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Shimpy 09-20-2016 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by 2BNTV (Post 1292413)
No one knows what the developer plans are. When the developer starts building something, then we get an inkling of what's to be. This has been going on for several years as when I was thinking of moving to TV, build out was supposed to be finished in 2012.
"Build Out " is a myth as Dr WOB Jr, always says.

None of us currently living in TV will live long enough to see "build out"

GaryW 09-22-2016 04:44 AM

I have watched the area for awhile. Village of Fenny would not be useful unless there is a connection to 44. I will not only involve the County for road use but also FED DOT because of the Turnpike issue. there would have to be a separate lane or easement for a cart bridge to cross the TP.. Not sure how that will happen, but with money anything is possible. The new area Southern Oak, that land is connected to the family. So many different companies they use and file under. There are a lot of internal changes going on in the main infrastructure of the The Villages that most do not know about. It supports building, but have to be careful and know when you are approaching that line not to cross.. :pepper2:

mulligan 09-22-2016 07:09 AM

Could you back up , read what you wrote, and try it again in English. Have absolutely no idea what you said.

MikeyBoo54 09-22-2016 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by mickey100 (Post 1290955)
If the developers feel they need more money and they want to expand the villages that is their perogative. They do an adequate job of providing golf courses and amenities, although as others have pointed out it's very difficult to use some of those amenities during the high season because of the steep demand. But one thing they have not done is to improve the highway infrastructure in and around the villages. Look at route 466 for example. That was built to handle a certain volume of traffic. The villages has almost tripled in size since we moved here and yet the highway infrastructure has changed very little. That translates to traffic tie ups and huge traffic delays during the high season. Each year it is worse with more and more people. Wait until March arrives - this place will be a zoo. You can plan on taking twice as long to get somewhere, given the increased traffic and resultanting decreased roadway capacity.

Reading through the forum, one common theme is the folks who are very concerned that it is so crowded in the "on-season" and only getting worse. Has anyone ever considered that one solution to that problem might be to no longer allow seasonal rentals?

I am sure that wouldn't be a popular solution as many residents own more than one home and do quite nicely off the rental market, both seasonal and long-term.

Not saying this is going to happen or even advocating it, just bringing up the point for discussion.

Fire away! :beer3:

Bonny 09-22-2016 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeyBoo54 (Post 1293616)
Reading through the forum, one common theme is the folks who are very concerned that it is so crowded in the "on-season" and only getting worse. Has anyone ever considered that one solution to that problem might be to no longer allow seasonal rentals?

I am sure that wouldn't be a popular solution as many residents own more than one home and do quite nicely off the rental market, both seasonal and long-term.

Not saying this is going to happen or even advocating it, just bringing up the point for discussion.

Fire away! :beer3:

They bring a lot of money to the businesses.

MikeyBoo54 09-22-2016 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Bonny (Post 1293620)
They bring a lot of money to the businesses.

True. But if the change in status encourages those renting to buy, then many of those homes being rented will fill up with permanent owners.

Money still there.

And the ability of the population to use the facilities all the time, instead of just 3-4 months a year may balance the crowds at the amenties between the levels in the "on-season" vs the "off-season".

Crowded highways and heavy traffic - I got nothin' for that. If the infrastructure doesn't grow to accommodate the population it won't get better.......and infrastructure growth is painfully slow.

Jima64 09-22-2016 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeyBoo54 View Post
Reading through the forum, one common theme is the folks who are very concerned that it is so crowded in the "on-season" and only getting worse. Has anyone ever considered that one solution to that problem might be to no longer allow seasonal rentals?

I am sure that wouldn't be a popular solution as many residents own more than one home and do quite nicely off the rental market, both seasonal and long-term.

Not saying this is going to happen or even advocating it, just bringing up the point for discussion.

Fire away!
How would limiting rentals affect the crowding or overuse of the Villages. Full time rental would still mean bodies in the villages just as if it was used by a full time owner.

Packer Fan 09-22-2016 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeyBoo54 (Post 1293616)
Reading through the forum, one common theme is the folks who are very concerned that it is so crowded in the "on-season" and only getting worse. Has anyone ever considered that one solution to that problem might be to no longer allow seasonal rentals?

I am sure that wouldn't be a popular solution as many residents own more than one home and do quite nicely off the rental market, both seasonal and long-term.

Not saying this is going to happen or even advocating it, just bringing up the point for discussion.

Fire away! :beer3:

Since you have not thought this through, let me spell it out for you - no seasonal rentals means the owners of said rentals all sell their properties and home values in the villages plummet. Those who rent don't want to own, I can tell you from talking to a lot of them. Not going to happen. Anyway, it is not in the covenants, so the only way it could happen is if Florida passed a law, so forget it.

