[Chellybean]

Originally Posted by Villageswimmer

So, she stayed even knowing you called the Sheriff?What did the deputy do/say when he got there?

Yup ! how is that for a set Of B*lls

[Dutchman]

Having been a supervisor for the Census Bureau I might shed a bit of light on the post- 1) This was not the "Census" otherwise know as the decennial census which is next year and will primarily be done by mail- 2) This person was doing a survey by the Census Bureau under contract by another government agency, maybe Health, Justice, HUD or another- 3)The person is authorized to attempt to contact the randomly selected household to gather information and be persuasive but not belligerent and if refused to leave the premises- 4) The surveys are designed to collect information to be used by the sponsor department to determine the effectiveness of federal programs and where additional emphasis may be needed.

The most used of these surveys is the American Community Survey which has statistical data used by local and state governments and corporate planners to determine available and needed resources in a given area, usually a Metropolitan Statistical Area as mentioned in posts regarding the Sumter tax increase.

If you are approached by one of these enumerators and have any questions ask them for their supervisor's name and phone #.
That is what the police would have/should have done with this
person. Have experienced this several times in the past

[retiredguy123]

Originally Posted by Dutchman

Having been a supervisor for the Census Bureau I might shed a bit of light on the post- 1) This was not the "Census" otherwise know as the decennial census which is next year and will primarily be done by mail- 2) This person was doing a survey by the Census Bureau under contract by another government agency, maybe Health, Justice, HUD or another- 3)The person is authorized to attempt to contact the randomly selected household to gather information and be persuasive but not belligerent and if refused to leave the premises- 4) The surveys are designed to collect information to be used by the sponsor department to determine the effectiveness of federal programs and where additional emphasis may be needed.

The most used of these surveys is the American Community Survey which has statistical data used by local and state governments and corporate planners to determine available and needed resources in a given area, usually a Metropolitan Statistical Area as mentioned in posts regarding the Sumter tax increase.

If you are approached by one of these enumerators and have any questions ask them for their supervisor's name and phone #.
That is what the police would have/should have done with this
person. Have experienced this several times in the past

That is not what the Census Bureau web site says. They claim that they are conducting a 2019 census "test" in advance of the 2020 census to determine the viability of the proposed question about citizenship. They are not under contract with another agency. It sounds to me that these are census employees with the same legal representative and power as the official 2020 census employees will have.

[GoPacers]

I'm not sure it matters why they were there. What were the questions that were so offensive that one would want to refuse to answer, assuming this was an authorized census worker?

[Chellybean]

Originally Posted by retiredguy123

That is not what the Census Bureau web site says. They claim that they are conducting a 2019 census "test" in advance of the 2020 census to determine the viability of the proposed question about citizenship. They are not under contract with another agency. It sounds to me that these are census employees with the same legal representative and power as the official 2020 census employees will have.

Having been a supervisor for the Census Bureau I might shed a bit of light on the post- 1) This was not the "Census" otherwise know as the decennial census which is next year and will primarily be done by mail- 2) This person was doing a survey by the Census Bureau under contract by another government agency, maybe Health, Justice, HUD or another- 3)The person is authorized to attempt to contact the randomly selected household to gather information and be persuasive but not belligerent and if refused to leave the premises- 4) The surveys are designed to collect information to be used by the sponsor department to determine the effectiveness of federal programs and where additional emphasis may be needed.

The most used of these surveys is the American Community Survey which has statistical data used by local and state governments and corporate planners to determine available and needed resources in a given area, usually a Metropolitan Statistical Area as mentioned in posts regarding the Sumter tax increase.

If you are approached by one of these enumerators and have any questions ask them for their supervisor's name and phone #.
That is what the police would have/should have done with this
person. Have experienced this several times in the past.

As to address both of your folks comments, i can not tell you who it is exactly in a government institution this Lady worked for.
Regardless of who they work for F.S 810.09 apply s especially when they are told to leave. Unfortunately this lady thought she had some authority.
Unfortunately even a Police office coming onto you property needs to be answering a complaint, serving a warranty or to arrest you for a crime. Or be serving a Order by a judge to question you.
Most people do not understand there rights and even the Deputy had to call his supervisor and the supervisor call his watch commander LT. to know what to do. AT the End F.S.810.09 applies.
Now if this went to court i could bet that there would of been a federal and State ****ing contest; and what to do with this case, it would probably be thrown out but the Census Bureau would be warned to not violate privacy policy's.

[Chellybean]

Originally Posted by GoPacers

I'm not sure it matters why they were there. What were the questions that were so offensive that one would want to refuse to answer, assuming this was an authorized census worker?

I was asked who are you. do you live here in a snod attitude without so much as addressing who she was and from where! until i asked her to leave. Not acceptable.

