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Shimpy 09-11-2015 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by joldnol (Post 1112453)
Their sports department writes with a big ten bias and they think they live in Ohio or Michigan.
BOY, you can say that again. Also they never heard of college baseball even though 3 teams in this state, Miami, Fla. State, and Florida are always ranked near the top. I have to go to internet to get baseball scores.

dbussone 09-11-2015 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by TheVillageChicken (Post 1112602)
Including esteemed mathematicians working in the field of subadditivity.

Say what? I love to learn VC please explain.

simpkinp 09-11-2015 08:52 PM
As far as teams in this state, they favor The Univerity of Florida and ignore Florida State and the University of Miami. I contacted someone with the paper and asked why and they said "because Florida the "local team". Really? They have not exactly been outstanding the last few years, but more importantly, there are fans here from all over the country. Feature the winners, but also report on those who are struggling. What about the PAC 12? The Big 12? The ACC? The AAC? The FCS teams? Villagers are from all over and teams should all be covered. Whew, I feel better now.

CassieInVa 09-12-2015 12:31 AM
I lovingly call it the Stepford paper … LOL only the best and cheeriest news inside our bubble. But it's okay, because I know where to go to find the not so good news if I need to.

outlaw 09-12-2015 06:50 AM
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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1112431)
Here is what the Orlando Sentinel said about it in March of 2007.
You will see who was paid what.
Villages developer to pay $40 million for recreation upgrades to settle a lawsuit - tribunedigital-orlandosentinel

As far as I can perceive the developer didn't have his hands in any cookie jar. Everything was well maintained as far as I could see. And continues to be.
You need to get your eyes checked...

outlaw 09-12-2015 06:53 AM
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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1112405)
Better yet, why pay for a newspaper that you think is biased. It's kind of like liberals watching fox news
You know of a newspaper that isn't biased?

jnieman 09-12-2015 06:55 AM
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Originally Posted by CassieInVa (Post 1112747)
I lovingly call it the Stepford paper … LOL only the best and cheeriest news inside our bubble. But it's okay, because I know where to go to find the not so good news if I need to.
I kind of compare it to the newspaper you get under your door when you go on a cruise. You get tidbits of news around the ship and the daily activities. If you want major news you may want to subscribe to a major city newspaper.

outlaw 09-12-2015 07:07 AM
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Originally Posted by rubicon (Post 1112568)

This forum will never have an objective conversation about The villages, the Daily sun, the POA or the VHA or anything remotely connected to the aforementioned because its the Hatfield and McCoy mentality again

The rationale is simply a marketing concept. If TVLSI marketing convinced you as a customer that buying into this community was buying value then you will in turn market TVLSI brand and remain a loyal consumer. If marketing did not and somewhere along the way you as a resident felt that you received less then you expected then you won't market the TVLSI brand. When two people operate on different philosophical levels they will just never agree.

So here we are again with "Is so"Ïs not" Ïs so""Is not"..............

Personal Best Regards
Somewhere along the line you left out the matter of truth. Your argument is like saying objective discussions about Jonestown or Scientology can never happen because both sides are biased. No. There is the obvious truth. And then there are the koolaid drinkers. Does anyone really believe, had the developer done nothing wrong, he would have SETTLED for $40M payout? I mean, come on. It's becoming laughable.

Bogie Shooter 09-12-2015 07:53 AM
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Originally Posted by outlaw (Post 1112796)
Somewhere along the line you left out the matter of truth. Your argument is like saying objective discussions about Jonestown or Scientology can never happen because both sides are biased. No. There is the obvious truth. And then there are the koolaid drinkers. Does anyone really believe, had the developer done nothing wrong, he would have SETTLED for $40M payout? I mean, come on. It's becoming laughable.
Did you really just move to The Villages in October 2014?

outlaw 09-12-2015 08:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 1112820)
Did you really just move to The Villages in October 2014?
Some of us catch on quicker than others.

graciegirl 09-12-2015 08:46 AM
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Originally Posted by outlaw (Post 1112790)
You need to get your eyes checked...




I have been here for nine years now. When we lived adjacent to the Odell rec center, I watched them paint the buildings and structures on that property every year. I watched them powerwash the stone fence between our property and Odell. I watched them weed the foundation plantings by the wall and trim them.


