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NotGolfer 04-08-2013 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Bucco (Post 656000)
GREAT POST !!!

You are correct and not doing anything but telling the truth. I have been here for about 14 years and tired of hearing all the "snarky" comments about the developer.

He does not "shake down" business here in The Villages. About 15 years ago, he was spending his own money to entice and was actually begging busness to come to The Villages.

He does not have "secrets" to spring on you and believe it or not, has no knowledge of where a sinkhole might spring up (does anyone).

He is not under investigation, as folks on here keep alluding to. You are correct that the CDD use is what is being looked which by the way was first used by Walt Disney just down the road.


Reading the misinformation on here and the constant complaining is very unsettling.

When you move ANYWHERE, not just here, do you not do your own due diligence ?

And someone recently said that things are not done for the benefit of the residents. Gee.......we sure see things differently. Sometimes folks get spoiled and should just find that perfect place...oh wait..thats the point....some will complain about anything with NO facts in order to be happy I suppose.

Again....GREAT POST
I don't know how to include multiple posts so....Gracie and Bonnie what you both said is great as well. Snarky posts upset me as well, AS do the harsh attitudes I've encountered while "out and about" in T.V. Just saying... Why do folks move to then stay in a place that they don't seem to like?

Bucco 04-08-2013 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by ilovetv (Post 656042)
News Flash.....

This just in.......

Rumor has it the developer is an "R"......

Stay tuned......
You are for sure onto much of this !!! Folks who label and then, not matter the truth, hate the label !!!

Chinook 04-08-2013 01:05 PM
Thanks for the information
 
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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 655865)
You are telling me not to be snarky?

Oh and Chinook is not a new poster, I checked. I read every one of her posts. She has been posting since 2010 and she is a nice person and doing what she should be doing..asking questions and gaining information. The post I posted was for the benefit for anyone new or anyone who thinks that they can slither in here and start trouble. Sorry Chinook, if I hurt your feelers. I really am. You were asking honestly and kindly.

The article you linked. Mickey109 is fair and accurate and points out the politics of the developer and also points out which party his business contributes to.
I appreciate the information, my father in law lives in the villages but he is not always the best source of info! He can also be negative and slanted towards the developer and that is not my intent. I live a long way away and want to be aware of what is going on as I have read about this issue and don't fully understand it myself.

Chinook 04-08-2013 01:14 PM
I've read that chapter!
 
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Originally Posted by manaboutown (Post 655999)
Chapter 8 of the book Leisureville, Government, Inc., is fairly informative about how The Villages is operated. It took me a few reads of the chapter to understand the CDD structure and from that what the IRS's position could be, but I think I finally absorbed it.
Thanks manaboutown, I too have read that chapter and I still don't understand it. I have not lived anywhere with a CDD structure. It as well as the bonds are new to me. The villages is totally great and I love the place.

Cedwards38 04-08-2013 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by ilovetv (Post 656042)
News Flash.....

This just in.......

Rumor has it the developer is an "R"......

Stay tuned......
Realist, Recluse, Raconteur, Runner, Rocker? I'm not exactly sure what you mean. :wave:

graciegirl 04-08-2013 01:32 PM
Admin is gonna come on here and smack us all silly.

Mack184 04-08-2013 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by manaboutown (Post 655999)
Chapter 8 of the book Leisureville, Government, Inc., is fairly informative about how The Villages is operated. It took me a few reads of the chapter to understand the CDD structure and from that what the IRS's position could be, but I think I finally absorbed it.
I might have mentioned this before..but telling TV "true believers" to look something up and accept the information offered in "Leisureville" as truth is akin to telling Christians that the Koran is an acceptable alternative to The Bible.

Mack184 04-08-2013 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Cedwards38 (Post 656087)
Realist, Recluse, Raconteur, Runner, Rocker? I'm not exactly sure what you mean. :wave:
Raccoon? Roustabout? Rambler? Rumrunner? Road Roller?

manaboutown 04-08-2013 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Mack184 (Post 656114)
I might have mentioned this before..but telling TV "true believers" to look something up and accept the information offered in "Leisureville" as truth is akin to telling Christians that the Koran is an acceptable alternative to The Bible.
Or perhaps the other way around. We all realize Blechman had an agenda which is certainly not mine since I side strongly with the politics of the developer and plan on moving to a 55 and over active adult community. Nonetheless, Andrew did his homework and dug up and presented in his rather entertaining book some very important information, information I would certainly want as a potential future villager. I am the sort of person who whenever possible makes informed decisions. Others may not agree with them but I am the one who must live with them. Just for starters this particular chapter I found to concisely sum up the CDD structure possibly unique to TV, that the central districts which contain no residents are controlled by the developer AND they control the CDDs which contain residents. That is very important to know and understand, at least to me.