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by villagetinker

OK, this confused me, here is what I found:

Census takers are going out in advance of the actual mailing to verify addresses, etc. see: Census Takers in Your Neighborhood

According to the interactive map referenced on the above website the villages does NOT appear to be a location where there will be address confirmations, see: ArcGIS Web Application

The Local regional census office for Florida is the:
The Atlanta office serves:
Alabama
Florida
Georgia
Louisiana
Mississippi
North Carolina
South Carolina

To contact this office, call 470-889-6800.

Hope this helps.

We had a person doing the survey work here in our village neighborhood. It was one of those hot days back in the summer. I approached her asking why she was walking around on such a nice day. She was polite and friendly and explained what she was doing....and showed me her ID info without being asked.
I guess it’s all in how you treat people...

[Chellybean]

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter

We had a person doing the survey work here in our village neighborhood. It was one of those hot days back in the summer. I approached her asking why she was walking around on such a nice day. She was polite and friendly and explained what she was doing....and showed me her ID info without being asked.
I guess it’s all in how you treat people...

Yes i would agree and that lady didn't handle it correctly.
a couple month ago someone was driving around in a vehicle stopping at each house.
I also asked her what she was doing and she was very polite and answered my question. Driving around and stopping in-front of your neighbors house sometimes looks very suspicious, and her decal on the windows weren't very noticeable.
Thank You for your point of view.

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter

We had a person doing the survey work here in our village neighborhood. It was one of those hot days back in the summer. I approached her asking why she was walking around on such a nice day. She was polite and friendly and explained what she was doing....and showed me her ID info without being asked.
I guess it’s all in how you treat people...

Originally Posted by Chellybean

Yes i would agree and that lady didn't handle it correctly.
a couple month ago someone was driving around in a vehicle stopping at each house.
I also asked her what she was doing and she was very polite and answered my question. Driving around and stopping in-front of your neighbors house sometimes looks very suspicious, and her decal on the windows weren't very noticeable.
Thank You for your point of view.

I guess its all in how you treat people.....
Can go both ways.

[Chellybean]

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter

I guess its all in how you treat people.....
Can go both ways.

I am not sure if you are implying I was not treating her properly?

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by blueash

They are census takers. They are employees of an agency mandated by the Constitution, that Constitution, that requires a census be done. They are not state employees and state law does not apply. They do not have to have permission to enter your property as they are acting in accordance with a Constitutional requirement. They may not enter your home without permission They can ignore no trespassing signs. You may ask them to leave, you may refuse to cooperate, you may be as nasty as you like and complain on TOTV.

But they are not trespassing.

The path to you’re front door is public property. Anywhere else is trespassing. You don’t have the right to decline the service.

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by Chellybean

I am not sure if you are implying I was not treating her properly?

Reread your posts......your anger is still evident.

[EdFNJ]

Originally Posted by Topspinmo

The path to you’re front door is public property. Anywhere else is trespassing. You don’t have the right to decline the service.

That is interesting. What if there was a fence with a locked gate around your property as there is in a lot of rural and urban areas? Can they jump the fence to walk up your "public" sidewalk? Is it no longer public if it is gated? Is that a legal decision somewhere? That can make for interesting circumstances.

Actually here is some interesting legal decisions/opinions as it pertains to police:
Can the Police Go to the Front Door of a Home Marked With "No Trespassing" Signs? - The Volokh Conspiracy

[Dutchman]

The opening statement from a census enumerator is[/B]"Hello, I am xxxxx from the U S Census Bureau, here is my id. We are conducting the xxx survey and your address, not you individually, was selected to be part of this survey. Do you have a few minutes to answer some questions?[/B]" If the person did not state that in some close form then they were not doing their job properly and a call to the supervisor would be in order. Enumerators are graded on- following procedures, obtaining results and the accuracy of the data recorded. Supervisors routinely call survey respondents on a random basis to verify that the person is doing the job they were assigned.
I can't speak for the Atlanta region but I know in the Phila region an enumerator is shadowed by their supervisor during their initial assignment and on an annual basis and rated on everything from that opening statement to how they ask survey questions, their politeness and sincerity, and how they record the answers.
As for police involvement, I have had several evening calls from police questioning the validity of the enumerator. When I explained what they were doing there never was a problem.

In short, this person was not properly trained or they were having a bad day from other respondents not willing to talk to them. In the end it sounds like "you reap what you sow" for both parties involved.

[Chellybean]

Originally Posted by Topspinmo

The path to you’re front door is public property. Anywhere else is trespassing. You don’t have the right to decline the service.

OMG the path to the front door is NOT PUBLIC PROPERTY! where in gods name did you get that?