[DAVES]

Originally Posted by Bay Kid

It is amazing how a 2 time loser, drug addict Floyd started the destruction of American history. There is so much more to this than a statue. Monument Ave. used to be beautiful now looks like a war zone. To be replaced with a Floyd statue, or maybe a pacifier?
No big deal.

Floyd did not start it. He was just a seized upon event to reinforce the MOB HATE. Which is now running our nation. We THE PEOPLE, are allowing this.

Like most, I find it easier to complain than to do anything. What was, is GONE. Violence so far has been the left. If, it starts if will be led by the white supremacists. I a centrist,
almost an endangered species in the US today do not support either side of where we are today.

[DAVES]

Originally Posted by banjobob

Sorry ,no one cares you are offended. Whatever it is that offends you was put there by more people that admired it.

I find people interesting. "Sorry no one cares you are offended." Sadly that illustrates where we are and how we got here. It reads as my mind is closed. I am right and you are wrong. These and most things are complex issues. People typically communicate in one liners.

Sadly where we are and how we got here. ALL of us need to HONESTLY look around yourselves.

Condi Rice regularly stated at her lectures, If all your friends agree with you, you need some new friends. Reality, I've had several people, one almost a quote say, all my friends agree with me so I am unfriending you.

[Joe C.]

I'm a born and bred Yankee.....New Englander all my life, and yet I understand the events that led to the civil war. And with this understanding, I harbor no ill feelings towards the Confederate generals and others who have had statues erected in their honor. They were still Americans even during the war. Atrocities were committed by both sides, and that's the nature of war. Tearing down statues is reprehensible.

[DAVES]

Originally Posted by DaleDivine

Not all slaves building railroads were black. Native American Indians(STILL living in confinement) and Chinese were also a big part of the slavery building the railways across America.

As I keep posting. Hate is a powerful yet MINDLESS emotion. It is so simple, facts, REALITY do not matter.

Things in REALITY are not perfect and they never were or will be. WE at least I have it far better than my grandparents or my parents did.

[DAVES]

Originally Posted by cj1040

And what about disgusting Andrew Jackson on our currency? Then there are the slave owning leaders such as Ben Franklin? Maybe just a photo of the white house and capital building and NO People on our currency???

As I keep posting, nothing is or ever can be perfect. The white house? I seem to recall there is was some race issues with that as well. I do not expect it to happen but were they to put me on the dollar bill and people started digging surely they could find something.

Teasing a little. The birthing issue. In have a certificate of my birth. It has a foot print on it. Not sure why a foot print and not a finger print-perhaps concern about breaking bones on a new born. My mom passed years ago. The doctor was surely older than my parents.
Assuming he is still alive he would be like 100. They would surely question him and wonder if he recalls my birth. Hum, no need to have my portrait taken for the new politically correct currency.

[DAVES]

Originally Posted by airstreamingypsy

A police officer, hired to protect and serve, murdered a black black man, slowly and brutally, and you think the black man started the destruction of American history?

We discuss one issue at a time. REALITY, where we live, like it or not does not happen one issue at a time

[jimbomaybe]

Originally Posted by DAVES

As I regularly state HATE is a powerful yet MINDLESS emotion. There is no need for knowledge to HATE. It actually gets in the way. SADLY WHERE WE ARE AND HOW WE GOT HERE.

Allow me to pour gasoline on this bonfire, the historical importance of the civil war was the preservation of the "United States" slavery an antiquated , barbaric intuition would have fallen of its own weight in any event. Had the then United States been split in two it would never had become the economic, political and most importantly the military power it has , that would have changed the course of history and who know where that may have gone

[DAVES]

Originally Posted by jimbomaybe

Allow me to pour gasoline on this bonfire, the historical importance of the civil war was the preservation of the "United States" slavery an antiquated , barbaric intuition would have fallen of its own weight in any event. Had the then United States been split in two it would never had become the economic, political and most importantly the military power it has , that would have changed the course of history and who know where that may have gone

As I've stated we deal with one issue at a time. REALITY where we actually live does not happen that way. I would not expect or demand that anyone read all my posts. But, I did say that Lincoln unlike what is INDOCTRINATED to students in our current school system had as his main goal to preserve the Union. Not to free the slaves.

