked in visible places with signage indicating ‘private property’ and ‘no trespassing’. One of your agents has now criminally trespassed — meaning she trespassed on land that was clearly marked with ‘no trespassing’ and ‘private property’ signs and then refused to leave when politely asked four times to leave and when informed that she was harassing us.
Further, we have no trust that the agents sent to our door are not intent on doing bodily harm since not only has the city had many reports of violations from those going door-to-door purporting to be something other than what they are, there have been reports of Census workers who attacked, stole from, and even raped unsuspecting Americans who were “guilty” of nothing more than engaging in a dialogue with representatives from the U.S. Census Bureau. Some of the Census Bureau’s temporary employees may even have criminal backgrounds – which must come in handy given the tactics they employ to coerce survey respondents into compliance – and yet you expect us to engage them?
Do you really expect us not to be intimidated by your representatives? Do you really expect us to believe that your representatives’ behavior couldn’t potentially do us harm when your agents harassed, surveilled, and stalked us, with one even criminally trespassing on our private property after we politely asked her four times to leave, to which she refused even though we informed her that she was trespassing and harassing us?!
STE*HANIE HE*EN PRESCO*T-SEQUE*RA was formal Trespassed under F.S. 810.09; Should we simply give in to your strong-arm intimidation tactics that are not only unconstitutional, but at this point, criminal? As noted, we have no trust that your representatives aren’t intent on doing us harm when all of their behavior is threatening! Not only is their behavior grossly unAmerican, it is a bully tactic and one that conveys a threat to us and our unalienable 4th amendment right to privacy and the right to be secure in our real property, person, papers, and effects.
As such, we will not be participating in the personally invasive National Health Interview Survey or the American Community Survey and will certainly not be giving in to the coercion resultant of your criminal behavior. As even the Better Business Bureau advises, “No matter what they ask, you really only need to tell them how many people live at your address.” We have done so in accordance with the Constitution. You need no more from us and so we must please ask that you stop harassing us, stop surveilling us, stop trespassing on our private property, and stop contacting us in any way.

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Could you please repost the letter? Maybe it’s my iPad, but the font is pale blue on a beige background.
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U.S. Department of Commerce
U.S. Census Bureau
Atlanta Regional Office
101 Marietta Street, NW, Suite 3200
Atlanta, GA 30303-2700

