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The_Oracle 10-18-2024 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2380173)
If I had the finances (and a wider car port or a real garage) I'd definitely consider a plug-in hybrid. I wouldn't get an all-electric vehicle, I don't trust them and wouldn't ever feel safe in one. But one that uses gas and regenerative braking to charge the battery? C'mon that is just such a cool idea.

That is 2 drivetrains to maintain and is too much extra weight thus inefficient. Teslas have the best crash test ratings.

The_Oracle 10-18-2024 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by OhioBuckeye (Post 2380274)
Sorry but that’s funny but sorry to say it’s not. Our Nephew in Law is a Dr. & he bought 2 EV’s & said he would never buy another EV he never said why but he drives a gasoline car now. But sorry about your mishap, it’s not funny she could be seriously hurt or killed god bless her & you!

Good luck with that since many world politicians, countries and states are all going EV. ICE large pickup trucks might be around a little longer. Was the previous EVs a Tesla?

Topspinmo 10-18-2024 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by BrianL99 (Post 2379858)
So this a serious question. I've been in a Tesla and the acceleration is amazing. I've heard reports that these things actually have over 500 hp. Why?

I get it, if you're building a car to compete with a Dodge Hellcat, but why does Mr & Mrs Havisham need so much power? Is there something about electric vehicles, that demands this sort of power production?

Electric motors produce more torque than than ICE engines. IMO there should be (and probably are) torque controls limited power. IMO normal driving mode should be limited to 200 HP. Even with that 200 HP electric motor has instant torque which in this situation probably wouldn’t made difference?

Bill14564 10-18-2024 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by The_Oracle (Post 2380266)
It Full Self Driving was enabled, it never would have happened which is kind of the point of FSD. However FSD is still an option that must be paid for and enabled.

Not likely that FSD would have been enabled while backing into a driveway.

I don't know about Teslas but in my car I can override the crash-avoidance feature by pressing the accelerator - the car may want to stop but I can tell it to keep going. I haven't crashed into a house to see what would happen in the final second but I suspect the accelerator would override crash-avoidance.

Bill14564 10-18-2024 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by The_Oracle (Post 2380275)
That is 2 drivetrains to maintain and is too much extra weight thus inefficient. Teslas have the best crash test ratings.

Hybrids are wildly popular and the most gas-efficient vehicles on the road.
- My Prius got better mileage than my motorcycle
- Full EVs aren't gas efficient, they don't use gas at all

Might depend on the particular vehicle but some have a single drivetrain powered by two sources (motor or engine). Definitely more parts but not totally separate drivetrains.

Cuervo 10-18-2024 09:54 AM

I own an Ioniq 6, when I bought the car, I was totally aware of the problems I would be facing with an EV.
Distance, the time it takes to recharge the battery and the availability of charging stations. I was totally aware how quickly the car accelerates, that's all they would talk about on YouTube when you looked up EVs.
One day I realized one of the benefits when I drove by a gas station that I frequented all the time and had not stopped in since I own the car.
I'm going to be driving up to N.Y. at the end of the month and since I'm retired, I have plenty of time and I'm going to make it a 3 day trip.
You see I look at a car as a tool, and I purchased the car that met my needs.
If you buy a car because you like the look, or it is in fashion you're making a terrible mistake.

The_Oracle 10-18-2024 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2380287)
Hybrids are wildly popular and the most gas-efficient vehicles on the road.
- My Prius got better mileage than my motorcycle
- Full EVs aren't gas efficient, they don't use gas at all

Might depend on the particular vehicle but some have a single drivetrain powered by two sources (motor or engine). Definitely more parts but not totally separate drivetrains.

A Tesla Model 3 is rated at 132mpg equivalent which no hybrid can touch. Only maintenance is tires and wiper blades. No oil changes, no brake jobs, no transmission service, no spark plugs,.......

The_Oracle 10-18-2024 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 2380283)
Electric motors produce more torque than than ICE engines. IMO there should be (and probably are) torque controls limited power. IMO normal driving mode should be limited to 200 HP. Even with that 200 HP electric motor has instant torque which in this situation probably wouldn’t made difference?

Yes we should ban Corvettes, Massive SUVs, Massive Trucks, high performance and large vehicles are overrated. All anyone needs is a Trabant

Bill14564 10-18-2024 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by The_Oracle (Post 2380324)
A Tesla Model 3 is rated at 132mpg equivalent which no hybrid can touch. Only maintenance is tires and wiper blades. No oil changes, no brake jobs, no transmission service, no spark plugs,.......

