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Papa_lecki 05-01-2024 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Altavia (Post 2327123)
I'm not "hoping", just identifying possibilities, especially when the state is throwing billions at roads near a developer who is very well connected economically and politically.

There absolutely will be golf carts crossing the turnpike at 470.
It has nothing to do what the developer being connected politically, it’s good for the state.
The Villages produces an enormous economic benefit to central florida.

Normal 05-01-2024 11:12 AM

Do Tell
 
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Originally Posted by Papa_lecki (Post 2327216)
There absolutely will be golf carts crossing the turnpike at 470.
It has nothing to do what the developer being connected politically, it’s good for the state.
The Villages produces an enormous economic benefit to central florida.

From the engineering standpoint, exactly how will this be constructed? Will the bridge go over the entrance ramp and exit ramp? Those ramps have to accommodate tractor trailers and oversized loads of course. It would be something never built before and will be quite expensive. It wouldn’t be a Bexley cattle bridge idea for sure. You are looking at up to 4 times the cost and a feasibility study. If, big if, it would be at least 5-10 years out. Please cite your reasoning for us all. FDOT doesn’t even have a study yet.
FDOT Project Information

Altavia 05-01-2024 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Normal (Post 2327218)
From the engineering standpoint, exactly how will this be constructed? Will the bridge go over the entrance ramp and exit ramp? Those ramps have to accommodate tractor trailers and oversized loads of course. It would be something never built before and will be quite expensive. It wouldn’t be a Bexley cattle bridge idea for sure. You are looking at up to 4 times the cost and a feasibility study. If, big if, it would be at least 5-10 years out. Please cite your reasoning for us all. FDOT doesn’t even have a study yet.
FDOT Project Information


https://www.talkofthevillages.com/fo...27-i75-349261/

Normal 05-01-2024 11:45 AM

Yes, I was referring to the bridge
 
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Originally Posted by Altavia (Post 2327223)

Sure, we all know the turnpike is getting widened, I was referring to the crossing structure over the state owned turnpike. The study for the county road 470 bridge and it’s widening along with the supposed multimodal path isn’t in the state records. I found the study for the Bexley bridge, but not for the 470 idea. Surely the unprecedented massive structure will have one.

MrChip72 05-01-2024 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Papa_lecki (Post 2327216)
There absolutely will be golf carts crossing the turnpike at 470.
It has nothing to do what the developer being connected politically, it’s good for the state.
The Villages produces an enormous economic benefit to central florida.

It's illegal to drive golf carts on a county road.

MrChip72 05-01-2024 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Normal (Post 2327218)
From the engineering standpoint, exactly how will this be constructed? Will the bridge go over the entrance ramp and exit ramp? Those ramps have to accommodate tractor trailers and oversized loads of course. It would be something never built before and will be quite expensive. It wouldn’t be a Bexley cattle bridge idea for sure. You are looking at up to 4 times the cost and a feasibility study. If, big if, it would be at least 5-10 years out. Please cite your reasoning for us all. FDOT doesn’t even have a study yet.
FDOT Project Information

I agree that it's not feasible to add a bridge incorporating MMPs at that location. Besides, who would pay for the MMP from the Dabney side when those residents have already been issued their bond amount to cover all planned infrastructure. I don't see the developer issuing a special assessment bond to Dabney residents on top of their current bond. Those homes would drop even lower in value if that were to occur.

All new development will be going north-south, so just a handful of tunnels under 470 should handle connectivity for the new homes to the rest of TV. I doubt anyone in villages like Waters Edge will be complaining that there's no turnpike bridge to Dabney.

JMintzer 05-01-2024 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2327000)
Last I knew, there was a difference between "several" and "seven":1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Yup. And considering one is about to open this summer and a 2nd one is currently under construction, one has to wonder about any current head injuries to the other poster...

Shipping up to Boston 05-01-2024 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by frayedends (Post 2327060)
Good point. They are also expanding 470 in that area to 4 lanes. That should be fairly soon. They could theoretically put in a cart tunnel at that point. That would tell us a lot for the future.