As I drive my golf cart just last week, I noticed them repairing a fence that someone drove into and knocked the railing out. I have been watching them remove older manufactured homes in the historic area and replace them with new homes. They paid close to 100k for many and are selling them for 200K. Not really the usual margin. I have watched them see that the common areas are trimmed and weeded and pine straw is added regularly and I see clean streets and areas every day. Pristinely clean. Cleaner than any place I have ever lived or visited. . I have seen the kinds of things they place in new rec centers. Not the usual folding chairs but nicely solid chairs that have been upholstered to match the décor, along with expensive and beautiful furniture and accessories that they could have done much cheaper. I could go on and on. No one needed to sue them to MAKE them care for this place and run it smoothly.


I see your "you need to get your eyes checked" and I offer....Your mother dresses you funny.

Bogie Shooter 09-12-2015 09:30 AM
:BigApplause:

manaboutown 09-12-2015 09:39 AM
Being well aware of its promotional mission I enjoy reading the Daily Sun. I am in tune with its editorial content and enjoy the happy news. There is not much of that around these days.

Warren Kiefer 09-12-2015 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by PennBF (Post 1112390)
It is critical to recognize the absolute lies being printed as opposed to the "TRUTH. In the Daily Sun today it was reported that 6 members of the POA and the attorney's received $7M dollars from the $40M awarded in the last Lawsuit where the Developer got caught with his hands in the Cooker Jar.
How many read that lie and believed that 6 were equal partners in the $7M awarded by the courts ? I will bet a lot actually believed that and that is the way Tutt and the Daily Sun wanted you to believe it. Well the truth the Courts awarded $7M to the Attorneys and ZERO to the 6 who devoted their time and personal funds so the Historical Section could have a good Paradise Rec Center and the assurance the Developer would have to maintain additional Villages property by ordering $40M penalty. The attorney's split $6.7M among themselves and provided $300K to the 6 ($50K per) in order to repay some of the monies they personally invested to help the Historical District, et al and to help pay for some of their time spent on the problem(s). That was at the discretion of the Attorney's with no expectation by the 6!
NOW DOES THAT SOUND LIKE THE 6 WERE PART OF A $7m SPLIT LIKE THE DAILY SUN AND TUTT WOULD HAVE YOU BELIEVE. IT IS OUTRAGES AND DISHONEST TO USE ANY METHOD POSSIBLE NOT EVEN SHORT OF A LIE TO TRY TO DESTROY THE POA. IT IS DISGUSTING. TO ADD TO THIS THEY WENT ON TO SAY THE POA WAS AFTER MONEY IN THE LATEST LAWSUIT. TAKE THE TIME TO READ IT AND SEE ANYWHERE THE POA WAS TO BE PAID ANYTHING.. JUST PLAIN LIES. :rant-rave:
AT LEAST THERE ARE TWO OF US WHO UNDERSTAND HOW THE SETTLEMENT WAS HANDLED. BUT, I WOULD BET THAT THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE READERS STILL BELIEVE THE POA MEMBERS GOT SUPER RICH THRU THE SETTLEMENT AND THIS IS THE REASON THEY FILED THE LATEST LAW SUIT.:BigApplause:
THANKS PENN FOR GETTING IT RIGHT !!!!

Warren Kiefer 09-12-2015 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1112431)
here is what the orlando sentinel said about it in march of 2007.
You will see who was paid what.
villages developer to pay $40 million for recreation upgrades to settle a lawsuit - tribunedigital-orlandosentinel

as far as i can perceive the developer didn't have his hands in any cookie jar. Everything was well maintained as far as i could see. And continues to be.
so are saying the developer wnted to play santa and give us a gift of 40,000,000. Your'e kidding right ???

graciegirl 09-12-2015 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Warren Kiefer (Post 1112921)
so are saying the developer wnted to play santa and give us a gift of 40,000,000. Your'e kidding right ???




What I am saying Warren, is that that nice Republican man, Gary Morse, would probably have done if he weren't sued would be to keep things nice like he had been doing. Even if he was as mean as a snake, it benefited his business to maintain the whole shebang well and keep his customers happy.


Now can you explain just what you think this last law suit was about?

PennBF 09-12-2015 12:34 PM
Did you know the settlement contained a "non-disparagement" clause and the Developer, Plaintiff and Attorneys were NOT to disparage the Settlement per the COURT ORDER. Sounds good right. Woa, stop a minute. Who was left out of the list? The Village manager/voice of the Developer which is Ms Tutt. She was the one who totally disparaged the settlement in the Daily Sun and the one that forced the POA to respond to the attacks and her (Tutt's) disparagement of the agreement. That should say a lot about the Managers ethics. Ms Tutt could not wait to disparage the agreement since the Developer could not.
Does anyone doubt who helped her to put together the attack in the Sun. Terrible way to disrespect the residents by circumventing the Court Order's and go right to "disparagement" which was living up to the letter of the law but ignoring the "spirit" of the law.:grumpy:

goodtimesintv 09-12-2015 12:44 PM
Who ever proclaimed that everybody here has to buy the Daily Sun????

