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JimC55 10-21-2017 12:12 PM
Saw one in Dunedin this morning. He was walking down a golf cart path.


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Mrs. Robinson 10-22-2017 01:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Carl in Tampa (Post 1463308)
In considering the problem of the growth of the coyote population in The Villages a question occurred to me. Note that this is only a question, not a suggestion that this is a solution.

I'm wondering how many plastic bags of garbage are being torn open by animals prior to pick up by the garbage trucks. If this is becoming a wide spread problem, perhaps it is related to the coyote problem.

There are three possible scenarios:

1. Coyotes are omnivorous. They may be tearing open the plastic garbage bags lying at the street awaiting pickup either for meat or for vegetable contents. The large quantity of food available from this source could eventually lead to a very large coyote population in The Villages.

2. Other smaller animals, such as rats, squirrels, raccoons, opossums, and others, may be getting into the garbage, which allows their numbers to grow, providing more prey for the growing coyote population in The Villages.

3. Both 1 and 2, above, are true.

It would be interesting if data could be gathered to determine if there is a widespread problem with garbage bags being torn open prior to pickup. If this is a problem, it may provide a clue to the increase in the local coyote population.

IF this were to be determined to be a factor in the rise of the coyote population, a possible solution would be to require all garbage to be in closed, hard plastic trash cans. This is the practice in Tampa, where these cans are designed to be picked up and dumped into a trash truck with an automated system which is a part of the truck. In Tampa, the cans are provided by the local government, and separate cans are provided for trash and for recyclable items.

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Originally Posted by Henryk (Post 1463317)
Ordinarily, I do not put food waste into the trash. Most of it goes into the sink disposal. Ordinarily, I simmer bones for stock and then they are also soft enough to go in the disposal.
Carl -- you always give such good information on most topics and this is another one of them.
At personal level, I don't think ripped open plastic trash bags needs to be a widespread problem.
As long as there is some of this happening, and there is, it warrants having the trash cans you describe and show.
Regardless of the fact that so many people are against trash receptacles because they don't want to be bothered with them, it is the only solution that makes sense, particularly to solve the "critter" problem.

Waste Management provides the type of can you have shown. Unfortunately, we do not have Waste Management.
I believe the reason we don't have that type of trash can and recycling can is because the developer doesn't want to go to the expense of providing them.
No -- instead residents have to go to the expense of buying trash bags which only adds to the millions of bags that don't disintegrate in the landfills.

HenryK -- Good for you! You are one of the few who doesn't throw garbage in with your trash.
I do a similar thing that you do.
I save up Chicken bones in the freezer until I have enough and when I do I pressure cook them.
When they are soft, I put them in a blender to pulverize them and then add it to our dogs' food.
I also have a compost bin for vegetable and plant remains.

I wish more people cared about our environment, but alas -- they don't because it's usually too much of a bother.

CFrance 10-22-2017 02:45 AM
I agree with the trash can issue, but a problem is that the garages in TV homes are too narrow to accommodate them. We would have to do some additional landscaping in order to keep them at the side of the house--which we would be happy to do, BTW.

billethkid 10-22-2017 08:14 AM
Perhaps the current method is least cost?
Least unsightly?

Abby10 10-22-2017 08:34 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mrs. Robinson (Post 1464813)
Carl -- you always give such good information on most topics and this is another one of them.
At personal level, I don't think ripped open plastic trash bags needs to be a widespread problem.
As long as there is some of this happening, and there is, it warrants having the trash cans you describe and show.
Regardless of the fact that so many people are against trash receptacles because they don't want to be bothered with them, it is the only solution that makes sense, particularly to solve the "critter" problem.

Waste Management provides the type of can you have shown. Unfortunately, we do not have Waste Management.
I believe the reason we don't have that type of trash can and recycling can is because the developer doesn't want to go to the expense of providing them.
No -- instead residents have to go to the expense of buying trash bags which only adds to the millions of bags that don't disintegrate in the landfills.

HenryK -- Good for you! You are one of the few who doesn't throw garbage in with your trash.
I do a similar thing that you do.
I save up Chicken bones in the freezer until I have enough and when I do I pressure cook them.
When they are soft, I put them in a blender to pulverize them and then add it to our dogs' food.
I also have a compost bin for vegetable and plant remains.