Wavy Chips 09-22-2016 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by circletrack (Post 1291116)
Would have to find a way to cross the turnpike.

The Morse family is worth billions. If they want to, or if they need to, they would relocate the turnpike. :jester:

Dr Winston O Boogie jr 09-22-2016 08:12 PM

Build out is a myth. It's all part of a communist plot to destroy our great country.

Dr Winston O Boogie jr 09-22-2016 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Packer Fan (Post 1293709)
Since you have not thought this through, let me spell it out for you - no seasonal rentals means the owners of said rentals all sell their properties and home values in the villages plummet. Those who rent don't want to own, I can tell you from talking to a lot of them. Not going to happen. Anyway, it is not in the covenants, so the only way it could happen is if Florida passed a law, so forget it.

Also, we don't know that the majority of snowbirds are renters. I have several friends that own a home here and one up north.

Even if a law were to be passed, we'd have to assume that all of those homes that are used for rentals would become owner occupied twelve months a year. We'd have snowbird season all year long.

Packer Fan 09-22-2016 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr (Post 1293796)
Also, we don't know that the majority of snowbirds are renters. I have several friends that own a home here and one up north.

Even if a law were to be passed, we'd have to assume that all of those homes that are used for rentals would become owner occupied twelve months a year. We'd have snowbird season all year long.

You are right on brother... I think you nailed it.

and it IS a communist plot :)

GaryW 09-23-2016 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by mulligan (Post 1293400)
Could you back up , read what you wrote, and try it again in English. Have absolutely no idea what you said.

I guess I could try English Next Time :Screen_of_Death:

justjim 09-23-2016 05:24 PM

This Thread Is long on speculation and short on real facts on the future of the area south of 44. However, you can bet the Developer of The Villages has an overall plan and you will know what it is when you see it.

"You can never plan the future by the past". E. Burke

ducati1974 09-23-2016 08:53 PM

It seems pretty obvious to me that there was no need for the Rohan Rec Center and Publix shopping center way down south (with not a whole lot of houses close by) unless there were future expansion plans for that area.

rubicon 09-24-2016 04:50 AM

Have a very wonderful and productive day

Fuzz323 09-24-2016 06:23 PM

WOW - 3000 - maybe 3500 more homes. The traffic will be horrific during the winter when the "birds" are here. I can hardly wait?
The shopping area of 441/27 ( Loews - Home Depot area) is already wall to wall most winter days. It certainly is not going to
get any better. Wonder how much is too much or will that ever happen?

VApeople 09-24-2016 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by ducati1974 (Post 1294286)
It seems pretty obvious to me that there was no need for the Rohan Rec Center and Publix shopping center way down south (with not a whole lot of houses close by) unless there were future expansion plans for that area.

Yeah, I agree.

In the meantime, the new Publix is a very nice place to shop and the workers seem very happy to have a job there.

Villageswimmer 09-24-2016 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by VApeople (Post 1294833)
Yeah, I agree.

In the meantime, the new Publix is a very nice place to shop and the workers seem very happy to have a job there.

Agree. Great people and store.

Barefoot 09-24-2016 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Fuzz323 (Post 1294814)
WOW - 3000 - maybe 3500 more homes. The traffic will be horrific during the winter when the "birds" are here. I can hardly wait?
The shopping area of 441/27 ( Loews - Home Depot area) is already wall to wall most winter days. It certainly is not going to get any better. Wonder how much is too much or will that ever happen?

Many of us doubt that "too much" or "build out" will ever arrive.

Ithreeputtoo 09-25-2016 06:47 AM

I did some research and Lbcv, Inc. owns Mid Florida Properties. Lbcv, Inc. has Mark Morse as one of the directors along with Gary Moyer. Also Martin Dzuro is a Vice President of Lbcv, Inc. My money says The Villages is the new owner of the property as Maury L Carter and Associates is a commercial real estate company and their website shows the property as sold now. Yes it is a Villages secret that is now OUT.

graciegirl 09-25-2016 10:06 AM

Could there be more Villages after Fenny?
 
WE are glad "THEY" didn't stop at 466.

Barefoot 09-25-2016 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1295044)
WE are glad "THEY" didn't stop at 466.

Of course those of us who live south of CR 466 are glad they didn't stop at 466.:pepper2:
I guess it's human nature to decry additional building as soon as a spot is secured in The Villages.

VApeople 09-25-2016 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Barefoot (Post 1294895)
Many of us doubt that "too much" or "build out" will ever arrive.

I agree. In the meantime we, like all intelligent senior citizens, are just trying to enjoy each day we are fortunate to be alive.

