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jimjamuser 10-18-2024 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by The_Oracle (Post 2380275)
That is 2 drivetrains to maintain and is too much extra weight thus inefficient. Teslas have the best crash test ratings.

Reciprocating piston engines are inherently inefficient. I would NOT worry about vehicle weight. There is a lot of weight in power windows, power mirrors, and even automatic transmissions, which people won't do without. Owning a hybrid is a good stepping stone toward a full Electric vehicle, so that is a GOOD thing. There needs to be more charging stations built so that full Electric vehicle owners do NOT experience range anxiety. Every year E-vehicles are making improvements to the batteries and charging etc. All state governments should encourage E-vehicles, not just California.

sprech 10-18-2024 03:59 PM

My 2 cents worth
 
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Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 2379825)
What happen to automatic braking crash avoidance system? Guess it don’t detect houses?

I drive a Tesla. When my car is in AutoPilot and I press the accelerator to go above the set speed, a message appears stating that the car will not brake. Perhaps that is the case because I might detect something dangerous that requires rapid acceleration. One really needs to understand what the software is designed to do.

The_Oracle 10-18-2024 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2380361)
Reciprocating piston engines are inherently inefficient. I would NOT worry about vehicle weight. There is a lot of weight in power windows, power mirrors, and even automatic transmissions, which people won't do without. Owning a hybrid is a good stepping stone toward a full Electric vehicle, so that is a GOOD thing. There needs to be more charging stations built so that full Electric vehicle owners do NOT experience range anxiety. Every year E-vehicles are making improvements to the batteries and charging etc. All state governments should encourage E-vehicles, not just California.

My charging station is a 110V outlet.
There are quite a few of those.

In addition, an electric clothes dryer outlet works quite well but 110V is enough for me right now.

As for range anxiety, never experienced it due to the Tesla supercharger network. That includes a couple of 2000 mile trips.

justjim 10-18-2024 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Retiring (Post 2380061)
Why 510hp? I believe Elon Musk would say, because it’s cool. I don’t have a Tesla, waiting for that quick charge, 1000 mile battery.

Me too waiting for an EV that I can take on a road trip and safely go 700 - 800 miles without stopping two or three times for several minutes to charge. For short 100 or 200 mile trips they are ok and fun but still not what I would call a road car. Meanwhile, I can see a hybrid as a possible alternative.

With their horsepower and acceleration, I think an EV could be a coffin for most teenagers to be driving. Just saying…

biker1 10-19-2024 07:13 AM

Batteries are heavy and expensive so I don’t believe you will typically see 1000 mile ranges. The average number of miles driven per day in the US is around 40. When many people can recharge over night there wouldn’t appear to be an economic reason for allocating that much costs for a battery. Typically on a rode trip, you can charge 200 miles in 20 minutes. Undoubtedly that time will continue to drop as new chargers put out more power and new batteries are able to accept higher charging rates. There is a sweet spot for the majority of customers and I doubt it is 1000 miles of range but there could be some offerings in the future at a higher cost just like there are customers for Bugattis.


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Originally Posted by Retiring (Post 2380061)
Why 510hp? I believe Elon Musk would say, because it’s cool. I don’t have a Tesla, waiting for that quick charge, 1000 mile battery.


ThirdOfFive 10-19-2024 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by justjim (Post 2380437)
Me too waiting for an EV that I can take on a road trip and safely go 700 - 800 miles without stopping two or three times for several minutes to charge. For short 100 or 200 mile trips they are ok and fun but still not what I would call a road car. Meanwhile, I can see a hybrid as a possible alternative.

With their horsepower and acceleration, I think an EV could be a coffin for most teenagers to be driving. Just saying…

Well, teenagers were probably racing their horses against each other 200 years ago, so...

As these and similar "debates" are wont to do, they devolve into "either-or" types of arguments. That is particularly illogical when the discussions involve EV vs. ICE. I remember looking at I-75 live footage during the run-up to Milton. It was a parking lot! I remember thinking that someone (probably quite a few someones) in an EV stuck out there in traffic barely moving at all, especially as a lot of that traffic included folks fleeing the wrath of the upcoming hurricane, was probably experiencing terminal range anxiety. But truth be told it was probably more anxiety than reality. Florida is warm. Their EV probably got most of them to their intended destination, maybe three or four hours late.

But I've seen the same kind of traffic in states where a blizzard can knot up traffic for many hours. And in a situation like that, if you're in an EV, that anxiety can all too often translate into reality. A blizzard in northern MN can whip winds at you of 40-50 mph, and that along with reduced or virtually no visibility can make keeping your car between the ditches a real sphincter-clenching experience. And most blizzards are followed by cold. Often, pretty severe cold. I remember a blizzard some years back that deposited 40" of snow in Duluth, MN, followed by temps in the minus 50 degrees F. actual (windchills approaching -100). All EVs, including Teslas, become less efficient in cold conditions, Teslas less than most other EVs (up to 30% loss), but as the cold temps lower, so does the overall efficiency.

Yes. EVs are fine for some people. In some situations. But I'd far rather be that guy in an EV in that line of cars on I-75 just before Milton, than I would in the same EV in any one of a dozen or so upper-tier states when snow, wind and cold are the adversaries.

The_Oracle 10-19-2024 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive (Post 2380511)
Well, teenagers were probably racing their horses against each other 200 years ago, so...