I wish more people cared about our environment, but alas -- they don't because it's usually too much of a bother.
I like not having to deal with trash cans in TV. Up north, they always seem so unsightly and then there's the problem with people leaving them out too long, wind blowing them over, and they can get pretty heavy even with wheels. Never thought it was cheapness on the part of the developer - husband and I thought it was just a better way to keep the community looking nicer. If there is a major problem with bags being torn open though, I can see the reason to change the current system.

Regarding coyotes, when we were down in September, we spotted one in the vicinity of the Villages of Sanibel/Charlotte. As we rounded a bend in our golf cart, we realized that it appeared to be tracking a couple of women who were walking their small dogs. We rushed up to alert them. They said they were aware and frightened. We escorted them home hoping the golf cart noise would keep the coyote away. Fortunately, they got home safely with their dogs. I said to my husband, instead of being on community watch, we were on coyote watch that night! :D

CFrance 10-22-2017 09:51 AM
[QUOTE=Abby10;1464874]I like not having to deal with trash cans in TV. Up north, they always seem so unsightly and then there's the problem with people leaving them out too long, wind blowing them over, and they can get pretty heavy even with wheels. Never thought it was cheapness on the part of the developer - husband and I thought it was just a better way to keep the community looking nicer. If there is a major problem with bags being torn open though, I can see the reason to change the current system.

Regarding coyotes, when we were down in September, we spotted one in the vicinity of the Villages of Sanibel/Charlotte. As we rounded a bend in our golf cart, we realized that it appeared to be tracking a couple of women who were walking their small dogs. We rushed up to alert them. They said they were aware and frightened. We escorted them home hoping the golf cart noise would keep the coyote away. Fortunately, they got home safely with their dogs. I said to my husband, instead of being on community watch, we were on coyote watch that night! :D[/QUOTE
Kudos to you! Neighbors helping out.

Mrs. Robinson 10-22-2017 05:05 PM
There is Nothing Worse Than Ripped Open Trash Bags!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 1464864)
Perhaps the current method is least cost?
Least unsightly?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Abby10 (Post 1464874)
I like not having to deal with trash cans in TV. Up north, they always seem so unsightly and then there's the problem with people leaving them out too long, wind blowing them over, and they can get pretty heavy even with wheels. Never thought it was cheapness on the part of the developer - husband and I thought it was just a better way to keep the community looking nicer. If there is a major problem with bags being torn open though, I can see the reason to change the current system.
Yes, the current method is the least cost, for the developer, not the homeowner who has to purchase the plastic bags.
And it amazes me that no one cares that these bags do not disintegrate in the landfills.
It's as though no one cares about future generations (grandchildren?) because that who these contaminates will affect.

There are trash bags which are ripped open with trash and garbage strewn all over the street.
Is there anything more unsightly than that???

Why do people make excuses that trash cans are unsightly and because they aren't taken back in when you think it should be done.
If there are "rules" regarding when trash can be placed out, there would be "rules" for when the receptacles have to be taken back in.

manaboutown 10-22-2017 05:32 PM
Coyote proof. Gator proof. Let's hope it does not come to needing to bear proof TV's trash. Counties roll out bear-proof trash cans as the opportunistic eaters' range expands - Orlando Sentinel

Carl in Tampa 10-22-2017 06:11 PM
Lions and tigers and bears.........oh my.
 
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Originally Posted by manaboutown (Post 1465107)
Coyote proof. Gator proof. Let's hope it does not come to needing to bear proof TV's trash. Counties roll out bear-proof trash cans as the opportunistic eaters' range expands - Orlando Sentinel
Lions, and tigers, and bears............oh my.

Lions, Tigers, Bears - The Wizard Of Oz - YouTube

ColdNoMore 10-22-2017 06:18 PM
Rumor has it, that there are many more cougars here than coyotes.

