Originally Posted by drducat (Post 2001796)

If anyone wants history to repeat itself, removing all reminders (such as statues) is one good way.

Originally Posted by jdulej (Post 2001810)

Okay, I am fine with a statue of the confederate generals in chains or jail cells. That might be a better reminder to potential traitors

Originally Posted by DAVES (Post 2001677)

First of all my great, great, great grandfather was a Northern General. Traitors? You might read about Robert E Lee a great man of HONOR. But, for his leadership the US would have faced years of guerilla warfare. We are INDOCTRINATED that the civil war was fought to end slavery. That the emancipation proclamation freed the slaves and we buy this INDOCTRINATION fed to us by our teacher's union. For those who can still think.
Reality is when Lincoln issue the emancipation proclamation Jefferson Davis not Lincoln was in charge of the south, In his own writings Lincoln's goal was not to free the slaves but to preserve the union. Lincolns hope was to start a slave revolt in the south.
It did not happen. Had it happened. Yes, it would have caused trouble for the south.
In the south several states 1/3 of the population was slaves-I think Mississippi was an example. It would also have resulted in the slaughter of many slaves.
Why the civil war? States rights. Clearly the issue has not been settled, even today.
Only a small percentage of people fighting for the South owned slaves and the north there were few slaves. The reason, was not morals. It was cheaper to higher an immigrant work them to death and dump em.
Hitler had his book burning. We now destroy our statues and rewrite history-reality.

Originally Posted by NoMo50 (Post 2001821)

So...if I try to understand the "logic" expressed by not just some on this forum, but others all over the world...we should destroy all edifices that have any connection whatsoever to slavery. If that is the case, should we not tear down all of the ancient ruins in Rome? How about Greece? And don't forget our own railroad system. All built on the backs of slave labor.

As John Lennon said while reminiscing about Strawberry Fields, "living is easy with eyes closed."

Originally Posted by Bay Kid (Post 2001808)

It is amazing how a 2 time loser, drug addict Floyd started the destruction of American history. There is so much more to this than a statue. Monument Ave. used to be beautiful now looks like a war zone. To be replaced with a Floyd statue, or maybe a pacifier?
No big deal.

Originally Posted by Michael G. (Post 2001513)

Whatever side your on, one question I always wondered about.

If people insist on confederate statues being removed for whatever reason,
who is paying for the machinery and man power to remove them??:shrug:

Can you say "the tax payers".

If these groups insist on removeable, let them collect the funds to pay the removal.

Originally Posted by Michael G. (Post 2001513)

Whatever side your on, one question I always wondered about.

If people insist on confederate statues being removed for whatever reason,
who is paying for the machinery and man power to remove them??:shrug:

Can you say "the tax payers".

If these groups insist on removeable, let them collect the funds to pay the removal.

Originally Posted by jdulej (Post 2001650)

Confederate generals and Confederate politicians were all traitors to the United States.

Originally Posted by Dana1963 (Post 2001583)

And someday the Schwartz Statue will be removed from Spanish Springs.

Originally Posted by I'm Popeye! (Post 2001732)

We ALL know the United States Government will pay $350.95 for a $10.00 hammer...
A few broken windows, $30 Million! :1rotfl:

Originally Posted by jimbomaybe (Post 2001792)

Perhaps your knowledge of history is better than mine, but reading the articles of confederation that preceded the constitution, the importance of local, states rights, it seems inconceivable that the ,then relativity independent states would have joined into a system they could not walk away from. My understanding is Robert E Lee was offered the command of union forces, refused and resigned his commission because his state wanted to leave the union. As a military commander Gen Lee did remarkedly well with what he had to work with. The confederate states lost due to economic/ logistical realities. After the war this loosing general was offered many appointments by foreign governments due to his demonstrated abilities.