I got it for a year or so and then decided to suspend it because it gets to be redundant. It's no more biased than any other newspaper of a city this size. It's funny when people LIKE "bias" when the bias leans toward their own bias!

When I want to know the nightly Entertainment on the Squares, I look under the Lifestyle menu of thevillages.com

When I want to know the Recreation Schedule in the Sun pullout section weekly, I go to the online version of it at the Sun or at districtgov.org >Departments>Recreation ......etc.......

outlaw 09-12-2015 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1112968)
What I am saying Warren, is that that nice Republican man, Gary Morse, would probably have done if he weren't sued would be to keep things nice like he had been doing. Even if he was as mean as a snake, it benefited his business to maintain the whole shebang well and keep his customers happy.


Now can you explain just what you think this last law suit was about?
A businessman that coughs up $40M in a settlement is either guilty of something or isn't much of a businessman. And most think he was a pretty smart businessman.

jjdees 09-12-2015 02:39 PM
Reading the Sun is a pleasure after being subjected to rags like the Atlanta Journal and others who are so liberally biased that you want to burn the paper before you leave page one and then when you get to page two you really get upset. The lies through omission are there constantly and the printing as facts items that are not factual gets old. The Sun may be slanted in the other direction but they are part of a small minority.

mickey100 09-12-2015 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by outlaw (Post 1112796)
Somewhere along the line you left out the matter of truth. Your argument is like saying objective discussions about Jonestown or Scientology can never happen because both sides are biased. No. There is the obvious truth. And then there are the koolaid drinkers. Does anyone really believe, had the developer done nothing wrong, he would have SETTLED for $40M payout? I mean, come on. It's becoming laughable.
:BigApplause:

biker1 09-12-2015 03:24 PM
I realize that you believe it is your mission in life to defend the developer at all costs. The developer(s) is a big boy(s)/girls(s) and can defend themselves.

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1112968)
What I am saying Warren, is that that nice Republican man, Gary Morse, would probably have done if he weren't sued would be to keep things nice like he had been doing. Even if he was as mean as a snake, it benefited his business to maintain the whole shebang well and keep his customers happy.


Now can you explain just what you think this last law suit was about?

graciegirl 09-12-2015 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by biker1 (Post 1113076)
I realize that you believe it is your mission in life to defend the developer at all costs. The developer(s) is a big boy(s)/girls(s) and can defend themselves.


The developer strikes my fancy. I am a big believer in the American Dream and hard work. This family built this place using the kinds of practices that I trust. They kept improving as they moved along. Better cart paths, more swimming pools, nicer recreation centers etc. etc. They could have paid the fine from the IRS but they believed that the CDD issue was right.


There is NO place on this earth quite like this place that is run by an owner. It is in the black and doing fine, better than Washington is doing right now.


I never ever wanted to live in Florida and the main reason is that almost any area is spotty with beautiful homes next to a home with a car up on blocks. Not here. There is so much to look up to about The Villages and the family that built it.


I am only sorry that my dream of shaking Gary Morse's hand never came true. Maybe someday I will be able to meet Jennifer Parr or Mark Morse or the other daughter, I just went blank. I hope they are as nice as I think they are. But this place is a dream come true for older people. And I am enjoying the heck out of it.


There are people who like free enterprise being successful and I am one of them.

biker1 09-12-2015 03:50 PM
Yes, I get all that and I like living here also. However, people are entitled to their opinion and you jump all over anyone who doesn't drink the Koolaid. Consider that hearing the same old/same old gets tired after the nth iteration. In a public forum, people can certainly subject others to their opinion. Consider the fact that we know your opinion and you don't have to keep repeating it. Just sayin ...

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1113085)
The developer strikes my fancy. I am a big believer in the American Dream and hard work. This family built this place using the kinds of practices that I trust. They kept improving as they moved along. Better cart paths, more swimming pools, nicer recreation centers etc. etc. They could have paid the fine from the IRS but they believed that the CDD issue was right.


There is NO place on this earth quite like this place that is run by an owner. It is in the black and doing fine, better than Washington is doing right now.


I never ever wanted to live in Florida and the main reason is that almost any area is spotty with beautiful homes next to a home with a car up on blocks. Not here. There is so much to look up to about The Villages and the family that built it.