Abby10 10-22-2017 06:24 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mrs. Robinson (Post 1465096)
Yes, the current method is the least cost, for the developer, not the homeowner who has to purchase the plastic bags.
And it amazes me that no one cares that these bags do not disintegrate in the landfills.
It's as though no one cares about future generations (grandchildren?) because that who these contaminates will affect.

There are trash bags which are ripped open with trash and garbage strewn all over the street.
Is there anything more unsightly than that???

Why do people make excuses that trash cans are unsightly and because they aren't taken back in when you think it should be done.
If there are "rules" regarding when trash can be placed out, there would be "rules" for when the receptacles have to be taken back in.
I'm a little lost here when you talk about the use of plastic trash bags. Even if you had trash cans for your trash, wouldn't you still be using trash bags? Unless you're speaking of disposal of recyclable materials, then I see your point, but since you mention landfills I'm thinking otherwise. :shrug:

elshackovillages 10-23-2017 06:24 AM
There is no reported attack on a human, by a coyote, in the state of Florida. Southeastern coyotes do not attack pets being walked on leashes, as coyotes are opportunistic animals. They will, however, keep coming around an area where they have seen small dogs or cats running free. They will watch and wait for that opening, and they will kill your pet. But, the rules of the Villages prohibit people from letting their pets run free or tying them up outside, so, there should not be any problems with coyotes. But, there is. Every dog killed by a coyote, was illegally running free. That means the owner put their dog's life in danger as well as broke the rules of the Villages. If you love your pet, keep it on a short leash and obey the rules.

Mrs. Robinson 10-23-2017 06:30 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Abby10 (Post 1465127)
I'm a little lost here when you talk about the use of plastic trash bags. Even if you had trash cans for your trash, wouldn't you still be using trash bags? Unless you're speaking of disposal of recyclable materials, then I see your point, but since you mention landfills I'm thinking otherwise. :shrug:
No.
Trash bags aren't necessary in a trash can.
I never put garbage in with trash; that's what garbage disposals are for.

gap2415 10-23-2017 06:52 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mrs. Robinson (Post 1465096)
Yes, the current method is the least cost, for the developer, not the homeowner who has to purchase the plastic bags.
And it amazes me that no one cares that these bags do not disintegrate in the landfills.
It's as though no one cares about future generations (grandchildren?) because that who these contaminates will affect.

There are trash bags which are ripped open with trash and garbage strewn all over the street.
Is there anything more unsightly than that???

Why do people make excuses that trash cans are unsightly and because they aren't taken back in when you think it should be done.
If there are "rules" regarding when trash can be placed out, there would be "rules" for when the receptacles have to be taken back in.
In the Port Charlotte area, giant garbage cans were provided free to all households, one for recycling. Like many, an attractive little fence was put on the driveway side of the house and we easily wheeled it to the curb. All neighborhood cans matched. From then on, only one garbage person was needed as an arm from the truck picked the cans up and put them in the truck before lowering it back in place. At first, many even us, resisted the change but soon got to like it. Later, on a trip to Toronto, we saw how people had recycling down to an art. Even kitchen leftovers and potato peels went into plastic buckets that were picked up for recycling. Most used their own recycle bags in stores. Toronto had a big garbage\landfill problem and sought ways to solve it. Even in the country areas, lots of different large containers were at strategic points for separation of various recycled items and people used them. When I came back to Florida and saw all the plastic bags being used in stores, I had a sinking feeling that we complain about the environment but do much less than we can to protect it.

gap2415 10-23-2017 07:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Nodipecten (Post 1463339)
The pack of coyotes live right behind my house on Lake Miona, they were here earlier in the year then left somewhere but I can hear them almost every night at dusk just a few yards behind my house. A week ago I spotted a pack of four in the middle of the day catching mice or rats in the long grass between the house and the lake and was able to take a picture but rushed to the lanai to bring my cats in.
If we have a rat problem, and kill off all the feral kitties, why wouldn't the coyotes move in. I'd rather cats than rats especially with the new no kill, back into the neighborhood with a clipped ear and shots Program out...our neighborhood patrol! Coyotes not so much as they kill our pets when we let them loose. We need a war on rats I think, the coyotes just might head elsewhere as it is harder to snatch a well-guarded pet.

