[Tmarkwald]

Originally Posted by Becca9800

You might want to do some homework before believing what "some people are saying". Maryland isn't immune, concerns go back awhile.

Election Fraud List: Which States Had Voter Fraud Allegations? | Heavy.com

Maryland Voter Fraud Concerns

In May, Maryland state officials moved to decertify the election results in Baltimore’s primary. The number of ballots cast on April 26 amounted to hundreds more than the number of voters who were checked in at polling places, The Washington Post reported. There were also 80 provisional ballots that weren’t considered at all. The article stated that such discrepancies aren’t unusual, but the size prompted the state to intervene. One possible source of the discrepancy might have been provisional votes scanned early.

More disturbing allegations were brought up in 2014. An article by the Washington Post in 2014 showed that tens of thousands of voters had registered in both Virginia and Maryland, and many may have crossed state lines and voted twice.

huh? your comment makes no sense. I only related MY experience. So, no earthly idea what you are talking about.

[bobdeb]

Originally Posted by gettingby

Some people just have problems living in a free state.

Ain't that the truth.

[Becca9800]

Originally Posted by Tmarkwald

huh? your comment makes no sense. I only related MY experience. So, no earthly idea what you are talking about.

Oops! My bad! I misinterpreted your comment. Can't imagine how that happened.

Originally Posted by Tmarkwald

I'll just say this, so it doesn't go political - We received 12 mail-in voting ballot from Maryland last year - 4 for us and 8 for a bunch of people we don't know. 'nuff said.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Which is all the more reason we Florida residents need to be able to have some sort of digital vaccine proof. DeSantis is wrong to have banned that possibility for Florida residents with his executive order banning vaccine passports for Florida residents.

I understand his order is to ban Florida businesses from mandating vaccine proof (other than the CDC cards we received at time of vaccination which can easily be forged) but we still need some kind of proof so we can travel Internationally. We also need some kind of proof to be able to cruise. A digital passport is a great idea for these purposes.

That's why I think having a stamp on your actual passport is such a great idea. If one page is dedicated to vaccinations, you can get a new stamp when you get ANY required vaccine/booster, including the DTP, malaria, or anything else that ever becomes mandatory in any country you wish to visit.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

That's why I think having a stamp on your actual passport is such a great idea. If one page is dedicated to vaccinations, you can get a new stamp when you get ANY required vaccine/booster, including the DTP, malaria, or anything else that ever becomes mandatory in any country you wish to visit.

There are problems with the passport-based approach. Passports can be forgotten at home. I rarely (never) carry mine so what would I do if I was out and decided to go to a crowded concert or sports event or if I decided to hop on an Amtrak? Passports expire - would you trust the Govt to properly transfer all your vaccination stamps from the old document to the new one? And what if you have a lot? It would be difficult to find the particular stamp or there might not be enough pages to hold all the stamps. Passports are a good thought, but they have limits.

If this is something that needs to be done then let's use technology and do it right. A chip implanted under the skin could hold all that information with no problem. Medical personal could easily update the information when new vaccinations are given. Scanners installed at the entrances to trains or airports or sports stadiums could automatically read the chip for the required vaccinations and alarm when someone isn't safe. For smaller or temporary venues, a hand scanner could do the same thing. The technology likely exists, let's use it.

But technology fails sometimes too. The chips would need batteries which could run down or the chips could fail or perhaps the chip could even be removed or lost. Plus, there may be some low-tech countries that could not afford the chips and scanners. Maybe a better, more economical solution would be to tattoo a number on everyone's forearm and have a global database that holds the information. It would be easy to manually read the number, to enter it on forms, or even to have a scanner read it optically. A globally-unique ID should be possible and numerical tattoos have been around for a while. If carrying and presenting this information is that critical then let's do it right.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

There are problems with the passport-based approach. Passports can be forgotten at home. I rarely (never) carry mine so what would I do if I was out and decided to go to a crowded concert or sports event or if I decided to hop on an Amtrak? Passports expire - would you trust the Govt to properly transfer all your vaccination stamps from the old document to the new one? And what if you have a lot? It would be difficult to find the particular stamp or there might not be enough pages to hold all the stamps. Passports are a good thought, but they have limits.

