Originally Posted by terrild53 (Post 1903493)

The nurses at the Lake County Vaccination Site last week said that after we get our 2nd vaccination we can laminate the card we received to keep in wallets for travel, since right now International travel requires proof of having received vaccine and it’s likely domestic travel could require proof in the future as well. Nothing was said about anything “turning black” if laminated. You can buy the laminating sheets in Staples and it simply sticks on whatever you’re applying it to then trim off any excess. Not a big deal.

Originally Posted by dtennent (Post 1903468)

First - with regard to the small pox vaccinations - they were discontinued in the US when there was no small pox in most of the world. Today, there are no known cases of small pox anywhere in the world. Hence, there is no need to vaccinate people against small pox.

Second - While most people will suffer only mild conditions with Covid-19, the fact is ICU units were being swamped by the folks who suffered from serious conditions. While I am very healthy, I am not willing to bet that I won't need an ICU bed.

Third - We are just learning about the longer term effects from this virus with folks who seemed to have only mild symptoms.

I have no disagreement with your stating that these vaccines were developed at "warp speed". However, given the situation, I think the collective government agencies from around the world did the appropriate thing. The usual development of vaccines ( or any drug) takes 10+ years. This is to minimize risk to larger test groups. The initial smaller group tests with years of review were skipped. Instead larger groups were tested much sooner meaning that the individuals in those trials were at greater risk than what would normally happen. The results from those trials showed that some vaccines were not effective (and the trial stopped - Merck vaccine) or that the vaccines were effective and were scaled up.

While I respect your decision not to get vaccinated, please don't use scare tactics to persuade others to follow your decision.

Originally Posted by Lynnesail (Post 1903309)

The lot number is on the card. Should there be any issues in the future, you can be notified.

Originally Posted by ureout (Post 1903064)

wife and I went for our 2nd shot today and was told not to laminate the original card.. lamination turns the card black.. they advised us to take a picture of card and keep it on our phones also you can print out a copy of the picture/card and laminate that

Originally Posted by Dgizzi (Post 1903270)

Haven’t got my shot yet! What is this card about? You actually get a “card” saying you got the shot? Like a note from your Mom!

Originally Posted by Fisherman (Post 1903355)

Your sarcasm really adds no value to this discussion. My Dr immediately scanned it in to my record. If there are adverse reactions down the road, he can report it to the CDC with the lot number. It is not a question of what you tell your Dr and if he or she chooses to believe you. If your Dr did not want to document your vaccination record, had you had one, in to your medical records, maybe you should be looking for a new Dr.

Originally Posted by stebooo (Post 1903519)

Why laminate at all?

Originally Posted by kathyspear (Post 1903561)

Lot number is not on my card. Just says "Pfizer", the date given, and "EMS" and "LAKE DOH" for healthcare professional (no name even!)

k.

Originally Posted by dhdallas (Post 1903397)

“Vaccines can cause anaphylaxis and other dangerous life-threatening side effects.” - NIH (National Institute of Health)

Example: “The United States stopped giving mandatory smallpox vaccinations 30 years ago. Some people die from it; and others have serious reactions, some permanent. Scientists say it's the most dangerous vaccine known to man.” - CBS News, 60 Minutes

These new COVID vaccines containing genetic instructions were rushed into use with extremely short trial periods. According to the IFPMA, the development of novel vaccines is a long endeavor. “It takes usually between 10 to 15 years to develop a novel vaccine, as well as establishing its quality, safety and efficacy.” states the International Federation of Pharmaceutical Manufacturers & Associations.

The NIH, CDC, Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority (BARDA), and the Department of Defense (DoD) combined to find the vaccine and dubbed the project OWS which stands for “Operation Warp Speed”. - Source/NIH’s National Institute of Infectious Diseases.

So bear in mind when you are being told that this vaccine is safe that this is the same government whose EPA said the air quality at the 9/11 site was safe for the cleanup workers, the DoD who had no qualms conducting LSD experiments on unsuspecting soldiers and said there was no cancer link to Agent Orange, and for-profit drug companies who market drugs in third world countries even though the same drugs have been banned in the U.S. and Europe due to harmful side effects. From 08/30/2017 to 02/03/2021 327 drugs previously approved by the FDA as safe & effective were recalled. This information was obtained from the FDA’s official website.

My final concern is that the COVID vaccines utilize genetic engineering. Messenger RNA vaccines (mRNA) vaccines have strands of genetic material called mRNA - source/CDC

I am NOT an “anti-vaxxer” nor a conspiracy theorist. I have had the DPT, pneumococcal polysaccharide vaccine, HBV, and the zoster vaccine. I am susceptible and was routinely exposed to these diseases at my workplace. These vaccines have a proven record and were not rushed into production.

For those who have NOT already had a positive COVID test, I would carefully weigh the pros & cons of a new, relatively untested vaccine developed at “warp speed” (their words not mine) that uses genetic engineering against a virus that is just a nuisance for most people. Before you jump on me for stating it is “just a nuisance for most people” here is another direct quote from the WHO; “Most people infected with the COVID-19 virus will experience mild to moderate respiratory illness and recover without requiring special treatment.” COVID is not on a plane with Ebola, the Plague, Cholera, Malaria, or Yellow Fever. Not even close!

- David Dallas EMT-Paramedic, RN, ASN, Retired