I am only sorry that my dream of shaking Gary Morse's hand never came true. Maybe someday I will be able to meet Jennifer Parr or Mark Morse or the other daughter, I just went blank. I hope they are as nice as I think they are. But this place is a dream come true for older people. And I am enjoying the heck out of it.


There are people who like free enterprise being successful and I am one of them.

golfing eagles 09-12-2015 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1113085)
The developer strikes my fancy. I am a big believer in the American Dream and hard work. This family built this place using the kinds of practices that I trust. They kept improving as they moved along. Better cart paths, more swimming pools, nicer recreation centers etc. etc. They could have paid the fine from the IRS but they believed that the CDD issue was right.


There is NO place on this earth quite like this place that is run by an owner. It is in the black and doing fine, better than Washington is doing right now.


I never ever wanted to live in Florida and the main reason is that almost any area is spotty with beautiful homes next to a home with a car up on blocks. Not here. There is so much to look up to about The Villages and the family that built it.


I am only sorry that my dream of shaking Gary Morse's hand never came true. Maybe someday I will be able to meet Jennifer Parr or Mark Morse or the other daughter, I just went blank. I hope they are as nice as I think they are. But this place is a dream come true for older people. And I am enjoying the heck out of it.


There are people who like free enterprise being successful and I am one of them.
:BigApplause:

Besides, It's the Daily Sun, not the NY Times. Why can't we just accept it for what it is. Biased or not, the VDS does not have a news monopoly, some are making it out to be a publication of Joseph Goebbels, Inc.

outlaw 09-12-2015 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1113085)
The developer strikes my fancy. I am a big believer in the American Dream and hard work. This family built this place using the kinds of practices that I trust. They kept improving as they moved along. Better cart paths, more swimming pools, nicer recreation centers etc. etc. They could have paid the fine from the IRS but they believed that the CDD issue was right.


There is NO place on this earth quite like this place that is run by an owner. It is in the black and doing fine, better than Washington is doing right now.


I never ever wanted to live in Florida and the main reason is that almost any area is spotty with beautiful homes next to a home with a car up on blocks. Not here. There is so much to look up to about The Villages and the family that built it.


I am only sorry that my dream of shaking Gary Morse's hand never came true. Maybe someday I will be able to meet Jennifer Parr or Mark Morse or the other daughter, I just went blank. I hope they are as nice as I think they are. But this place is a dream come true for older people. And I am enjoying the heck out of it.


There are people who like free enterprise being successful and I am one of them.
OK. This is starting to get creepy....:smiley:

Bogie Shooter 09-12-2015 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by outlaw (Post 1113094)
OK. This is starting to get creepy....:smiley:
That's what I thought about the lynching crew on the tree cutting thread.

outlaw 09-12-2015 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 1113098)
That's what I thought about the lynching crew on the tree cutting thread.
Uh oh. You had to bring that up...

joldnol 09-12-2015 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1113090)
:BigApplause:

Besides, It's the Daily Sun, not the NY Times. Why can't we just accept it for what it is. Biased or not, the VDS does not have a news monopoly, some are making it out to be a publication of Joseph Goebbels, Inc.
nope, that honor belongs to Fox

biker1 09-12-2015 04:15 PM
WTF? Time to close this thread as inanity has taken control.

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Originally Posted by joldnol (Post 1113106)
nope, that honor belongs to Fox

Polar Bear 09-12-2015 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by biker1 (Post 1113101)
And what, pray tell, is your problem?
I didn't see a problem...just a very legitimate question.

dbussone 09-12-2015 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1113085)
The developer strikes my fancy. I am a big believer in the American Dream and hard work. This family built this place using the kinds of practices that I trust. They kept improving as they moved along. Better cart paths, more swimming pools, nicer recreation centers etc. etc. They could have paid the fine from the IRS but they believed that the CDD issue was right.


There is NO place on this earth quite like this place that is run by an owner. It is in the black and doing fine, better than Washington is doing right now.


I never ever wanted to live in Florida and the main reason is that almost any area is spotty with beautiful homes next to a home with a car up on blocks. Not here. There is so much to look up to about The Villages and the family that built it.


I am only sorry that my dream of shaking Gary Morse's hand never came true. Maybe someday I will be able to meet Jennifer Parr or Mark Morse or the other daughter, I just went blank. I hope they are as nice as I think they are. But this place is a dream come true for older people. And I am enjoying the heck out of it.


There are people who like free enterprise being successful and I am one of them.

Amen. Amen. Amen. And you can repeat yourself on this topic as often as you wish. I enjoy being part of the cheering squad for this place and the family that built it.


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