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golf2140 10-08-2020 03:27 PM

Someone had mentioned that the walkway could be for bike riders to walk their bike up since it's such a sharp incline.

b0bd0herty 10-08-2020 03:32 PM

So much for The Villages much touted "accessibility" for those South of 44 eh? ;)

birdiebill 10-08-2020 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr (Post 1844527)
I am of the opinion that sooner or later a walker is going to get killed or seriously injured walking on the "multi modal" paths. When that happens I wouldn't be surprised to see the victim or their family sue the Villages for encouraging people to walk on these paths. I'm all for personal responsibility but they way lawyers and courts view things like this I believe that the developer have left themselves in a precarious position.

People walk on these paths all the time because they have a right to. IMHO, you are taking your life in your hands by exercising your right. There are several blind corners and the brakes on golf carts are not all that great. They are not meant to stop a cart going 20+mph. With all of the places to walk, why would someone choose to walk where 600 pound vehicles with bad brakes and elderly drivers are zipping along at 20+MPH?


The Villages should call these "Golf Cart Paths" and either strongly suggest that people not walk on them or ban walking on them all together.

I suspect if a golf cart driver runs into a pedestrian on the MULTI MODAL PATH the golf cart driver will be declared at fault. Just because a cart can go 20 mph or faster does not mean it is appropriate to always drive that fast. If I am driving my cart and come to a curve with limited visibility, I slow down. If I am driving early morning or late evening with limited visibility, I slow down to whatever speed makes visibility safe. If I meet pedestrians in the split part of the MMP, I slow down even though most will step off the path. While driving my cart, if I come up behind a bicyclist on the split portion of the MMP, I slow down and follow him until the path opens back up. No need to hurry and risk injuring someone.

Pedestrians who do not carry some type of illumination in the dark are taking on risk also.

The MMP's are for all forms of transportation from carts, to scooters, to roller blades, to bicycles, to Segways. We all have an obligation to share the MMP and to proceed safely.

jarodrig 10-08-2020 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by b0bd0herty (Post 1844727)
So much for The Villages much touted "accessibility" for those South of 44 eh? ;)

There will be..... they didn’t “Promise” when ,.,,,,,,,

In fact, they didn’t promise ANYTHING !!!! Any dates given to you were nothing but “estimates” as to when things would be done.....

GoldWingNut just proved what I say when he offered $10,000 to anyone who could provide “proof” , in writing, that their amenity fees would not go up !!

Same applies to anything else ! The Developer did not “promise” anyone that there would be connectivity on XYZ date !!

Get over it, people !!

CoachKandSportsguy 10-08-2020 06:49 PM

let time i checked, pedestrians had the right of way from any motorized vehicle, so stop whining and slow down.

Joe V. 10-08-2020 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy (Post 1844779)
let time i checked, pedestrians had the right of way from any motorized vehicle, so stop whining and slow down.

Maybe you should check again. Bet you find it in not as clear cut as you think. Lots of exceptions showed up from my google search. Especially if the pathway is on private property.

kcrazorbackfan 10-08-2020 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by mjohn1203 (Post 1844557)
So if we live in Fenney or one of the other villages south of 44, we do not have golf cart access to the Chitty Chatty bridge? When will we get access?

Next year......

kcrazorbackfan 10-08-2020 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 1844590)
I suspect when the golf cart paths was built the were golf cart paths. I walk paths often and have no problems? Why? Cause at first sign of any congestion I step way off the path, thus taking myself out of any danger.

I do that also but we have so many people here that think they’re invincible or have the mentality of a 4 year old and want to play chicken with the golf carts.

Topspinmo 10-08-2020 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy (Post 1844779)
let time i checked, pedestrians had the right of way from any motorized vehicle, so stop whining and slow down.

So you’re saying they can step out in front of bus or train and they have the right away? So, I blunder out cross 441 anywhere I want cause I have the right away?

mrfixit 10-08-2020 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by jacksonbrown (Post 1844216)
Watching the latest of Don's videos, I am surprised (or maybe not surprised) at the lack of foretought in the design of the Chitty Chatty bridge.

Unlike the bridge crossing Lake Sumter, where there is a dedicated walking and biking lane, the Chitty Chatty bridge features(?) a single walking / biking lane on the Rohan side of the bridge which abruptly ends at the top.

While a good idea (developer liability), won't this cause more problems than it attempts to alleviate?

In My Humble Opinion....
the lane in question is perhaps for repair and maintenance crews
to access their worksite..... and ..
not completely block off a lane while doing their jobs.

thevillager1988 10-09-2020 07:44 AM

Agree!
 
