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angiefox10 02-23-2014 04:25 PM
You can google it
 
Google it or check out page 15 District Annual Report for 2011

http://www.districtgov.org/departmen...Report2011.pdf

HMLRHT1 02-23-2014 04:44 PM
They are true and they are news worthy. They have been on the news and in the papers. But it's only one day worth of news and something else comes along. If people get involved, if people "witness" the event and act immediately then there is a very good chance of survival. CPR and AED Training and Villagers involvement along with professional response from The Villages Public Safety Dept and the Sumter/Lake/Marion EMS providers are what is making the difference. CPR and AED save lives!

ilovetv 02-23-2014 04:45 PM
This report (page 15 in link provided by Angie) is where Villagers being a hardworking, motivated and educated populace shows, loud and clear.

It's the people who make such a big difference. It takes time, energy, smarts, and dedication to train and be on call as a neighborhood volunteer responder in the voluntarily funded AED programs done as a labor of love.

We're not all just sittin' around playin' bingo and twiddlin' our thumbs!

http://www.districtgov.org/departmen...Report2011.pdf

Parker 02-23-2014 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by angiefox10 (Post 834215)
Google it or check out page 15 District Annual Report for 2011

http://www.districtgov.org/departmen...Report2011.pdf

Well thumbs up for our Villages! Great post angiefox10.

Villages PL 02-24-2014 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Parker (Post 833689)
Food, schmood. If I'm around when ANY of you have a heart attack, I'll do my best to help you. A well-placed AED might help in that situation. Bravo to the supporters of this wonderful community effort.
That gets to the root of the problem, people are eating too much food-schmood and they hope to be lucky enough to be brought back from the jaws of death. You might say they want to have their cake and eat it too.

Villages PL 02-24-2014 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by ilovetv (Post 833713)
VPL, regarding this:

.........

We want and fund and train neighbors and pay for the contracted dispatching fees for our AED program because of pure and simple logic:

A. S____ happens.

B. The paramedics can easily be out on another call when a neighbor calls 911 for their help. It makes sense to
have a Plan B.

C. In a tragedy, people always look back and wish they could have done more to help/correct the problem. We whose neighborhoods organize, train and fund ourselves to work an AED program will be able to look back and say "we did all that we could" to avert a tragedy.

D. Even when one eats a "perfect", "healthy" diet....... S____ still happens.

I see your point but I can't help but feel conflicted over it when so many people thumb their nose at any suggestion to practice a healthier lifestyle. How many even brag about their unhealthy habits?

Villages PL 02-24-2014 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by gomoho (Post 833734)
It's just another line of defense - don't believe it is lulling anyone into a false sense of security. People's sense of security is firmly in place before they move to The Villages and notice their neighborhood has an AED.
And if there's no AED, do they feel they are doomed to die?

CFrance 02-24-2014 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Villages PL (Post 834713)
I see your point but I can't help but feel conflicted over it when so many people thumb their nose at any suggestion to practice a healthier lifestyle. How many even brag about their unhealthy habits?
But how would you know that the person needing the defib is one of those nose-thumbers or, say, someone with a healthy lifestyle but a hidden congenital heart condition? Would you condemn them all to possible death because they might be of the nose-thumbing variety?

In my opinion we have an obligation to save any life in danger, no matter what. Who are we to decide someone should die because we don't like their lifestyle?

We paid our $150 share in our neighborhood for the good of our two streets.

Parker 02-24-2014 05:27 PM
So should we turn our backs on any of those less-than-perfect people who have not done all they can for good health? In my experience, all of us have weaknesses of one sort or another. I know someone who eats terrible, knows he eats terrible, but he is such a kind guy, does everything for others in so many ways. Everyone loves him. Shall we stand smugly by and let him die in cardiac arrest because he was weak in this area?

