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Stu from NYC 08-16-2020 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by jarodrig (Post 1818586)
With all due respect, I disagree.

One line item in your bill may have gone up 25% but your total out of pocket increase did not.

The OUT OF POCKET tax increase for most was in the range of 7 - 11 %

As stated above, Oren Miller’s out of pocket property tax increase was 4 %

If you would like to PM me with your real name, I would be happy to go to the Sumter County Taxes website and calculate your total out of pocket tax increase between 2018 and 2019.....

One of the reasons why your taxes might be close to the 25 % figure is if you are a seasonal resident without the Homestead discounts.....

We just moved here in Feb and going by what I have seen in the Sun and from other folks we have met.

Somewhere in my paperwork we have what previous owner paid in 2018 and 2019 and when we get our first tax bill in a few months will see how it has changed. Will even dig out her stuff and compare.

BTW we are full time and will even get homestead exemption for next year.

Neils 08-16-2020 07:21 PM

Ohh no !!!! Hope my line dancing lessons Were not a waste

angiefox10 08-16-2020 08:03 PM

First let me explain... I don't know if this will make sense to anyone and I know people who don't support EMS will balk at this regardless.

First, the $120,000 doesn't go to the musical part of the entertainment. Regardless, I will let you know where it goes.

" Sumter County has Been giving money to the entertainment division for years and the money comes from the bed/breakfast taxes. (Only to Sumter landing and Brownwood, Spanish Springs is in Lake county). This is not by their decision alone. It does not go just to entertainers, it goes for rentals, decor, security.
Many farmers market days are set up by the entertainment division, special events (heritage days, holiday events, car shows) of which many people are in attendance for free."

Regardless, the thought process was the residents would want the money to go to the schools and not so much the entertainment that he believed wouldn't go away because they didn't get those funds.

He was wrong and changed his stance. The whole idea of being a commissioner is listening to the residents... He is listening.

Northwoods 08-16-2020 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by angiefox10 (Post 1818612)
First let me explain... I don't know if this will make sense to anyone and I know people who don't support EMS will balk at this regardless.

First, the $120,000 doesn't go to the musical part of the entertainment. Regardless, I will let you know where it goes.

" Sumter County has Been giving money to the entertainment division for years and the money comes from the bed/breakfast taxes. (Only to Sumter landing and Brownwood, Spanish Springs is in Lake county). This is not by their decision alone. It does not go just to entertainers, it goes for rentals, decor, security.
Many farmers market days are set up by the entertainment division, special events (heritage days, holiday events, car shows) of which many people are in attendance for free."

Regardless, the thought process was the residents would want the money to go to the schools and not so much the entertainment that he believed wouldn't go away because they didn't get those funds.

He was wrong and changed his stance. The whole idea of being a commissioner is listening to the residents... He is listening.

Angie - Thank you for the clarification. I guess, as you dig deeper, you find out that it wasn't just entertainment, it's also for the farmer's market and special events. (I think even more people would be upset if this funding was pulled!!!). I appreciate that Oren changed his position.

New Englander 08-17-2020 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by angiefox10 (Post 1818612)
First let me explain... I don't know if this will make sense to anyone and I know people who don't support EMS will balk at this regardless.

First, the $120,000 doesn't go to the musical part of the entertainment. Regardless, I will let you know where it goes.

" Sumter County has Been giving money to the entertainment division for years and the money comes from the bed/breakfast taxes. (Only to Sumter landing and Brownwood, Spanish Springs is in Lake county). This is not by their decision alone. It does not go just to entertainers, it goes for rentals, decor, security.
Many farmers market days are set up by the entertainment division, special events (heritage days, holiday events, car shows) of which many people are in attendance for free."

Regardless, the thought process was the residents would want the money to go to the schools and not so much the entertainment that he believed wouldn't go away because they didn't get those funds.

He was wrong and changed his stance. The whole idea of being a commissioner is listening to the residents... He is listening.