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Originally Posted by Robbie0723 (Post 1844280)
A sidewalk at ground level to a new crosswalk or the light at Morse/44 would aleviate the risk.

A crosswalk the a recently added at Everglades to allow walkers to bypass two tunnels.

Solution-minded people rock! The tunnels and bridges don't feel safe to me when on foot (walking or running). Love the new crossing at Everglades. When on foot, we have the option to use the crosswalks.

Dorebea 10-09-2020 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by M2inOR (Post 1844494)
I think the bigger problem might be exiting the ramp on the north side. All bridge traffic must turn right onto Kristine Way, and then left into the Citizens First parking lot to get to the pathway If they wish to go to Rohan rec center or other points north in The Villages. Those wishing to go all the way to Brownwood will have a long ride or walk, too.

A ‘ Michigan-Left’! Standard turning pattern for many of us. 😂😂

stadry 10-09-2020 11:06 AM

always thought about that - right of way when i rode beemers,,, thought it would be a good epitaph - ' legally he had the right of way but the truck was bigger ! '

Doro22 10-09-2020 12:47 PM

When I saw “What were they thinking?” I thought they meant the name”Chitty Chatty”. I was talking to my son who has visited here many times & casually mentioned “Chitty Chatty”. He said you’re kidding...right. I replied : No that’s the real name. Where did they get that name?

CWGUY 10-09-2020 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Doro22 (Post 1845083)
When I saw “What were they thinking?” I thought they meant the name”Chitty Chatty”. I was talking to my son who has visited here many times & casually mentioned “Chitty Chatty”. He said you’re kidding...right. I replied : No that’s the real name. Where did they get that name?

Maybe the Chitty Chatty Preserve where it is located. :oops:

Rodneysblue 10-09-2020 02:09 PM

The walkers and the runners will hitch a ride in the golf carts and the bikes will grab on for a tow. 😂
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Originally Posted by jacksonbrown (Post 1844216)
Watching the latest of Don's videos, I am surprised (or maybe not surprised) at the lack of foretought in the design of the Chitty Chatty bridge.

Unlike the bridge crossing Lake Sumter, where there is a dedicated walking and biking lane, the Chitty Chatty bridge features(?) a single walking / biking lane on the Rohan side of the bridge which abruptly ends at the top.

While a good idea (developer liability), won't this cause more problems than it attempts to alleviate?

As a walker / runner / cyclist, with many years sharing space with carts and cars, here is my take.

On a flat roadway / sidewalk

1. Walkers travel at 2 to 5 mph.
2. Runners travel at 6 to 10 mph
3. Cyclists travel at 8 to 18 mph
4. Carts travel at 20+ mph

So what happens at the top of the grade when the four groups merge together to travel across the bridge?

Answer, the walkers walk at 5 mph, the runners run at 8 mph, the cyclists cycle at 14 mph and all the carts line up behind them, even though the cart drivers are used to traveling 20 mph.

Hopefully, all the cart drivers will be abundantly patient and slow to 5 mph. The carts will not attempt to pass the walkers / runners / cyclists. Yeah right!

Can you say Morgan and Morgan?


VApeople 10-09-2020 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Doro22 (Post 1845083)
“Chitty Chatty” Where did they get that name?

I think it was the name of an Indian chief who lived nearby.

You can usually tell a name is Native American or Japanese if it has 4 or 5 syllables, each one being consonant-vowel or just a vowel. Like Osceola.

CWGUY 10-09-2020 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by VApeople (Post 1845106)
I think it was the name of an Indian chief who lived nearby.

You can usually tell a name is Native American or Japanese if it has 4 or 5 syllables, each one being consonant-vowel or just a vowel. Like Osceola.

We moved here in 2004 from Canandaigua. An Indian (Native American) word for "Land of high taxes" :icon_wink:

vintageogauge 10-09-2020 03:38 PM

Well, did anyone go over and try out the bridge? I was surprised that there was simply a little side post about it being open in the DS today, no ribbon cutting, no fanfare whatsoever. Guess it was not all that important.

graciegirl 10-09-2020 03:41 PM

Introducing The Village of Chitty Chatty - YouTube

vintageogauge 10-09-2020 03:46 PM

But very little in the DS. When they opened the Putt and Play there was a huge opening including local officials, members of the family, handouts, etc. That bridge was a pretty big project, not that I would have attended but just surprised that it was on the quiet side. As far as YouTube, I only go their looking for DIY instructions, would not have thought to go there for a local opening.

Marathon Man 10-09-2020 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by vintageogauge (Post 1845130)
Well, did anyone go over and try out the bridge? I was surprised that there was simply a little side post about it being open in the DS today, no ribbon cutting, no fanfare whatsoever. Guess it was not all that important.