Slavery? As much as we try to believe, we would have.......... The reality was that half the wealth of the south was in the value of slaves. Would I would WE give up 1/3 of our wealth. Add to that, imagine a violent uprising of 1/3 of your population. A source of wealth. The north had few slaves. Saintly, no. Immigrant labor was cheaper and plentiful. New York famous for great natural harbors, made a lot of money exporting cotton to europe.

Reality, history, is far different and more interesting than what most people know or wish to know. Nothing is as simple as the HATE that seem to be running our country.
The simplistic view we are good and they are evil.

[dougjb]

In New York City, there is a square called Bowling Green in lower Manhattan. After the Revolutionary War, the symbols of the crown of England were broken off the posts on the fence surrounding this area. That is the way, losers to a war are generally treated (e.g. Saddam statues, Lenin statutes, Stalin statues). Would you prefer the barbarism of this type of removal or would you rather have the government remove the losers in a more sterile manner?

[quietpine]

Originally Posted by DeanFL

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OMG - talk about blindness. Of course YOUR Media does not cover the repercussions.

and your $$$$ is WAY off - WASHINGTON — Forty-five billion dollars per year. That’s how much the Pentagon says the Afghan war is costing American taxpayers, and with no end in sight they may have to keep footing that bill for years to come..
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You’re right, sorry. I can’t do math. $2.1T over 20 years is still a lot. I wonder how many statues US taxpayers paid to put up and take down in Kabul.

[zendog3]

The fathers of the Confederacy claimed to be fighting for the principle of state's rights, one of those rights being the institution of slavery. But many made it abundantly clear they considered black people inferior. Therefore, they stated clearly that the war was to preserve the institution of slavery.

Lincoln was no saint. While his position of the status of black people changed over his life, he felt that blacks should not be slaves, but it would be generations before they evolved to a position of equality with white European immigrants.

Immediately after the Civil War, blacks had relatively equal status with whites. But after the north removed the occupation of the south. Whites moved quickly to reimpose repression of black people. It was in that period that veneration of Confederate generals took place.

Put simply, do we want glorious statues to men whose main claim to fame was that they were willing to die and put others to death to preserve the right of white people to keep black people in chains? Again, think about what slavery is. If you were a black person, how would you feel walking under a heroic statue to a general who fought to keep your family in slavery?

Although overt racism is out of vogue, there are still people who think Lincoln was right. Black people aren't relatively equal to white people. If you are one of that–shame on you. America will never be the great nation we aspire to be until all Americans have equality. And, we should not have monuments to people who fought against that ideal.

[I'm Popeye!]

Originally Posted by coralway

Really? You can't figure that out for yourself?

Yes Really...
They believed in what they thought was right.
Just like one of your hero's, a modern American Traitor that gave millions on top of millions of dollars to an enemy of this country, the Iranians.
These statues that have been taken down have been stationed in their place for many years in history, now that the WOKE nuts are trying to rewrite history to their lopsided favor. These days, just about everyone is alright with it, just so they don't get categorized as a racist.

[Tom2172]

Originally Posted by Bucco

Allow me to make you a sage....

30 million taxpayers money on January 6

Bull

[jrzeis@tampabay.rr.com]

I know, lets just remove all references to our past including the good along with the bad, that way we will forget the bad and be doomed to repeat it, and be ignorant of the good and not have an example of what worked Lets just blindly remove anything offensive that way no one has anything to complain about (I'm sure everyone has something they don't' like). Why not remove all references to 9/11 because I am sure there are more than a few people that get emotionally upset remembering the past because it was very painful and they find the entire act offensive because they lost loved ones.

[Blackbird45]

For those who are offended and those who upset they are being taken down. I'm a New Yorker and we have our share of statues.
People walk by them everyday and don't even notice them and if they do they don't know who they are.
50 maybe 100 years from now unless it sitting in the middle of Washington, your a historian or your a pigeon using it as a porta potty they will be ignored like everything else.