As these and similar "debates" are wont to do, they devolve into "either-or" types of arguments. That is particularly illogical when the discussions involve EV vs. ICE. I remember looking at I-75 live footage during the run-up to Milton. It was a parking lot! I remember thinking that someone (probably quite a few someones) in an EV stuck out there in traffic barely moving at all, especially as a lot of that traffic included folks fleeing the wrath of the upcoming hurricane, was probably experiencing terminal range anxiety. But truth be told it was probably more anxiety than reality. Florida is warm. Their EV probably got most of them to their intended destination, maybe three or four hours late.

But I've seen the same kind of traffic in states where a blizzard can knot up traffic for many hours. And in a situation like that, if you're in an EV, that anxiety can all too often translate into reality. A blizzard in northern MN can whip winds at you of 40-50 mph, and that along with reduced or virtually no visibility can make keeping your car between the ditches a real sphincter-clenching experience. And most blizzards are followed by cold. Often, pretty severe cold. I remember a blizzard some years back that deposited 40" of snow in Duluth, MN, followed by temps in the minus 50 degrees F. actual (windchills approaching -100). All EVs, including Teslas, become less efficient in cold conditions, Teslas less than most other EVs (up to 30% loss), but as the cold temps lower, so does the overall efficiency.

Yes. EVs are fine for some people. In some situations. But I'd far rather be that guy in an EV in that line of cars on I-75 just before Milton, than I would in the same EV in any one of a dozen or so upper-tier states when snow, wind and cold are the adversaries.

When an EV is not moving in traffic it uses very little energy thus range does not decrease by much. Your logic is better applied to an ICE vehicle not an EV. However I am sure the chargers were backed up along the route but slow traffic is not an issue.

Topspinmo 10-19-2024 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by The_Oracle (Post 2380593)
When an EV is not moving in traffic it uses very little energy thus range does not decrease by much. Your logic is better applied to an ICE vehicle not an EV. However I am sure the chargers were backed up along the route but slow traffic is not an issue.

So you set with A/C or heat off?

FredMitchell 10-19-2024 03:21 PM

High acceleration (from higher horsepower / torque) is very useful for reach traffic speed quickly from far less (maybe even 0). Merging onto interstates with the much shorter ramps than they had in the 60's. Right turns at red lights. Passing on undivided highways. More is better until you near the traction limits of the tires.

The_Oracle 10-19-2024 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 2380599)
So you set with A/C or heat off?

Compared with moving a vehicle ac is in the noise. Tesla uses a heat pump as well for heat and air. They did the cold weather snowed in test and the EV survived much longer. So the cold weather is a myth.

The_Oracle 10-19-2024 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by FredMitchell (Post 2380637)
High acceleration (from higher horsepower / torque) is very useful for reach traffic speed quickly from far less (maybe even 0). Merging onto interstates with the much shorter ramps than they had in the 60's. Right turns at red lights. Passing on undivided highways. More is better until you near the traction limits of the tires.

The model 3 is sublime in traffic

JMintzer 10-19-2024 07:43 PM

Another EV vs ICE car thread that will change no one's mind...

I'm beginning to miss the "dog poop" threads...

The_Oracle 10-19-2024 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2380663)
Another EV vs ICE car thread that will change no one's mind...

I'm beginning to miss the "dog poop" threads...

Well somebody better change the politicians' minds quick or it will not matter what anybody else's mind thinks.

fdpaq0580 10-20-2024 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2380663)
Another EV vs ICE car thread that will change no one's mind...

I'm beginning to miss the "dog poop" threads...

KEEP OFF MY LAWN!

Did that make you feel better? 😀

biker1 10-20-2024 08:52 AM

If you are concerned about whether you will be able to buy an ICE car in the future then I would not worry. ICE cars should be around for another 20 years or so.

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Originally Posted by The_Oracle (Post 2380691)
Well somebody better change the politicians' minds quick or it will not matter what anybody else's mind thinks.


Byte1 10-20-2024 09:14 AM

Some folks just can't drive, period. An unfortunate argument FOR a driverless vehicle.

Topspinmo 10-20-2024 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by The_Oracle (Post 2380643)
Compared with moving a vehicle ac is in the noise. Tesla uses a heat pump as well for heat and air. They did the cold weather snowed in test and the EV survived much longer. So the cold weather is a myth.


Myth if you can go over 100-150 miles in subzero weather, heater or air takes battery energy they NO way around it.

Topspinmo 10-20-2024 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by The_Oracle (Post 2380691)
Well somebody better change the politicians' minds quick or it will not matter what anybody else's mind thinks.

You do know model T still running. But Stanley steamer and electric’s of that time been melted down.

Dave951 10-21-2024 05:00 PM

Good thing the battery didn't catch fire

bopat 10-21-2024 08:45 PM

I just love my Tesla has as much horsepower as a Corvette, and doesn't look as crappy as a Corvette

coffeebean 10-24-2024 05:59 AM

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Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive (Post 2379894)
Not unheard-of. A guy from Minnesota spent four years in prison on (as I recall) 1st degree manslaughter conviction. He claimed the accelerator on his car stuck and he was unable to free it before striking and killing three people. The court didn't buy it and sent him to prison. It was only after numerous other reports were made and recall notices sent, of the same make of car experiencing the same kind of issue that this person had experienced, that an appeal was made and he was freed.

His car was ICE, not electric. But unexpected mechanical issues can happen with any machine no matter what the power source.

Don't be too quick to judge.

Seems to me the ICE vehicle's rapid acceleration was an anomaly. These electric vehicles' rapid acceleration is the norm. Big difference there. Even my little old electric Yamaha golf cart has rapid acceleration (for a golf cart that is).


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