Or, maybe it's more important to avoid gatherings during a pandemic.

vintageogauge 10-09-2020 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Marathon Man (Post 1845135)
Or, maybe it's more important to avoid gatherings during a pandemic.

Sort of like bringing back entertainment to the squares LOL.

graciegirl 10-09-2020 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by vintageogauge (Post 1845138)
Sort of like bringing back entertainment to the squares LOL.

Entertainment on the squares is paid for and controlled by the merchants on the squares. Building and construction is a whole other entity.

twoplanekid 10-09-2020 06:13 PM

I crossed the bridge today to observe its fine for golf cart traffic. All others I would recommend taking a different path!

Number 10 GI 10-09-2020 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Marathon Man (Post 1845135)
Or, maybe it's more important to avoid gatherings during a pandemic.

Yep! If there had been a big event there would have been posts on here wanting to know what they were thinking about. Having a large gathering during a pandemic, how thoughtless and stupid, etc., etc.

Marathon Man 10-09-2020 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Number 10 GI (Post 1845173)
Yep! If there had been a big event there would have been posts on here wanting to know what they were thinking about. Having a large gathering during a pandemic, how thoughtless and stupid, etc., etc.

Yep.

nyjets53 10-10-2020 03:41 AM

Chitty Chatty - wasn’t that the name of Cindy’s doll?

PugMom 10-10-2020 05:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 1844590)
I suspect when the golf cart paths was built the were golf cart paths. I walk paths often and have no problems? Why? Cause at first sign of any congestion I step way off the path, thus taking myself out of any danger.

you know, that just might work!:icon_wink:

Dr Winston O Boogie jr 10-10-2020 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by birdiebill (Post 1844733)
I suspect if a golf cart driver runs into a pedestrian on the MULTI MODAL PATH the golf cart driver will be declared at fault. Just because a cart can go 20 mph or faster does not mean it is appropriate to always drive that fast. If I am driving my cart and come to a curve with limited visibility, I slow down. If I am driving early morning or late evening with limited visibility, I slow down to whatever speed makes visibility safe. If I meet pedestrians in the split part of the MMP, I slow down even though most will step off the path. While driving my cart, if I come up behind a bicyclist on the split portion of the MMP, I slow down and follow him until the path opens back up. No need to hurry and risk injuring someone.

Pedestrians who do not carry some type of illumination in the dark are taking on risk also.

The MMP's are for all forms of transportation from carts, to scooters, to roller blades, to bicycles, to Segways. We all have an obligation to share the MMP and to proceed safely.

Unfortunately, you are correct. So the person killed while walking on a multi modal path will be able to have "I was right" inscribed on their gravestone.

Speaking of bicyclists by the way, I was once behind a group of about ten bicyclists who were traveling about 13 mph. I followed them slowly until it was safe to pass. When I attempted to pass, several of them moved to their left to block my way. This happened three or four time until finally they took a different route. Talk about thinking that they are entitled.

bilcon 10-10-2020 07:51 AM

It's a golf cart bridge. If you are a runner, walker or bike rider, you can go down to the corner of Morse and Rt 44 and cross at the light. Problem solved. You also get a little more exercise.

JackRussell 10-10-2020 08:56 AM

Bridge signage is cockeyed
 
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My problem with the bridges is aesthetic. The Villages' logo is centered on the bridge, but the bridge is not centered on the highway. That throws the signage off-center to the thousands of drivers passing by every day, and it was for that reason the signage was created.

charlieo1126@gmail.com 10-10-2020 09:52 AM

It seems that a lot of people biked , walked and ran over the bridge including friends of mine . I will be doing so today, I wonder if golf cart drivers who feel it’s unsafe for others to try have an agenda Hmmmmm

txfan 10-10-2020 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Doro22 (Post 1845083)
When I saw “What were they thinking?” I thought they meant the name”Chitty Chatty”. I was talking to my son who has visited here many times & casually mentioned “Chitty Chatty”. He said you’re kidding...right. I replied : No that’s the real name. Where did they get that name?

Chittee Yoholo, Seminole

Florida Online Journals

For the people that have lived here all their lives, it's the name of the water that runs under Highway 468.

For those who make fun of Chitty chatty, learn the history of the Native Americans who called the area home. Chittee Chattee was an Indian Chief who lived here. Translated from the Miccosoukee language, it means Red Snake. (or "The snake that makes noise")

Original spelling is Chittee Chattee and the pond was named after an Indian Chief in that area. The translation means "Red Snake."


