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Joe C. 04-23-2024 07:46 AM

Traffic will be heavy when Costco first opens up. As soon as the novelty of exploring and shopping in this new store wears off, traffic will resume to normal levels. Just like when BJ's opened, it was a pain to go there. But now if you time it just right, it's a breeze. I shop there around 5pm and there's no traffic and not lots of people. It'll be the same when Costco opens for business.

rustyp 04-23-2024 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by ElDiabloJoe (Post 2324444)
Well, a lot of it is population density and average household disposable income. When I lived in South Orange County (CA), I had 3 Costcos within 15 minutes: two in Laguna Niguel and the one in San Juan Capistrano. I had 4 Trader Joe's within 10 minutes (Laguna Niguel, Laguna Beach, San Clemente, and Aliso Viejo). All the Costcos had food courts, tire stations, gas stations, pharmacies, and optometrists. The SJC one had a carwash!

However, South OC is quite dense and has an exceptionally high average household disposable income. It is not dense like NYC, but dense like L.A., with a higher household income. That is why shops like Tiffany, Cartier, Louis Vuitton, etc. are all either South Coast Plaza or Fashion Island malls. Many 2nd tier stores at nearby Shoppes at Mission Viejo also.

Not sure The Villages can boast that type of demographic that would encourage Costco to build yet a third Villages-adjacent store. Or TJ's even a single store : (

Best location explanation yet. Disposable income. Residents north of 466A have substantially less bond and mortgage debt thus higher disposable income.

Stu from NYC 04-23-2024 07:54 AM

The Sun this AM is calling the Costco move preliminary. Interesting

mrf0151 04-23-2024 08:03 AM

Hope it will be a store the size of the Clermont store. That Costco is about twice the size of our Sams Club on 441. My gut tells me it will be a mini-Costco.

mrf0151 04-23-2024 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Goldwingnut (Post 2324075)
This legitimate, they are coming!

Don, do you know how many Acres that lot is where they are going to plant this Costco?
It looks like the average Costco is on about 20 acres to build a 150K sq ft store.

Bogie Shooter 04-23-2024 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by mrf0151 (Post 2324470)
Hope it will be a store the size of the Clermont store. That Costco is about twice the size of our Sams Club on 441. My gut tells me it will be a mini-Costco.

Todays Daily Sun.
162,000 square feet
700 parking spaces

WingedFoot78 04-23-2024 08:27 AM

How about putting Whole Foods Market on your wish list

jarodrig 04-23-2024 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by ElDiabloJoe (Post 2324086)
If Don says so, then it's so!!!! All the Katie Bells cheapskates are gonna put Costco out of
business with the free samples and $1.50 hot dog/drink meals, hahaha!!

What's the over/under bet on who will be the first to ask if it's golf cart accessible (good luck getting your purchases home) and who will be the first to gripe about traffic/parking? How long until this makes it onto all the major Villages YouTube sites? The Developer should'a scooped this with the news themselves - lost opportunity to show they still control their PR narrative.

Man! The lines for gasoline are gonna be miles long!

P.S.- Kudos to Altavia to being the first to discover and disseminate this news! Next task: Trader Joe's. Not for the skinflints, however.

Congratulations ! You have just complained about everything you think others will complain about !

So, you get the gold star on your forehead for being first ! :)

WingedFoot78 04-23-2024 08:42 AM

This past Saturday, The wife and I went to Orlando. What a mess getting to the Turnpike. I guess if you live down there getting around is easier. My GPS didn't work for a while. In the past, you go down Morse, cross the Turnpike, make two lefts, and a right, and you're on the 'Pike heading south. Glad I don't make that trip often. Is taking 301 S to the Turnpike easier?

graciegirl 04-23-2024 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by WingedFoot78 (Post 2324486)
How about putting Whole Foods Market on your wish list

Because Whole Foods Market is not overwhelmingly popular and only entities that are VERY financially successful will be seen in this tough economic environment expanding their venues. It isn't a wish list. It take millions and millions of dollars on the part of the business and it has to negotiate a lease on the commercial land in The Villages.

justjim 04-23-2024 09:05 AM

The only thing that is a bit of surprise to me is the location. I thought Costco, when it came, would go south closer to State Route 44 and where the future middle of TV will be. But congrats to the Developers Commercial division for apparently landing such a deal.

rustyp 04-23-2024 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by justjim (Post 2324506)
The only thing that is a bit of surprise to me is the location. I thought Costco, when it came, would go south closer to State Route 44 and where the future middle of TV will be. But congrats to the Developers Commercial division for apparently landing such a deal.