TNLAKEPANDA 10-23-2017 07:36 AM
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Originally Posted by manaboutown (Post 1462468)
I have lived around coyotes most of my life (still do in NM and CA). Friends of mine lost several of their cats which liked to roam free to coyotes. Best to stay with your (leashed) dog when it is out. Coyotes are very smart wild animals. They are stealthy, quick to react, can move fast and I can verify are very difficult to hit with a scoped .243 rifle out on a ranch in broad daylight! Please, do not try to shoot one in an urban environment with a handgun! Use pepper spray or the like.

If you know of a nearby coyote den, find a trapper to take care of it.
We are from AZ and lived out in the desert 🌵 with the coyotes. They are very smart animals and will out witt you every time. Pepper spray is ok but chances are if they are that close you are already in big trouble. We are trained using firearms and I would have one on me to use as a last use option.

Taltarzac725 10-23-2017 08:12 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TNLAKEPANDA (Post 1465299)
We are from AZ and lived out in the desert 🌵 with the coyotes. They are very smart animals and will out witt you every time. Pepper spray is ok but chances are if they are that close you are already in big trouble. We are trained using firearms and I would have one on me to use as a last use option.
Throw golf balls at them. Seems to have worked in other communities. Geneva Adopts Plan to "Haze" Coyotes - NBC Chicago

Henryk 10-23-2017 10:03 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mrs. Robinson (Post 1464813)
Carl -- you always give such good information on most topics and this is another one of them.
At personal level, I don't think ripped open plastic trash bags needs to be a widespread problem.
As long as there is some of this happening, and there is, it warrants having the trash cans you describe and show.
Regardless of the fact that so many people are against trash receptacles because they don't want to be bothered with them, it is the only solution that makes sense, particularly to solve the "critter" problem.

Waste Management provides the type of can you have shown. Unfortunately, we do not have Waste Management.
I believe the reason we don't have that type of trash can and recycling can is because the developer doesn't want to go to the expense of providing them.
No -- instead residents have to go to the expense of buying trash bags which only adds to the millions of bags that don't disintegrate in the landfills.

HenryK -- Good for you! You are one of the few who doesn't throw garbage in with your trash.
I do a similar thing that you do.
I save up Chicken bones in the freezer until I have enough and when I do I pressure cook them.
When they are soft, I put them in a blender to pulverize them and then add it to our dogs' food.
I also have a compost bin for vegetable and plant remains.

I wish more people cared about our environment, but alas -- they don't because it's usually too much of a bother.
Mrs. R., I have a dual rotating compost unit. I was shocked to find that (I assume was) squirrels ATE through ROUNDED edges to get inside. How do you avoid rodent problems?

Island57 10-23-2017 06:15 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by elshackovillages (Post 1465262)
There is no reported attack on a human, by a coyote, in the state of Florida. Southeastern coyotes do not attack pets being walked on leashes, as coyotes are opportunistic animals. They will, however, keep coming around an area where they have seen small dogs or cats running free. They will watch and wait for that opening, and they will kill your pet. But, the rules of the Villages prohibit people from letting their pets run free or tying them up outside, so, there should not be any problems with coyotes. But, there is. Every dog killed by a coyote, was illegally running free. That means the owner put their dog's life in danger as well as broke the rules of the Villages. If you love your pet, keep it on a short leash and obey the rules.
Exactly. Common sense. This should not even be an issue. Keep your eyes and a leash on your pet!

Mrs. Robinson 10-23-2017 10:33 PM
I Can't Think of a Solution
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Henryk (Post 1465371)
Mrs. R., I have a dual rotating compost unit. I was shocked to find that (I assume was) squirrels ATE through ROUNDED edges to get inside. How do you avoid rodent problems?
I have had a compost bin for the past 25 years or so, no matter where I've lived.
Currently, I probably have the same one you have now (dual sided and rotating).

I have not had the problem you are having and can't think of a real solution that would work.
Can you attach a flag that would wave in the breeze or sit one of those plastic owl figures on top?

I hate to say this, but it probably isn't a squirrel. Is it happening during the day or at night? That would tell you what it is -- rat or squirrel, but it still doesn't solve your problem.