If this is something that needs to be done then let's use technology and do it right. A chip implanted under the skin could hold all that information with no problem. Medical personal could easily update the information when new vaccinations are given. Scanners installed at the entrances to trains or airports or sports stadiums could automatically read the chip for the required vaccinations and alarm when someone isn't safe. For smaller or temporary venues, a hand scanner could do the same thing. The technology likely exists, let's use it.

But technology fails sometimes too. The chips would need batteries which could run down or the chips could fail or perhaps the chip could even be removed or lost. Plus, there may be some low-tech countries that could not afford the chips and scanners. Maybe a better, more economical solution would be to tattoo a number on everyone's forearm and have a global database that holds the information. It would be easy to manually read the number, to enter it on forms, or even to have a scanner read it optically. A globally-unique ID should be possible and numerical tattoos have been around for a while. If carrying and presenting this information is that critical then let's do it right.

It's not critical. It's optional. You don't have to have a passport at all. But if you want to travel out of the country, you have to have one. If you forget your passport at your hotel in Naples, then you won't be returning to the USA. You have to have one.

No one is requiring that you have proof of vaccination to go to a concert in the USA. What they're requiring, is that you have proof of immunization of various diseases, in various countries. Those proofs of immunization are ALREADY required. You could have just a card, that is like a credit card, containing digital information of immunization. Just like when they scan your credit card at the store and they instantly have access to your name, address, bank account. Just like if you get pulled over for a traffic violation, the police see your license and have access to your name, address, date of birth, any previous arrests, wants and warrants, recent previous violations...

and just like if you need to go to a doctor, they check your medicare information, which has all kinds of information about your personal life - if you're married, who your next of kin is, what kind of insurance you have, every bit of medical information about you including the last time you got your prescription for viagra...

Your information is EVERYWHERE, and easily accessible. If you are paranoid about people learning whether or not you're immune to a disease, you probably have more problems in life than any disease could possibly give you.

[Becca9800]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

You could have just a card, that is like a credit card, containing digital information of immunization.

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

Just like when they scan your credit card at the store and they instantly have access to your name, address, bank account.

No one has "access" to your bank account because you use a credit card. That's simply an overstatement. Privacy of financial transactions are governed by the HIPAA regs.

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

Just like if you get pulled over for a traffic violation, the police see your license and have access to your name, address, date of birth, any previous arrests, wants and warrants, recent previous violations...

As they should. BUT that's not your PHI.

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

and just like if you need to go to a doctor, they check your medicare information, which has all kinds of information about your personal life - if you're married, who your next of kin is, what kind of insurance you have, every bit of medical information about you including the last time you got your prescription for viagra...

AND your doc is bound by the Federal HIPAA regs.

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

Your information is EVERYWHERE, and easily accessible.

Name, address, telephone number and family members. NEVER have I see someone's PHI on the web. NEVER.

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

If you are paranoid about people learning whether or not you're immune to a disease, you probably have more problems in life than any disease could possibly give you.

Really? Not having immunity to C19 IS already having negative effects on what one is allowed or banned from doing. Vaxxers have gone mad, insisting everyone inject. With the vaccine, you have the immunity and still insist I must be vaccinated to keep you safe. But I'm the paranoid with more problems? Laughable.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

That's why I think having a stamp on your actual passport is such a great idea. If one page is dedicated to vaccinations, you can get a new stamp when you get ANY required vaccine/booster, including the DTP, malaria, or anything else that ever becomes mandatory in any country you wish to visit.

Great idea. This would work but only for people who have passports. Not everyone has one if they don't travel internationally.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

There are problems with the passport-based approach. Passports can be forgotten at home. I rarely (never) carry mine so what would I do if I was out and decided to go to a crowded concert or sports event or if I decided to hop on an Amtrak? Passports expire - would you trust the Govt to properly transfer all your vaccination stamps from the old document to the new one? And what if you have a lot? It would be difficult to find the particular stamp or there might not be enough pages to hold all the stamps. Passports are a good thought, but they have limits.