You bring up a good point. I doubt TV owns the land on that side of the street. There are apartment and assisted living quarters on that side of the street. Also big box stores usually will not lease the land they are investing to build on. Not one big box store in TV on developer's land can I think of.

Altavia 04-23-2024 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Joe C. (Post 2324453)
Traffic will be heavy when Costco first opens up. As soon as the novelty of exploring and shopping in this new store wears off, traffic will resume to normal levels. Just like when BJ's opened, it was a pain to go there. But now if you time it just right, it's a breeze. I shop there around 5pm and there's no traffic and not lots of people. It'll be the same when Costco opens for business.

Google Maps can help find a best time.

Here's Claremont typical for a Saturday and a weekday.

Altavia 04-23-2024 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 2324458)
The Sun this AM is calling the Costco move preliminary. Interesting

That's why I was careful naming the thread.

Haven't seen anything so far that shows approval but trust Don to be in the know.

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jmaccallum 04-23-2024 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Altavia (Post 2324328)
Nope, Clermont is closer with less traffic.

Clermont, less traffic?!? Ha! :1rotfl:

Dusty_Star 04-23-2024 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Michael 61 (Post 2324239)
This news made my day! Now Trader Joe’s will move to the top of many people’s wish list.

TJ's has always been on the top of my wish list.

MrFlorida 04-23-2024 09:48 AM

Now the next debate will be when is it going to open ?

jmaccallum 04-23-2024 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Mleeja (Post 2324186)
Hate to be a Debbie Downer on Costco, but this is a terrible location. The traffic will be horrendous! One has to remember a Costco will draw customers from outside of The Villages. It is likely that both Wedgewood Lane and Woodbridge Drive will need to be increased to four lanes, stop lights, turn lanes, etc. The infrastructure is just not there to support a store this large.

I hope Costco comes to the area, just not here. Lastly, for the other commenters, I would think you will lose golf cart access to Costco and all the businesses west of the planned location.

This location off 466 mirrors Costco’s location in Clermont exactly. Costco in Clermont is actually on Collina Terrace, which is just off and parallels Hwy 50 and is 2 lane. Costco in Buffalo Ridge will be on Wedgwood Lane which is just off and parallels Hwy 466 and is 2 lane. Hmmm, guess they do know what they’re doing. And golf carts shall go there, too, just like to Walmart and BJ’s (love how BJ’s has the golf cart parking up front :1rotfl:). South of 44, you’ll get the next one. :wave:

richdell 04-23-2024 10:26 AM

I'm still surprised it will be on 466. Rt301 will be worse than it already is, with everyone coming off the turnpike or 75/44 just to head north through Wildwood.

Topspinmo 04-23-2024 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Mleeja (Post 2324186)
Hate to be a Debbie Downer on Costco, but this is a terrible location. The traffic will be horrendous! One has to remember a Costco will draw customers from outside of The Villages. It is likely that both Wedgewood Lane and Woodbridge Drive will need to be increased to four lanes, stop lights, turn lanes, etc. The infrastructure is just not there to support a store this large.

I hope Costco comes to the area, just not here. Lastly, for the other commenters, I would think you will lose golf cart access to Costco and all the businesses west of the planned location.

Not mention big apartment complex going in right behind it.

Topspinmo 04-23-2024 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by jmaccallum (Post 2324525)
This location off 466 mirrors Costco’s location in Clermont exactly. Costco in Clermont is actually on Collina Terrace, which is just off and parallels Hwy 50 and is 2 lane. Costco in Buffalo Ridge will be on Wedgwood Lane which is just off and parallels Hwy 466 and is 2 lane. Hmmm, guess they do know what they’re doing. And golf carts shall go there, too, just like to Walmart and BJ’s (love how BJ’s has the golf cart parking up front :1rotfl:). South of 44, you’ll get the next one. :wave:


Glad! maybe Walmart traffic will decrease :MOJE_whot:

justjim 04-23-2024 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 2324315)
Has the size of the store been announced?
Lose golf cart access? Nah. Them other stores will have a say.

According to the Daily Sun the proposed Costco is 162,000 sq ft. The Clermont store according to Google is slightly smaller.

maistocars 04-23-2024 11:44 AM

getting to 466 from I-75 is no easy task....interesting location.

Ecuadog 04-23-2024 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by rustyp (Post 2324508)
You bring up a good point. I doubt TV owns the land on that side of the street. There are apartment and assisted living quarters on that side of the street. Also big box stores usually will not lease the land they are investing to build on. Not one big box store in TV on developer's land can I think of.