Rats have been here long before us and will be here well after we are gone.
Yeah, I know; that isn't helping solve your problem, either.
I'll put my thinking cap on and try to come up with something that might help you out.

SandiG 10-24-2017 04:16 AM
Guns and Coyote's do not mix in town
 
Moving here from Colorado for years we lived around coyote, elk, deer, mountain lions, bears, bobcats, etc. At NO TIME did we have to use a gun in town. Why? Simple: WE DIDN'T FEED THE WILDLIFE. If you are worried... Best thing to do is carry bear spray. It works folks !! and from afar. Whistles also work. Its funny how animals can live around humans but somehow humans have such a hard time living around wild animals.
We were wondering since we kayak if bear spray would work on alligators. :)

Barefoot 10-24-2017 08:50 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SandiG (Post 1465727)
We were wondering since we kayak if bear spray would work on alligators.
You would only get one chance to see if it deterred gators; I wouldn't rely on it. :evil6:
But unless you fall out of the kayak, you shouldn't have to worry. I haven't read about gators taking kayakers.

Henryk 10-24-2017 09:27 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mrs. Robinson (Post 1465641)
I have had a compost bin for the past 25 years or so, no matter where I've lived.
Currently, I probably have the same one you have now (dual sided and rotating).

I have not had the problem you are having and can't think of a real solution that would work.
Can you attach a flag that would wave in the breeze or sit one of those plastic owl figures on top?

I hate to say this, but it probably isn't a squirrel. Is it happening during the day or at night? That would tell you what it is -- rat or squirrel, but it still doesn't solve your problem.

Rats have been here long before us and will be here well after we are gone.
Yeah, I know; that isn't helping solve your problem, either.
I'll put my thinking cap on and try to come up with something that might help you out.
I suppose it could have been a rat, I don't know when the damage occurred. But what floors me is this--how could either have gotten their choppers on a rounded edge without holes?

Mrs. Robinson 10-24-2017 11:20 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Henryk (Post 1465913)
I suppose it could have been a rat, I don't know when the damage occurred. But what floors me is this--how could either have gotten their choppers on a rounded edge without holes?
Rounded edge -- any edge.

They don't chomp; they gnaw!

ficoguy 10-25-2017 10:33 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jima64 (Post 1462422)
Shoot to kill.
Stand your ground.

Carl in Tampa 10-25-2017 11:48 PM
Living with alligators.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by SandiG (Post 1465727)
Moving here from Colorado for years we lived around coyote, elk, deer, mountain lions, bears, bobcats, etc. At NO TIME did we have to use a gun in town. Why? Simple: WE DIDN'T FEED THE WILDLIFE. If you are worried... Best thing to do is carry bear spray. It works folks !! and from afar. Whistles also work. Its funny how animals can live around humans but somehow humans have such a hard time living around wild animals.
We were wondering since we kayak if bear spray would work on alligators. :)
I would be extremely skeptical that an irritating spray would be very effective on alligators. These sprays are usually intended to irritate the eyes, nostrils, and throat of the target.

Alligators have an extra protective membrane over their eyes (and under their eyelids) called a nictitating membrane. This membrane reflexively moves to protect their eyes when they feel something might touch their eye. This membrane allows them to keep their eyes open under water without irritation. I would expect it to also protect them from irritant spray.

The gators can also close their nostrils, perhaps minimizing irritation from a spray, and they have a large muscle that closes off their throat so they can open their mouth under water to attack prey.

In addition, if you spray a gator when it is in the water, it can quickly submerge to wash off the spray, and return.

You might want to review the Florida Fish and Wildlife brochure on "Living with alligators."

http://myfwc.com/media/152524/Alligator-Brochure.pdf

OhioBuckeye 10-26-2017 04:03 PM
If you let your dog out to do their business after dark, just make sure it's a Pit Bull. Coyotes have been know to take a pet owners dog even while on a leach. I used to hunt coyotes when I lived in Ohio. They're very quick. They can snatch a dog or cat before you even hardly see them.