PHILANDLYNN 09-25-2016 08:41 PM

Villages II
 
Don't forget about the 27,000 acres just outside of Yeehaw Junction that was purchased for $135,000,000 12 years ago and is sitting there waiting to be developed. no one knows who the real buyer was. Could this be the next Villages?

Barefoot 09-25-2016 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by VApeople (Post 1295120)
In the meantime we, like all intelligent senior citizens, are just trying to enjoy each day we are fortunate to be alive.

:beer3: Absolutely. If build out never occurs, so be it.
It's still a visionary, well-planned community!

JoelJohnson 01-04-2017 07:42 AM

There is a bridge just south of the rest area on the turnpike.

Cedwards38 01-04-2017 07:49 AM

Of course. There will always be more Villages, and why shouldn't there be as long as there is a demand.

joesin 01-04-2017 08:26 AM

Look at Google Maps there is a bridge over the turnpike just east of the service center.
All ready to connect to Fenny..

graciegirl 01-04-2017 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Barefoot (Post 1295379)
:beer3: Absolutely. If build out never occurs, so be it.
It's still a visionary, well-planned community!

Yes it is. I love how this place is run and the planning and the expertise and the beautiful green spaces allotted. The Morses have secured their fortune but continue to work. I admire them all.

yesi3putt2 01-04-2017 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Bonny (Post 1290659)
My unprofessional opinion is, there will only be a build out when there is no more property ! :D

I second your unprofessional opinion

champion6 01-04-2017 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by joesin (Post 1342311)
Look at Google Maps there is a bridge over the turnpike just east of the service center.
All ready to connect to Fenny.

While technically true, your post is misleading.

The bridge over the turnpike and the eastern edge of Fenney are 2 miles apart.

There are a few large parcels separating the two and as we have seen, the developer has deep pockets. It's easy to imagine that the current owners (Bingham Hide Co. and Bexley Sumter Inc.) would sell to the developer.

Barefoot 01-04-2017 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by champion6 (Post 1342383)
It's easy to imagine that the current owners (Bingham Hide Co. and Bexley Sumter Inc.) would sell to the developer.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Developers already have Options on these two properties.

EnglishJW 01-05-2017 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Wavy Chips (Post 1293780)
The Morse family is worth billions. If they want to, or if they need to, they would relocate the turnpike. :jester:

Thanks - gave me a chuckle this morning.

As someone has already pointed out, there is Bailey Road over the turnpike in addition to the more traditional overpasses. Now we just have to start connecting all the land parcels above and below the Turnpike before the assault on 44.

EnglishJW 01-05-2017 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Barefoot (Post 1295055)
Of course those of us who live south of CR 466 are glad they didn't stop at 466.:pepper2:
I guess it's human nature to decry additional building as soon as a spot is secured in The Villages.

I too fully agree. It may not be obvious or even important to many but moving into a "new" community (IMO) offers many more opportunities to make new friends and quickly become part of the local village culture. We didn't intend to buy south of 466A but it has turned out to have been a great decision for us. Plus, we are that much closer to Disney World!

kstew43 01-05-2017 02:23 PM

the villages are supposed to own.....in one name or another.... all the way to Center Hill. Hwy 48.

So says residents of Allentown who are holding out for big bucks with there land.

Chatbrat 01-05-2017 02:32 PM

Looking @ the average age of Villagers--we shouldn't worry about real estate values as long as we are on the right side of the grass- in all reality, real estate is not an investment-its a life style purchase- if you have to purchase real estate to make $$--you're kidding yourself if you're purchasing in the TV--

If you want to make real $$ in real estate buy in Chatham TWP,NJ--10% a year--but 30% of all properties are over $1,000,000.00

mrbgull 01-06-2017 06:46 PM

What about the water?????? or lack there of.

baustgen 01-06-2017 09:06 PM

The Villages is such a success. Why would they ever stop?

Nucky 01-06-2017 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Chatbrat (Post 1342946)
Looking @ the average age of Villagers--we shouldn't worry about real estate values as long as we are on the right side of the grass- in all reality, real estate is not an investment-its a life style purchase- if you have to purchase real estate to make $$--you're kidding yourself if you're purchasing in the TV--

If you want to make real $$ in real estate buy in Chatham TWP,NJ--10% a year--but 30% of all properties are over $1,000,000.00

I can't take it anymore. We are from Florham Park NJ over near Braidburn C.C. and we could put Chatham Twp or Chatham Boro under our finger nail and we love to eat at Wendy's & we don't drink and and I let people cut in front of me at the mailbox and I hold doors open for others and and and and that's all for now. I feel much better. Our school always beat Chatham in football too! If you read this and you want to drive slow in front of me I won't cry about it or honk the horn. If you serve me a bad meal I won't ruin your business with my beer muscles sitting behind a computer reporting something I don't like and being a human cloud. :blahblahblah:


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