Villages PL 02-24-2014 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by HMLRHT1 (Post 834200)
Foodcritic, actually I was off on my statement. According to The Villages Public Safety/Fire Dept here is their statement. The survival rate for sudden cardiac arrest in The Villages Fl last year was 44% – about 7 times the national average of only 6%. Contributing to this high survival rate are the many Villagers taking CPR training – over 2000 last year and over 7000 in the last five years; and neighborhood CPR/AED Programs – currently 44 with 8 more in training. I'd say they are pretty damn good percentages.
Maybe I'm not understanding this but I think percentages can be misleading. How much of that success is due to neighboorhood AEDs? How would anyone be able to know that? I vaguely remember calling someone to inquire about this a long time ago. And I was told that much of the survival rate is due to factors other than neighborhood AEDs. I think it had something to do with medications being administered in the ambulance rather than waiting to get to the ER doctor.

Barefoot 02-24-2014 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Parker (Post 834727)
So should we turn our backs on any of those less-than-perfect people who have not done all they can for good health? In my experience, all of us have weaknesses of one sort or another. I know someone who eats terrible, knows he eats terrible, but he is such a kind guy, does everything for others in so many ways. Everyone loves him. Shall we stand smugly by and let him die in cardiac arrest because he was weak in this area?
I agree Parker. None of us are perfect, we all have weaknesses, and we're all worth saving.

I like the American Indian saying: "Never criticize a man until you've walked two moons in his moccasins".

Parker 02-24-2014 06:05 PM
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I like the American Indian saying: "Never criticize a man until you've walked two moons in his moccasins".[/QUOTE]


Barefoot, how I love that saying. Thanks for bringing it back to my attention.

Villages PL 02-24-2014 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by CFrance (Post 834718)
But how would you know that the person needing the defib is one of those nose-thumbers or, say, someone with a healthy lifestyle but a hidden congenital heart condition? Would you condemn them all to possible death because they might be of the nose-thumbing variety?

In my opinion we have an obligation to save any life in danger, no matter what. Who are we to decide someone should die because we don't like their lifestyle?

We paid our $150 share in our neighborhood for the good of our two streets.
I think I see where the confusion is. I'm not recommending that responders pick and choose who to save. Once your neighborhood has an AED, you must try to save everyone. I'm just saying, for example, my neighborhood doesn't have one and I'm satisfied with the way things are. I wouldn't be one of those trying to get an AED program started. So if there's no AED in my neighborhood, everyone is on an equal footing.

gomoho 02-24-2014 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Villages PL (Post 834746)
I think I see where the confusion is. I'm not recommending that responders pick and choose who to save. Once your neighborhood has an AED, you must try to save everyone. I'm just saying, for example, my neighborhood doesn't have one and I'm satisfied with the way things are. I wouldn't be one of those trying to get an AED program started. So if there's no AED in my neighborhood, everyone is on an equal footing.
How on earth can a discussion of a possible life saving device be construed into everyone being on equal footing. This is the most ridiculous argument I have engaged in on TOTV. If there is something that could benefit even one person and save their life why are we even discussing this??? What difference does it make how they have chosen to live their life up till this point - we are compassionate human beings that hopefully look out for our fellow man. If you wish not to contribute to this effort, fine, but for heavens sake why would you feel so compelled to challenge it???

BarryRX 02-24-2014 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Villages PL (Post 834746)
I think I see where the confusion is. I'm not recommending that responders pick and choose who to save. Once your neighborhood has an AED, you must try to save everyone. I'm just saying, for example, my neighborhood doesn't have one and I'm satisfied with the way things are. I wouldn't be one of those trying to get an AED program started. So if there's no AED in my neighborhood, everyone is on an equal footing.
VillagesPL, you have always made a very good argument for eating healthier. You have seen the replies here that differentiate between a heart attack and sudden cardiac arrest but are not absorbing the point. I believe you've become trapped on the wrong side of this argument and I don't want your present stance to hurt the "healthier eating" message you are trying to deliver.


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