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rubicon 02-02-2016 04:58 PM
I totally agree with tuccillo. However another aspect to this discussion is that bedrooms should be cooler because it makes for better sleeping.

We built one house in Syracuse New York and had gas heat allocated to the lower level and electric heat for the four bedroom located on the second floor.

We never found a need to use the electric units in the bedroom and seldom for the bathrooms. And because our home was located at the highest elevation in Syracuse we only needed to use a fan once in the four summers we lived there

RickeyD 02-02-2016 05:00 PM
A 2000 sq ft house will never work with one zone.

tuccillo 02-02-2016 06:20 PM
Agreed 110%. My last home was 3200 sq ft with 4 zones. The sad part is the incremental cost of doing it right initially, via zoning, is small, relative to the cost of the house. The retrofit cost are greater. It is what it is and it is mostly an issue in the winter - I wear a sweater in my office.

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Originally Posted by RickeyD (Post 1180901)
A 2000 sq ft house will never work with one zone.

Walter123 02-02-2016 09:19 PM
I just use an extra blanket.

rde3036 02-03-2016 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by RickeyD (Post 1180901)
A 2000 sq ft house will never work with one zone.
Our house is 2900 sq ft with a single zone and we don't experience the problem with the temperature as described.

Cathy H 02-03-2016 08:49 PM
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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1180829)
I THINK that is only in Premier homes.
nothing could possibly be "built on the cheap" here?

RickeyD 02-04-2016 06:52 AM
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Originally Posted by rde3036 (Post 1181316)
Our house is 2900 sq ft with a single zone and we don't experience the problem with the temperature as described.

Some people are more finicky then others. A 2900 sq ft house should be zoned so that guest quarters are separate from the main living areas. It is a waste of energy to condition a house equally in areas a homeowner doesn't frequent.

Dr Winston O Boogie jr 02-04-2016 08:13 AM
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Originally Posted by HiHoSteveO (Post 1180732)
Seeking others who experience a cold front bedroom during cooler/cold days.

Warms up OK, but cools much faster than the rest of the house. Insulation was added to ceiling. Airflow re-balanced and increased to that room. There are plenty of others with the same problem out there I'm told.

Two year old designer house. Problem was initially noted on the "New Home Checklist" right after purchase. HVAC installation company unable to find a problem with their system. Warranty Department seems unwilling or unable to fix.
Does it have a northern exposure? I have a bedroom with a southern exposure that is very hot. I asked the builder about it and I was told that it's just due to the southern exposure and there's nothing that can be done about it.

As mentioned, a multi zone heating and cooling system would probably solve the problem if you want to go to that expense.

Walter123 02-04-2016 08:54 AM
A single zone house can be somewhat balanced by adjusting the vents. If the vents by the thermostat are partially closed, more air will be forced through the other vents. This will also keep the system running longer because less air will be getting to the thermostat. Not an ideal solution but it makes it better.

tuccillo 02-04-2016 09:17 AM
I believe what most HVAC companies strive to do is have the thermostat near a return vent. In my house, they have done that (there are actually 4 return vents in my house). The rational is the air going to the return is most representative of overall air temperature in the house. It would not be a good design to have a supply vent near the thermostat.

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Originally Posted by Walter123 (Post 1181450)
A single zone house can be somewhat balanced by adjusting the vents. If the vents by the thermostat are partially closed, more air will be forced through the other vents. This will also keep the system running longer because less air will be getting to the thermostat. Not an ideal solution but it makes it better.

outlaw 02-04-2016 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by HiHoSteveO (Post 1180838)
Thanks for responses so far.
The room does have a return vent in the ceiling and measurements by HVAC company show it is working properly. The main duct that feeds that area of the house was also replaced with a larger one. Other vents on that line partially closed by them to blow even more air to the cold room. No change. The room heats up just fine. It just cools down much too quickly. The rest of the house is OK but when you walk into that bedroom (office now) it's freezing on a cool (or cold) day. Although North facing, sunny or cloudy days make little difference. Home inspector checked with IR camera and no obvious problem with insulation.

It's a Lilac style house. Bedroom on the other end of house is fine. Similar outside wall exposure and similar glass area. Builder has asked what I thought was wrong. I hadn't considered a second zone being the solution.
When you say return vent, are you saying you have an outlet AND a return in that room? I have yet to see an outlet and return in a TV house individual bedroom. Usually there is only one return and it should be in a hall or central location, usually near your thermostat. Adding a return back to the blower will increase the air exchange in that particular room so that the heat exchange in that particular room will be improved. Also, increasing the size of the outlet can increase the air flow in that room, which could also help.

jpvillager 02-04-2016 09:31 AM
Not a great solution but I have used a fan sitting on the floor blowing the cold floor air out of the room which in turn brings some warmer air in at the top of the door.

Walter123 02-04-2016 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by outlaw (Post 1181462)
When you say return vent, are you saying you have an outlet AND a return in that room? I have yet to see an outlet and return in a TV house individual bedroom. Usually there is only one return and it should be in a hall or central location, usually near your thermostat. Adding a return back to the blower will increase the air exchange in that particular room so that the heat exchange in that particular room will be improved. Also, increasing the size of the outlet can increase the air flow in that room, which could also help.
I have 7 return vents. All of my 3 bedrooms have a return and a outlet.

golfing eagles 02-04-2016 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by outlaw (Post 1181462)
When you say return vent, are you saying you have an outlet AND a return in that room? I have yet to see an outlet and return in a TV house individual bedroom. Usually there is only one return and it should be in a hall or central location, usually near your thermostat. Adding a return back to the blower will increase the air exchange in that particular room so that the heat exchange in that particular room will be improved. Also, increasing the size of the outlet can increase the air flow in that room, which could also help.
Disagree. I have 2 year old Laurel Oak. Front room has 2 supplies and 1 return. Middle bedroom has 1 supply and 1 return. Master has 1 supply and one return. Great room has 4 supplies and 1 large return. None of them are located near the thermostat.

tuccillo 02-04-2016 09:44 AM
A supply and return in the bedrooms is common, at least in the homes built in the last 2 years in The Villages, which apparently the OPs house has. All of my previous homes, not in The Villages, had supplies and returns in all rooms. A single return for an entire house is not a good design, for a number of reasons.

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Originally Posted by outlaw (Post 1181462)
When you say return vent, are you saying you have an outlet AND a return in that room? I have yet to see an outlet and return in a TV house individual bedroom. Usually there is only one return and it should be in a hall or central location, usually near your thermostat. Adding a return back to the blower will increase the air exchange in that particular room so that the heat exchange in that particular room will be improved. Also, increasing the size of the outlet can increase the air flow in that room, which could also help.


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