From History of the Indian tribes of North America

Chittee Yoholo, Seminole | Access Genealogy

Chittee Yoholo, or The snake that makes a noise, is a Seminole of some note, although but twenty-eight years of age.

He was born in Florida, in that region of inaccessible swamps, which our gallant troops have found to be anything but a land of flowers.

His complexion, which is of a darker hue than that of our other Indians, marks his descent; and there is an expression of fierceness in the countenance indicative of a race living in perpetual hostility.

Such has been the history of the Seminoles, who are, as their name indicates, wanderers, or outcasts, from other tribes. A few restless individuals, who separated themselves from the southern nations, either from dislike against the modified habits introduced into those communities by their contact with the whites, or from impatience of the restraints even of savage life, strayed off to the wilds of Florida, and connected themselves with some feeble remnants of the ancient population, who lingered in that remote region.

While that province remained in possession of the Spaniards, the jealousy of that government, as well as the peculiar character of the country, and the savage nature of the people, rendered it comparatively inaccessible to American curiosity or enterprise; and we knew little of the savage tribes within its limits, except from their occasional depredations upon our frontier, and from the protection afforded by them to runaway slaves from the southern states.

These evils became enhanced during the late war with Great Britain, and one of the chief inducements to the purchase of Florida, by our government. was the hope of either taming or driving away such troublesome neighbors.

We merely touch the subject in this place for the purpose of showing what we supposed to be the main cause of the ferocious and obstinate character of the hostilities that have recently rendered that region a scene of wide-spread desolation. In the history of wars of aggravated malevolence, it will generally be found that some ancient grudge, festering in the passions of the frontier population, gives a secret rancor to the dispute which it could scarcely have attained from the political differences that are alone apparent to the public eye.

The first occasion on which Chittee Yoholo was engaged, was when General Gaines was surrounded by the Seminoles; he was one of the hostile party, and declares that he fought hard, and tried his best to kill the white men. Soon after, he was engaged in another fight, in which he killed a white man, and taking the scalp, he carried it to the council-house of his tribe, and threw it at the feet of an aged warrior thus invoking the approbation of one who was experienced in the wiles and dangers of warfare.

The men of the village assembled, danced all night, recounted their recent adventures, especially that which they were now celebrating, and, instead of honoring the lion of the occasion with a toast, and requiring a speech in return, as we should have done, they gave him a new name, Chewasti Emathla, Emathla meaning, next to the warrior, and Chewasti being a kind of surname, thrown in for euphony.

After that, he killed and scalped another white man, carried in the bloody trophy, and again the warriors danced in honor of his success; and now they called him Olocta Tuscane Hadja, which means, The blue crazy warrior; and again, on bringing in another scalp, they danced round it all night, and called him Olocta Tustennugge, The Blue warrior.

All these were stealthy feats performed in the night. The Indians regard such with peculiar gratification, from the high estimate, which they place on achievements conducted with cunning, and won without exposure.

He was constantly out, and usually without companions, stealing upon the sleeping inmates of the cabin, or waylaying the straggler in the forest; so that we may infer that the Snake that makes a noise, like the reptile whose name he bears, crouched in silence until the moment when he was about to spring upon his prey.

He was lying in the coverts around Fort Mellon, while Paddy Carr was there with the friendly Indians, of whom he counted one hundred and twenty, as he gazed at them from his lurking-place. After he had watched a whole night, he joined an assailing party of his people, who fired upon the fort in the morning, and of whom ten were killed; he received a spent ball in his hand, and being unable to manage his gun, retired.

He was in a battle with the Tennessee volunteers, in which three Seminoles were killed, whose bodies were dragged to the nearest bushes and hidden, as there was not time to bury or to carry them off.

He participated in the battle of Wahoo Swamp, where the Indians lost two warriors, and killed several of the whites. The next day the whites came again, and a skirmish ensued. Acee Yoholo was present in all these fights. On one occasion, Chittee Yoholo drove off a hundred cattle from the settlements of the white people; and he tells of various other battles that he was engaged in, in addition to those we have mentioned.

Having stated that he had seen and recognized Jim Boy at the head of the Indians friendly to the whites, he was asked why he had not killed that chief, whose unusual height made him a conspicuous object. He replied that it was not the will of the Great Spirit; and added that he had been in many battles, and not having lost his life, he concluded he should die of sickness, and he supposed that Jim Boy would die in the same way. The allusion to the latter was made in consequence of his being present at this conversation.

After the adventures related, and many others, this chief listened to the overtures of the Creek Indians, who invited him to a council, and gave him, as he expresses it, a good talk. He accompanied them to St. Augustine, and gave himself up to the commanding officer, by whom he was kindly treated. He has a wife and two children in Arkansas.

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