Mack184 04-08-2013 04:10 PM
I don't disagree with what you say and I think Gary Morse is a genius. I'm not saying you shouldn't refer to it. However, I have noticed that "Leisureville" in the hearts and minds of a certain group in TV and among those who comment here on TOTV find Leisureville to be practically satanic. You don't make a lot of friends here by quoting it or agreeing with anything that Blechman postulates and you WILL hear about it if you do.

If you push away from Blechman's obvious bias, he DOES bring up some very interesting points. However, it is NOT a popular book to refer to here.

graciegirl 04-08-2013 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Mack184 (Post 656153)
I don't disagree with what you say and I think Gary Morse is a genius. I'm not saying you shouldn't refer to it. However, I have noticed that "Leisureville" in the hearts and minds of a certain group in TV and among those who comment here on TOTV find Leisureville to be practically satanic. You don't make a lot of friends here by quoting it or agreeing with anything that Blechman postulates and you WILL hear about it if you do.

If you push away from Blechman's obvious bias, he DOES bring up some very interesting points. However, it is NOT a popular book to refer to here.
I think most people who read the book agree that the book was slanted to SELL it. There is a LOT of factual information and a lot of interesting "tales" about Mr. Midnight and the wild sex here. Not saying it isn't happening but it was a little too..um...canned.

I THINK what some people object to is the premise that an older person should stay "put" and enrich their surroundings rather than grabbing some "selfish" happiness for themselves.

No one I knows HATED it...they felt it was an attempt to earn a little money for Mr. Blechman...which it did.

Advogado 04-08-2013 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted by JackieandCharlie (Post 656006)
We attended a CDD meeting recently (we are new home owners in The Villages, but not new to Florida). It was very informative and very helpful in understanding how our government structure works here. So far it seems like a very effective form of governing. Apparently CDD's have been used here in Florida since the 1800's.

As far as the IRS incident, the recent IRS findings were very good for us. Their auditors found our community assets are worth way more than the CDD's paid for them and have been a good deal for all involved (CDD, developer, and residents).

Just putting in my two cents.
Your last paragraph relies on a misleading headline and article that appeared in the Developer's Daily Sun. See the latest POA Bulletin on the subject (refer to page 2 for the facts): http://www.poa4us.org/bulletins_file...etin201304.pdf. Hopefully, the Daily Sun's version of events will eventually be true, but it is not yet.

graciegirl 04-08-2013 08:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Advogado (Post 656269)
Your last paragraph relies on a misleading headline and article that appeared in the Developer's Daily Sun. See the latest POA Bulletin on the subject (refer to page 2 for the facts): http://www.poa4us.org/bulletins_file...etin201304.pdf. Hopefully, the Daily Sun's version of events will eventually be true, but it is not yet.
Are you the lawyer that won the lawsuit against the developer?

I have read all of your posts. Most are on THIS subject.

gemorc 04-08-2013 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 656275)
Are you the lawyer that won the lawsuit against the developer?
The POA Bulleton listed the 3 points of contention between the IRS and the TV CCDs. The IRS states the value of the property transfered from the Developer to the CCD meets thi requirements of the IRS, thus answering the question of Point 2. Both Points 1&3, still need to be settled. Please read the POA Bulletin to become informed about the lingering problems between the IRS and the TV CCDs.

Advogado 04-08-2013 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 656275)
Are you the lawyer that won the lawsuit against the developer?

I have read all of your posts. Most are on THIS subject.
No to your first question. I had no connection whatsoever with that lawsuit. Also, I hope that the Center Districts (and therefore the Developer) prevail in the IRS investigation, or if they don't prevail, I hope that the matter is resolved in a way that does not negatively impact the Villagers. By the way, to turn your question to me around: Was your maiden name Morse or was it Schwartz? (Just kidding.)

Furthermore, let me say, once again, that I think that The Villages is a great place to live and that the Developer has done an amazing job in planning, building, and maintaining The Villages. Of course, how the Developer has financed all this is what the IRS is questioning.

You are correct as to the vast majority of my posts being on the subject of the IRS investigation. This is because: I only like to post on subjects that I know something about, rather than posting on every subject that comes up in the forum. The IRS investigation is a subject that I do I think I understand pretty well. It is also one that is important to all Villagers, and one that I believe has been poorly reported (to put it mildly) by the Daily Sun and the VHA Bulletin.


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