To; George Grandy Jr., Regional Director:
Pursuant to Article I, Section 2, Clause 3 of the Constitution, the only information you are empowered to request is the total number of occupants at one’s address:
“Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers…The actual Enumeration shall be made within three Years after the first Meeting of the Congress of the United States, and within every subsequent Term of ten Years, in such Manner as they shall by Law direct.”
Some have erroneously asserted that “in such Manner as they shall by Law direct” means that the Census Bureau may collect any information it so chooses by any means necessary and with any attending punishment they deem appropriate. On the contrary, that phrase only means that by law surveys for enumeration may be conducted via mailings, door-to-door, etc. In other words, the Constitution does not limit the means by which enumeration takes place, whether by mail or in person; this phrase is not a carte blanche, free-for-all for the Census Bureau to ask any questions it likes and employ coercion in order to gain compliance. Within the context of the Constitution — the sole purpose of which is to limit the power of government — there is no way one could or should infer that “in such Manner as they shall by Law direct” means that the founders of our Constitution would have allowed the intrusive line of questioning found either within the “American Community Survey” (ACS) or the “National Health Interview Survey,” and they certainly wouldn’t have condoned the tactics employed by the Census Bureau to glean answers to the overly-personal line of questioning found within these surveys.
Regarding the statutes passed by Congress found in Title 13 of the United States Code (USC) which includes § 5 (Questionnaires; number, form, and scope of inquiries); § 141 (Population and other census information), and § 221 (Penalties for noncompliance), it is clearly understood that these statutes go beyond the purview of the Constitution and are therefore unlawful. Applying the rule of statutory construction, if these statutes are to be construed in a way as to render them constitutional, then “any of the questions” to which § 221 (a) refers are only those necessary for enumeration. As such, one may only be lawfully fined if one refuses to disclose the number of persons residing in one’s household.
Additionally, the Bill of Rights, Amendment X, ‘Reserved Power to States’ reads:
“The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”
This important Amendment was intended to confirm the understanding of the people at the time the Constitution was adopted, that powers not granted to the United States were reserved to the States or the people. (United States v. Sprague, U.S.N.J.1931282 U.S. 716; as well as U.S. v. Thibault, C.C.A.N.Y.1931, 47 F.2d 169).
If Congress does not act pursuant to one of the enumerated powers given to it by the Constitution, it is infringing upon those powers which are reserved to the states by the Tenth Amendment (U.S. v. Mussari, D.Ariz.1995, 894 F.Supp. 1360.) Therefore, any legislation beyond the limits of the powers delegated is an invasion of the rights reserved to the states or to the people, and is therefore null and void. (In re Pacific Ry. Commission, C.C.N.D.Cal.1887, 32 F. 241)
Indeed, beyond a head count, the information requested by the “American Community Survey” (ACS) or the “National Health Interview Survey” has absolutely nothing to do with apportioning direct taxes or determining the number of representatives in the House of Representatives. Therefore, neither Congress nor the Census Bureau has the constitutional authority to require the type of information requested by these surveys since they are not a component of the enumeration outlined in Article I, Section 2, Clause 3 of the Constitution. In addition, Americans cannot be subject to a fine for basing their conduct on the Constitution because that document trumps laws passed by Congress.
Interstate Commerce Commission v. Brimson, 154 U.S. 447, 479 (May 26, 1894) observed that,
“Neither branch of the legislative department [House of Representatives or Senate], still less any merely administrative body [such as the Census Bureau or the Department of Health & Human Services], established by congress, possesses, or can be invested with, a general power of making inquiry into the private affairs of the citizen. Kilbourn v. Thompson, 103 U.S. 168, 190. We said in Boyd v. U.S., 116 U. S. 616, 630, 6 Sup. Ct. 524,―and it cannot be too often repeated,―that the principles that embody the essence of constitutional liberty and security forbid all invasions on the part of government and its employees of the sanctity of a man’s home and the privacies of his life. As said by Mr. Justice Field in Re Pacific Ry. Commission, 32 Fed. 241, 250, ‘of all the rights of the citizen, few are of greater importance or more essential to his peace and happiness than the right of personal security, and that involves, not merely protection of his person from assault, but exemption of his private affairs, books, and papers from inspection and scrutiny of others. Without the enjoyment of this right, all others would lose half their value’.”
This United States Supreme Court case has never been overturned.
In addition, since the U.S. Supreme Court has determined (and Americans would agree) that “the principles that embody the essence of constitutional liberty and security forbid all invasions on the part of government and its employees of the sanctity of a man’s home and the privacies of his life” then your harassment, surveillance, trespassing, and stalking is that much more conspicuously immoral, unethical, unconstitutional, and criminal.
For instance, your representative had no right to disobey our polite, repeated demands to leave our private property, especially when said property is clearly marked in visible places with signage indicating ‘private property’ and ‘no trespassing’. One of your agents has now criminally trespassed — meaning she trespassed on land that was clearly marked with ‘no trespassing’ and ‘private property’ signs and then refused to leave when politely asked four times to leave and when informed that she was harassing us.
Further, we have no trust that the agents sent to our door are not intent on doing bodily harm since not only has the city had many reports of violations from those going door-to-door purporting to be something other than what they are, there have been reports of Census workers who attacked, stole from, and even raped unsuspecting Americans who were “guilty” of nothing more than engaging in a dialogue with representatives from the U.S. Census Bureau. Some of the Census Bureau’s temporary employees may even have criminal backgrounds – which must come in handy given the tactics they employ to coerce survey respondents into compliance – and yet you expect us to engage them?
Do you really expect us not to be intimidated by your representatives? Do you really expect us to believe that your representatives’ behavior couldn’t potentially do us harm when your agents harassed, surveilled, and stalked us, with one even criminally trespassing on our private property after we politely asked her four times to leave, to which she refused even though we informed her that she was trespassing and harassing us?!
STEPH*NIE H*LEN PRE*COTT-SEQU**RA was formal Trespassed under F.S. 810.09; Should we simply give in to your strong-arm intimidation tactics that are not only unconstitutional, but at this point, criminal? As noted, we have no trust that your representatives aren’t intent on doing us harm when all of their behavior is threatening! Not only is their behavior grossly unAmerican, it is a bully tactic and one that conveys a threat to us and our unalienable 4th amendment right to privacy and the right to be secure in our real property, person, papers, and effects.
As such, we will not be participating in the personally invasive National Health Interview Survey or the American Community Survey and will certainly not be giving in to the coercion resultant of your criminal behavior. As even the Better Business Bureau advises, “No matter what they ask, you really only need to tell them how many people live at your address.” We have done so in accordance with the Constitution. You need no more from us and so we must please ask that you stop harassing us, stop surveilling us, stop trespassing on our private property, and stop contacting us in any way.
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Could you please repost the letter? Maybe it’s my iPad, but the font is pale blue on a beige background.
Sorry it must of been when i was changing color so it was easier to read.
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TL;DR but wouldn't this person have been "authorized" or maybe licensed by Federal law (obviously not invited)? Just wondering.