Sandtrap328 10-27-2017 07:26 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by OhioBuckeye (Post 1466962)
If you let your dog out to do their business after dark, just make sure it's a Pit Bull. Coyotes have been know to take a pet owners dog even while on a leach. I used to hunt coyotes when I lived in Ohio. They're very quick. They can snatch a dog or cat before you even hardly see them.
True, HOWEVER, none of the dogs taken by coyotes in The Villages have been on leashes!

100% of the blame goes on the owners who let the dog out without a leash.

gap2415 10-27-2017 08:02 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Barefoot (Post 1465869)
You would only get one chance to see if it deterred gators; I wouldn't rely on it. :evil6:
But unless you fall out of the kayak, you shouldn't have to worry. I haven't read about gators taking kayakers.
In SW Florida, I looked out my window and saw a canoe going by in the water. A gator was trying to bite the end of it. Lots of gators lived on a wee island nearby and were exceptionally huge. I think they got irritated by all the boat traffic and it was Spring...mating time. The guy got away and I never saw him out there again. Some gators are bigger than kayaks.

CFrance 10-27-2017 09:11 AM
Last whiz before bed--very short leash and just far enough off the driveway to reach the neighbor's side yard.

Ha ha KIDDING!!! Seriously, I and our very large, easily overheated dog used to take long walks after dark. But we don't anymore thanks to the beneficial information on TOTV and the online news about sightings and precautions to take.

chuck90199 10-28-2017 08:47 AM
Coyotes?
 
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Saw this on Facebook...

Chi-Town 10-28-2017 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by chuck90199 (Post 1467489)
Saw this on Facebook...
That is LOL hilarious.

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Henryk 10-28-2017 11:02 AM
In a way, that's too funny for words. In another way, Eek! :shocked:

Chi-Town 10-28-2017 12:30 PM
Just thinking that it took all night to get it clean and then resting comfortably on a bed cracks me up. Somebody has a great sense of humor. No collar and a little aggressive. That is funny!

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CFrance 10-28-2017 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Chi-Town (Post 1467541)
That is LOL hilarious.

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If you liked that, Google "Woman convinces husband she's adopted a coyote." I can't get an exact link to post for some reason. It's a text thread between her and her husband. Language disclaimer: a little rough. But hilarious.

It's also posted in Bored Panda, one of my favorite sites, but I think you have to join. (It's free and a safe site I've been visiting for years. Some wonderful photog.)

Chi-Town 10-28-2017 10:09 PM
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Originally Posted by CFrance (Post 1467651)
If you liked that, Google "Woman convinces husband she's adopted a coyote." I can't get an exact link to post for some reason. It's a text thread between her and her husband. Language disclaimer: a little rough. But hilarious.

It's also posted in Bored Panda, one of my favorite sites, but I think you have to join. (It's free and a safe site I've been visiting for years. Some wonderful photog.)
Those texts were a hoot. Pretty elaborate with Photoshop and a fun script. She was convincing, The photo with the coyote sitting next to their child on the couch was priceless.

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Barefoot 10-28-2017 11:00 PM
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Originally Posted by CFrance (Post 1467651)
If you liked that, Google "Woman convinces husband she's adopted a coyote." I can't get an exact link to post for some reason. It's a text thread between her and her husband. Language disclaimer: a little rough. But hilarious.
I needed a laugh so I just googled it, absolutely hilarious. I haven't laughed that hard in a very long time!

Mrs. Robinson 10-30-2017 04:02 AM
I completely lost it when I read she named him "Spot!"

CFrance 10-30-2017 05:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Mrs. Robinson (Post 1468152)
I completely lost it when I read she named him "Spot!"
Me too!

OhioBuckeye 10-30-2017 08:17 AM
Oh, I think you're mistaken. I think some lady in the village of Charlotte had her Yorkie or a pet about that size on a leash & she didn't have a good hold on it & a I'm pretty sure a coyote that was hiding behind some bushes snatched it. I think that was only about 2 1/2 months ago. I had a coyote snatch my backpack that was sitting beside a tree where I was hunting from. I took a shot at it & missed & the coyote dropped it because it was to heavy to run away with. This report I'm talking about was in our Charlotte area news. Maybe this was a first!


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