I'm glad he is listening. Because the incumbents don't listen at all to the people.

charlieo1126@gmail.com 08-17-2020 09:14 AM

If the hmmm was because someone
 
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Originally Posted by Bilyclub (Post 1818406)
Hmm, I think I have seen the above post in about 5 other threads with slight modifications. Yes, I guess you need county commissioners that allow a private bottler to draw massive amounts of water out of a parched aquifer or for a county to raise taxes on the whole county to pay for roads that the developer and new home buyers should be paying for.
Checks and balances are what this country is founded on

thinks I’m a stalking horse for the villages candidates they would be wrong , because of ridiculous rules in Florida you can only vote by party.I’m from Boston where local city council races are non partisan so a large group of voters are left out and no I do my want to change my party to vote not ever , but if m a long term resident and want this place to keep growing and bring more business , medical and life style changes and do this while keeping the lowest tax rate in n Florida

Advogado 08-17-2020 03:04 PM

Music on the Squares is not going to disappear, and the $120,000 the Developer's puppets give to the Developer to subsidize it is chicken feed. Voters need to focus on the main issue in this year's County Commissioner race. The main issue is that the current County Commissioners are representing the Developer; they are not representing the residents and that is costing the taxpayers hundreds of millions of dollars.

This relationship between the Commissioners and the Developer has only recently gained wide attention due to the puppet Commissioners' enacting an incredible 25% County Tax increase. They did that for one reason: to offload on to us, the residents, the costs of the county infrastructure necessitated by the Developer's massive expansion of The Villages, which massive expansion has been rubber-stamped by the Commissioners.

That infrastructure should be paid for by increasing the Developer's sweetheart impact fee. For those residents who still don't know, an impact fee is a per-house tax on a builder that is SUPPOSED to pay for the infrastructure necessitated by the new construction. Infrastructure includes not only roads, but also such things as additional parks, police and fire stations and equipment, government buildings, and libraries.

By raising our taxes, while keeping the Developer's impact fee at an incredibly low level, the puppets are, in essence, giving the Developer hundreds of millions of tax dollars at our expense. Keep that number in mind when getting wrapped up in a debate about the County's subsidizing the Developer's music on the Squares for $120,000. It is the hundreds of millions of dollars that is causing the Developer to spend whatever it takes to keep his puppets in office and to run fake candidates to disenfranchise 45,000 voters.

In fact, the Developer has contributed about $250,000 to the incumbents' campaign. The Developer didn't do that for the $120,000 music subsidy.

Mleeja 08-17-2020 04:07 PM

I am glad the Morse family does not read this forum. If they did, they probably say “screw you” and close up shop. They have brought millions dollars of revenue to this county, created 1000’s of jobs, and have created a community that has no rivals. Yet you have people who do not understand business or are simply ungrateful continually try to tear down this community. This is what EMS team and the POA want. They claim they are “for the people”. But they are not. It is about power. That is all the POA wants. If you follow the CCD meetings you can see the creep of POA influence. Believe me, if the POA told Mr. Miller to not support $120,000 going for entertainment on the squares, he will vote with the POA.

JoMar 08-17-2020 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Advogado (Post 1819055)
Music on the Squares is not going to disappear, and the $120,000 the Developer's puppets give to the Developer to subsidize it is chicken feed. Voters need to focus on the main issue in this year's County Commissioner race. The main issue is that the current County Commissioners are representing the Developer; they are not representing the residents and that is costing the taxpayers hundreds of millions of dollars.

This relationship between the Commissioners and the Developer has only recently gained wide attention due to the puppet Commissioners' enacting an incredible 25% County Tax increase. They did that for one reason: to offload on to us, the residents, the costs of the county infrastructure necessitated by the Developer's massive expansion of The Villages, which massive expansion has been rubber-stamped by the Commissioners.

That infrastructure should be paid for by increasing the Developer's sweetheart impact fee. For those residents who still don't know, an impact fee is a per-house tax on a builder that is SUPPOSED to pay for the infrastructure necessitated by the new construction. Infrastructure includes not only roads, but also such things as additional parks, police and fire stations and equipment, government buildings, and libraries.