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Chapter 810
BURGLARY AND TRESPASS

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810.09 Trespass on property other than structure or conveyance.—
(1)(a) A person who, without being authorized, licensed, or invited, willfully enters upon or remains in any property other than a structure or conveyance:
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That's a lovely long citation of a letter somebody wrote to the census bureau which I found in part on the perhaps less than authoritative website nopitbullsban dot com. It is not a legal opinion on the Constitutional basis of the census. It expresses concerns that census workers might rape you and steal from you. Does that lady look like she presents a threat to you? I agree with your opinion that a census worker should leave when told to leave. I believe they are instructed to do so.
The Supreme Court has opined on the lawfulness of census workers ignoring no trespass signs and found that census workers can ignore such signs JAMES ROBERT CHRISTENSEN, JR., Petitioner, vs. STATE OF TENNESSEE, Respondent.
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I don't recall ever having any problem with Census takers. In fact, I don't think I have ever talked to any in my life.

I don't understand the problem if any.

So, Chellybean, a woman knocked on your door from the U.S. Census and you said you weren't interested in answering her questions and she then said...………?


I am sure that there is an issue here that I don't understand.

If someone came to our house to take the Census, I would think of them as someone doing their job.
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That's a lovely long citation of a letter somebody wrote to the census bureau which I found in part on the perhaps less than authoritative website nopitbullsban dot com. It is not a legal opinion on the Constitutional basis of the census. It expresses concerns that census workers might rape you and steal from you. Does that lady look like she presents a threat to you? I agree with your opinion that a census worker should leave when told to leave. I believe they are instructed to do so.
The Supreme Court has opined on the lawfulness of census workers ignoring no trespass signs and found that census workers can ignore such signs JAMES ROBERT CHRISTENSEN, JR., Petitioner, vs. STATE OF TENNESSEE, Respondent.
as i am sure there can be Case law on both side to chock a horse it has been a moot issue since the census was adopted in 1929 and revised in 1960 and 1970. Their has been no prosecution since the late 60's.
As to whether or not the lady is a criminal?
You where not exposed to her bad behavior and can you tell me what a criminal looks like and acts like.
For someone to tell me they are not leaving after i told them to go 3 times is unacceptable, and the Truth is they are trained this way. I can tell you she will not come back or she will be arrested; rest assure.
As we all know some pretty powerfull people are criminals in the past. JMHO
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OK, this confused me, here is what I found:

Census takers are going out in advance of the actual mailing to verify addresses, etc. see: Census Takers in Your Neighborhood

According to the interactive map referenced on the above website the villages does NOT appear to be a location where there will be address confirmations, see: https://gis-portal.data.census.gov/a...8fd2f4d929d42f

The Local regional census office for Florida is the:
The Atlanta office serves:
Alabama
Florida
Georgia
Louisiana
Mississippi
North Carolina
South Carolina

To contact this office, call 470-889-6800.

Hope this helps.
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Unbelievable;
A census Bureau lady Came to my property for Census That i already completed and when i asked her to leave she refused and said she had a right to be on my property. NOT so F.S. 810.09
Are you kidding me, who do the H*ll do these people think they are.
They do not have a right no matter what you believe to enter your property and then refuse to leave unbelievable. Be aware folks i had to have the police remove her for coming back.

So, she stayed even knowing you called the Sheriff?What did the deputy do/say when he got there?
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OK, this confused me, here is what I found:

Census takers are going out in advance of the actual mailing to verify addresses, etc. see: Census Takers in Your Neighborhood

According to the interactive map referenced on the above website the villages does NOT appear to be a location where there will be address confirmations, see: ArcGIS Web Application

The Local regional census office for Florida is the:
The Atlanta office serves:
Alabama
Florida
Georgia
Louisiana
Mississippi
North Carolina
South Carolina

To contact this office, call 470-889-6800.

Hope this helps.
Sorry Friend i can't tell you what motivated this person to come to my house Period.
It could of been simple when she started to question me at my Garage door that was open i knew who and what she was by the question she asked. I simply said i am not interested and have a nice day. If she simple turned around and left, there would of been no issues,
Instead she decided to tell me she had the right to be on my property and wouldn't leave(WRONG)
I told her three times she was trespassing and finally the police removed her and Set up a trespassing warning in there data base and told her not to come back or she would be arrested!
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