TV owns the land.

rustyp 04-23-2024 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by rustyp (Post 2324508)
You bring up a good point. I doubt TV owns the land on that side of the street. There are apartment and assisted living quarters on that side of the street. Also big box stores usually will not lease the land they are investing to build on. Not one big box store in TV on developer's land can I think of.

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Originally Posted by Ecuadog (Post 2324582)
TV owns the land.

Thanks

Happydaz 04-23-2024 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Altavia (Post 2324329)
Just the opposite. Costco builds where the market exists. They can be predatory to established business as they grab significant existing market share and recruit management and employees from those businesses.

What do you mean by “predatory?” Do they pay better wages and offer better benefits?

Bogie Shooter 04-23-2024 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 2324483)
Todays Daily Sun.
162,000 square feet
700 parking spaces

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Originally Posted by justjim (Post 2324557)
According to the Daily Sun the proposed Costco is 162,000 sq ft. The Clermont store according to Google is slightly smaller.

Yes, Jimmy like I said…..

4$ALE 04-23-2024 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by WingedFoot78 (Post 2324486)
How about putting Whole Foods Market on your wish list

Is that anything like "Earth Fare"

Jalane 04-23-2024 07:45 PM

I read somewhere that a Cosco is planned in that new area being developed around the new I-75 exit/entrance going in there.

justjim 04-23-2024 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by mrf0151 (Post 2324470)
Hope it will be a store the size of the Clermont store. That Costco is about twice the size of our Sams Club on 441. My gut tells me it will be a mini-Costco.

According to Google slightly larger than the Clermont Costco.

Jalane 04-23-2024 08:03 PM

When TV's partnership with another big developer to purchase and develop the area around the new interchange for I-75 was announced, I read that Cosco is planning to build a store there.

Bogie Shooter 04-23-2024 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Jalane (Post 2324669)
When TV's partnership with another big developer to purchase and develop the area around the new interchange for I-75 was announced, I read that Cosco is planning to build a store there.

In the industrial park?

mrf0151 04-24-2024 07:07 AM

Was in the Clermont Costco recently and observed at the checkout line that all the baskets were completely full, piled high.
When we go into the Sams here in the TV area you do not see that as much. We Villagers do not shop like we did when we were raising families. I have to think that the volume of sales at the Sams on 441 must be much lower than the national average.
My point is why would Costco build inside The Villages? I agree that a Costco location off highway 75 would make much more sense for corporate profits.

ElDiabloJoe 04-24-2024 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by mrf0151 (Post 2324745)
... We Villagers do not shop like we did when we were raising families. I have to think that the volume of sales at the Sams on 441 must be much lower than the national average.
My point is why would Costco build inside The Villages? I agree that a Costco location off highway 75 would make much more sense for corporate profits.

IMHO it is because, especially compared to families raising children, we have significantly more disposable income with which to spend on the many "luxuries" and services Costco offers: Travel, HVAC, jewelry, electronics, etc.

BigSteph 04-24-2024 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by jmaccallum (Post 2324525)
This location off 466 mirrors Costco’s location in Clermont exactly. Costco in Clermont is actually on Collina Terrace, which is just off and parallels Hwy 50 and is 2 lane. Costco in Buffalo Ridge will be on Wedgwood Lane which is just off and parallels Hwy 466 and is 2 lane. Hmmm, guess they do know what they’re doing. And golf carts shall go there, too, just like to Walmart and BJ’s (love how BJ’s has the golf cart parking up front :1rotfl:). South of 44, you’ll get the next one. :wave:


That is not exactly the same. Don't forget that there is an exit 1 1/2 miles away to the Turnpike just east from Costco on R50.

Villagevip 04-24-2024 01:42 PM

Im'a going to invest in a golf cart "mini trailer business", next to the future Costco...

Altavia 04-24-2024 02:32 PM

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PDF of the plans in the proposal by The Villages are here on the documents tab:


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Stu from NYC 04-24-2024 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Altavia (Post 2324975)
PDF of the plans in the proposal by The Villages are here:

http://www38.swfwmd.state.fl.us/Erp/...c/j2j0odmz.pdf

Thanks for sharing did not realize that plot was so big.

ElDiabloJoe 04-24-2024 03:55 PM

Niiiice, it's gonna have a gas station! Bye-bye WaWa!

Altavia 04-24-2024 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 2324989)
Thanks for sharing did not realize that plot was so big.

Welcome, good to see it is a Villages managed project.

Will know more once approved/ announced by COSTCO.


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