If this is something that needs to be done then let's use technology and do it right. A chip implanted under the skin could hold all that information with no problem. Medical personal could easily update the information when new vaccinations are given. Scanners installed at the entrances to trains or airports or sports stadiums could automatically read the chip for the required vaccinations and alarm when someone isn't safe. For smaller or temporary venues, a hand scanner could do the same thing. The technology likely exists, let's use it.

But technology fails sometimes too. The chips would need batteries which could run down or the chips could fail or perhaps the chip could even be removed or lost. Plus, there may be some low-tech countries that could not afford the chips and scanners. Maybe a better, more economical solution would be to tattoo a number on everyone's forearm and have a global database that holds the information. It would be easy to manually read the number, to enter it on forms, or even to have a scanner read it optically. A globally-unique ID should be possible and numerical tattoos have been around for a while. If carrying and presenting this information is that critical then let's do it right.

Gee, I'm all for some sort of vaccine proof but I'm not on board for chipping or tattoos. There has to be another way.

[Tmarkwald]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Great idea. This would work but only for people who have passports. Not everyone has one if they don't travel internationally.

There is also the fact that the actual layout of the passport is by international agreement and has no 'vaccination' page. That could certainly be added for future issuances, but, as you said, this is America. Not everyone has a passport. And in 3rd world countries hardly anyone has anything at all.

Tough decisions.

[MDLNB]

Vaccinations should be tattooed on you so that everyone can tell you are safe. Maybe a chip, also. Like your pets. That way, you have the added advantage in case you get lost and the authorities need to return you to your residence. Some folks NEED constant supervision. Perhaps "Visiting Angels" should be provided by the gov for those "needy" folks.

[Quixote]

I just read through the 12 pages of this thread. Whew! I especially appreciated (because I learned a lot) those posters who validated their views with the sources they based their views on. A far cry from those whose postings are nothing more than what sounds like (and I could be wrong) defensive personal opinions.

There is nothing funny about Covid-19, especially to the millions of victims and their families, even it they make up such a small percentage of total population. I had two persons very close to me (and two others more casual friends) who died of this horrific disease, leaving their families devastated.

But I can already imagine the kind of stand-up that will eventually come, possibly along the lines of part of these posts:

Originally Posted by twinklesweep

....I can get overwhelmed by too much complicated information, and it’s at times like this—vaccine or no vaccine, masks or no masks, social distancing or not—that I ask myself:

“What would be the choices of such publicly known figures as American businessman Herman Cain, US Congressman-elect Luke Letlow, East African nation Tanzania President John Magufuli, actress Cloris Leachman, baseball star Tom Seaver, and others to these questions?”....

Originally Posted by DAVES

Huh-Herman Cain has past away. I would not ask him. I could not ask him....

After reading the second post, I reread the first, and did a little homework. All the persons mentioned had died of Covid—or at least Covid was a factor. The poster said nothing about asking the victims but instead asking himself or herself if those victims would still be alive if they had a different attitude and made different choices about the seriousness of Covid. At least that’s what I take from it.

Remember we survived “the trampling on our civil liberties” when seat belts became mandatory. We will survive Covid too (though not Cain, Leflow, Magufulu, Leachman, and Seaver—and millions of others).

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by MDLNB

Vaccinations should be tattooed on you so that everyone can tell you are safe. Maybe a chip, also. Like your pets. That way, you have the added advantage in case you get lost and the authorities need to return you to your residence. Some folks NEED constant supervision. Perhaps "Visiting Angels" should be provided by the gov for those "needy" folks.

Ja, mein Fuhrer!

[stanley]

Originally Posted by MDLNB

Vaccinations should be tattooed on you so that everyone can tell you are safe. Maybe a chip, also. Like your pets. That way, you have the added advantage in case you get lost and the authorities need to return you to your residence. Some folks NEED constant supervision. Perhaps "Visiting Angels" should be provided by the gov for those "needy" folks.

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[Tmarkwald]

Originally Posted by Quixote

Remember we survived “the trampling on our civil liberties” when seat belts became mandatory.

The seat belt thing didn't make me as irritated as the 55 MPH speed limit!