By raising our taxes, while keeping the Developer's impact fee at an incredibly low level, the puppets are, in essence, giving the Developer hundreds of millions of tax dollars at our expense. Keep that number in mind when getting wrapped up in a debate about the County's subsidizing the Developer's music on the Squares for $120,000. It is the hundreds of millions of dollars that is causing the Developer to spend whatever it takes to keep his puppets in office and to run fake candidates to disenfranchise 45,000 voters.

In fact, the Developer has contributed about $250,000 to the incumbents' campaign. The Developer didn't do that for the $120,000 music subsidy.

The Developer contributes 50% of the expense for the entertainment.

Stu from NYC 08-17-2020 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Mleeja (Post 1819068)
I am glad the Morse family does not read this forum. If they did, they probably say “screw you” and close up shop. They have brought millions dollars of revenue to this county, created 1000’s of jobs, and have created a community that has no rivals. Yet you have people who do not understand business or are simply ungrateful continually try to tear down this community. This is what EMS team and the POA want. They claim they are “for the people”. But they are not. It is about power. That is all the POA wants. If you follow the CCD meetings you can see the creep of POA influence. Believe me, if the POA told Mr. Miller to not support $120,000 going for entertainment on the squares, he will vote with the POA.

One good reason they would not leave is the billions of dollars they have made and the profits they continue to make here.

Still learning about how this place runs but no intention to play sheep

Mleeja 08-17-2020 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 1819121)
One good reason they would not leave is the billions of dollars they have made and the profits they continue to make here.

Still learning about how this place runs but no intention to play sheep

They are land developers. They could very easily start elsewhere in Florida. If they stopped today, within seven years this place will be ran by the residents.

Goldwingnut 08-17-2020 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Mleeja (Post 1819123)
They are land developers. They could very easily start elsewhere in Florida. If they stopped today, within seven years this place will be ran by the residents.

With the exception of CDD13 and the commercial CDDs (and maybe 2 seats in CDD12) all of the supervisors on the CDD boards are already Villages residents and running the district government.

angiefox10 08-18-2020 06:24 AM

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How the current county commissioners treat the residents

How the commissioners treat visitors - YouTube

Oren Miller will listen to you

Mleeja 08-18-2020 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Goldwingnut (Post 1819135)
With the exception of CDD13 and the commercial CDDs (and maybe 2 seats in CDD12) all of the supervisors on the CDD boards are already Villages residents and running the district government.

It is difficult to tell from the website, but I believe Districts 11-13 still have Developer appointed Supervisors. District 11 is transitioning. I know you understand this, but for the others, there is only one land owner in the commercial CDDs. The owner is some variation of The Villages Development. The commercial districts will be controlled by the developers unless there is some really big sale!

Stu from NYC 08-18-2020 03:16 PM

Guess this thread will be history after the polls close later today.

BTW typically how long does it take it for them to count the votes?

Mleeja 08-18-2020 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 1819518)
Guess this thread will be history after the polls close later today.

BTW typically how long does it take it for them to count the votes?

Not long. We will know by 9 or 10, unless it is really close and recounts are necessary.

Stu from NYC 08-18-2020 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Mleeja (Post 1819543)
Not long. We will know by 9 or 10, unless it is really close and recounts are necessary.

As of 7 pm still counting votes but will be new commissioners running in November.

jarodrig 08-18-2020 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 1819584)
As of 7 pm still counting votes but will be new commissioners running in November.

Where are you getting your numbers from ??

Mleeja 08-18-2020 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by jarodrig (Post 1819588)
Where are you getting your numbers from ??

See another forum post. It contain the link to the election results.

jarodrig 08-18-2020 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Mleeja (Post 1819596)
See another forum post. It contain the link to the election results.

Thanks, but can you link it ???

MrGolf 08-18-2020 06:39 PM

Here is the election link

Summary Results - Election Night Reporting


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