There’s a post saying weare a social desert? Really? We have so much to do in Lake Denham but can’t keep up when I’m there (part time for now). The block parties are awesome. The people are awesome and all looking for social interaction. We are at boozy bingo every Monday. We have social clubs with regular events at Franklin. We may be a little out of the way but not very far from tons of restaurants and shopping. I can only guess what hat the folks that think we are isolated grew up right in big cities. It’s a different mindset. Totally an individual preference.

But I will warn you, the turnpike noise is loud at times. I assume I’ll get used to it. I lived next to Logan airport in East Boston for years and never noticed the plane noise.

You noticed Santarpios though I'm sure! (Insider joke)

Altavia 05-01-2024 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Normal (Post 2327225)
Sure, we all know the turnpike is getting widened, I was referring to the crossing structure over the state owned turnpike. The study for the county road 470 bridge and it’s widening along with the supposed multimodal path isn’t in the state records. I found the study for the Bexley bridge, but not for the 470 idea. Surely the unprecedented massive structure will have one.

Because design work is just starting...

The 470 bridge is not wide enough to add 4 new lanes so required replacement.

Interchange design budget for 470 was approved early this year, design phase will start this year.


WIDEN TURNPIKE MAINLINE/SR 91
FROM US 27 TO CR 470

Work includes pavement widening, milling and resurfacing, maintenance of traffic plan, new stormwater treatment facilities, new bridge structures, new ramp, tolling sites, signing, pavement marking improvements, signals, lighting, communications, and right-of-way acquisition.

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/fo...360-post2.html

BubblesandPat 05-01-2024 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by margaretmattson (Post 2326981)
If you notice something is not to your liking from the get go, it probably is not going to get better. Follow your gut and look for homes that meet your needs. New homes are nice but they STILL require expensive upgrades. (landscaping, paint, lanai etc) Why not look at older homes? Some are only six or seven yrs old and are located near plenty of commercial and golf courses. Try looking in the Brownwood area. You may find a home with completed landscaping, large lanai, and low bond. If the home needs a little TLC remember you would have paid for upgrades in a new home. Consider it a wash and be happy the home you chose meets ALL of your needs.

I agree. We bought a 2 year old home in Citrus Grove. You don't have to buy brand new to get a newer home!

DrMack 05-02-2024 02:54 AM

Tunnel
 
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Originally Posted by MrChip72 (Post 2327243)
I agree that it's not feasible to add a bridge incorporating MMPs at that location. Besides, who would pay for the MMP from the Dabney side when those residents have already been issued their bond amount to cover all planned infrastructure. I don't see the developer issuing a special assessment bond to Dabney residents on top of their current bond. Those homes would drop even lower in value if that were to occur.

All new development will be going north-south, so just a handful of tunnels under 470 should handle connectivity for the new homes to the rest of TV. I doubt anyone in villages like Waters Edge will be complaining that there's no turnpike bridge to Dabney.

I agree there won’t be a bridge for golf carts because of the 2 entrances and exits, but what about a tunnel? Unfortunately we are in Dabney, it was a poor choice. But, a connection could improve things a lot.

frayedends 05-02-2024 03:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Shipping up to Boston (Post 2327315)
You noticed Santarpios though I'm sure! (Insider joke)

If only I could get that pizza in Florida. It’s the best.

Rwirish 05-02-2024 05:20 AM

The entire area is suffering from the lack of amenities.

Eastport will have more but it is not a “town square.” Both Championship and Executive golf will remain inadequate for the number of residents in the area.

Snakster66 05-02-2024 05:37 AM

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Originally Posted by DrMack (Post 2327339)
I agree there won’t be a bridge for golf carts because of the 2 entrances and exits, but what about a tunnel? Unfortunately we are in Dabney, it was a poor choice. But, a connection could improve things a lot.

Could you elaborate why Dabney was a poor choice? Is it just proximity to things by golf cart? Or are there other factors that make it a poor choice?

MikeN 05-02-2024 05:47 AM

When we bought last year we went to a sales office and were swarmed by sales people. They showed us what the villages wanted them to show us. Do yourself a favor and get a realtor, tell them what you want and let them direct you. This is why do many people end up buying at another location after being here a year or two


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