I didn't argue that a Tesla was not a nice car. I wrote that it does not burn gas and is therefore not gas-efficient.

I don't have a Tesla but I believe to that maintenance you have to add annual brake maintenance and more frequent and expensive tire replacement. Not unexpected with a heavy performance vehicle but definitely an added cost.

I would have been wary of the electronics and software package but as there has not been a lot of press of Tesla's "blue screening," the software must be in pretty good shape.

It would be really great if a Tesla fit my driving habits. Unfortunately, today it does not.

The_Oracle 10-18-2024 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2380330)
I didn't argue that a Tesla was not a nice car. I wrote that it does not burn gas and is therefore not gas-efficient.

I don't have a Tesla but I believe to that maintenance you have to add annual brake maintenance and more frequent and expensive tire replacement. Not unexpected with a heavy performance vehicle but definitely an added cost.

I would have been wary of the electronics and software package but as there has not been a lot of press of Tesla's "blue screening," the software must be in pretty good shape.

It would be really great if a Tesla fit my driving habits. Unfortunately, today it does not.

Blue screening is a Microsoft issue and does not apply to any other computer system.

The standard model 3 is not a performance car but the most efficient economy car on the planet. It has a lower 5 year cost of ownership than both Accord and Camry. Maintenance is essentially zero as well. Most people I know do not enjoy having to bring their vehicle into service but to the each their own.

jimjamuser 10-18-2024 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by The_Oracle (Post 2380275)
That is 2 drivetrains to maintain and is too much extra weight thus inefficient. Teslas have the best crash test ratings.

Reciprocating piston engines are inherently inefficient. I would NOT worry about vehicle weight. There is a lot of weight in power windows, power mirrors, and even automatic transmissions, which people won't do without. Owning a hybrid is a good stepping stone toward a full Electric vehicle, so that is a GOOD thing. There needs to be more charging stations built so that full Electric vehicle owners do NOT experience range anxiety. Every year E-vehicles are making improvements to the batteries and charging etc. All state governments should encourage E-vehicles, not just California.

sprech 10-18-2024 03:59 PM

My 2 cents worth
 
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Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 2379825)
What happen to automatic braking crash avoidance system? Guess it don’t detect houses?

I drive a Tesla. When my car is in AutoPilot and I press the accelerator to go above the set speed, a message appears stating that the car will not brake. Perhaps that is the case because I might detect something dangerous that requires rapid acceleration. One really needs to understand what the software is designed to do.

The_Oracle 10-18-2024 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2380361)
Reciprocating piston engines are inherently inefficient. I would NOT worry about vehicle weight. There is a lot of weight in power windows, power mirrors, and even automatic transmissions, which people won't do without. Owning a hybrid is a good stepping stone toward a full Electric vehicle, so that is a GOOD thing. There needs to be more charging stations built so that full Electric vehicle owners do NOT experience range anxiety. Every year E-vehicles are making improvements to the batteries and charging etc. All state governments should encourage E-vehicles, not just California.

My charging station is a 110V outlet.
There are quite a few of those.

In addition, an electric clothes dryer outlet works quite well but 110V is enough for me right now.

As for range anxiety, never experienced it due to the Tesla supercharger network. That includes a couple of 2000 mile trips.

justjim 10-18-2024 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Retiring (Post 2380061)
Why 510hp? I believe Elon Musk would say, because it’s cool. I don’t have a Tesla, waiting for that quick charge, 1000 mile battery.

Me too waiting for an EV that I can take on a road trip and safely go 700 - 800 miles without stopping two or three times for several minutes to charge. For short 100 or 200 mile trips they are ok and fun but still not what I would call a road car. Meanwhile, I can see a hybrid as a possible alternative.

With their horsepower and acceleration, I think an EV could be a coffin for most teenagers to be driving. Just saying…

biker1 10-19-2024 07:13 AM

Batteries are heavy and expensive so I don’t believe you will typically see 1000 mile ranges. The average number of miles driven per day in the US is around 40. When many people can recharge over night there wouldn’t appear to be an economic reason for allocating that much costs for a battery. Typically on a rode trip, you can charge 200 miles in 20 minutes. Undoubtedly that time will continue to drop as new chargers put out more power and new batteries are able to accept higher charging rates. There is a sweet spot for the majority of customers and I doubt it is 1000 miles of range but there could be some offerings in the future at a higher cost just like there are customers for Bugattis.


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Originally Posted by Retiring (Post 2380061)
Why 510hp? I believe Elon Musk would say, because it’s cool. I don’t have a Tesla, waiting for that quick charge, 1000 mile battery.



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