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richardc1947 04-21-2022 06:31 AM

What the MSN article fails to point out is that the taxes that Disney pays to itself would flow to the local governments. This would largely offset the liabilities and costs associated with Reedy Creek. This seems to be yet another example of journalism that skews the facts in the name of liberalism!

Bayco 04-21-2022 06:32 AM

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Originally Posted by MartinSE (Post 2086140)
And you have every right to do that. They did something, you disagree with it, as an American you have every right to not patronize them.

Sadly, THEY apparently do not have a right to say what they believe. There is NO doubt why this action is being taken, it is a government action to retaliate against a speech that the government disagrees with - isn't that covered someplace in the constitution? Isn't free speech something we hear all the time on this forum. Or is freedom of speech only free when one agrees with the person being censored?

I hope some will look beyond the reason this action is being taken and see it is a direct attack on democracy in our country and a direct violation of the constitution.

👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

Bella6368 04-21-2022 06:34 AM

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Originally Posted by villagetinker (Post 2086196)
VT here, I found the article interesting, I missed there were only 2 counties involved, but the potential financial impact was what I was trying to point out, made national news this evening. It will be interesting to see what happens next.

I really was not going to post this, probably my last close to political post. I will just go back to helping people.

I see political posts on this site everyday, but yet this line remains at the top of the web-site: NO POLITICAL REFERENCES ARE ALLOWED ON THE WEBSITE.

villager7591 04-21-2022 06:35 AM

I don't see much discussion about the children. Does anyone think it's a good idea to start 'teaching' your 5-6 year olds about gender identity? How would you like your 7 year old coming home and telling you he/she wants to change sex ?

TheWarriors 04-21-2022 06:36 AM

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Originally Posted by villagetinker (Post 2086108)
I am sure this will have an effect on my future voting:

MSN

Hope the link works, if not do a Google search, the Florida taxpayers could be on the hook for $2 BILLION if this goes through.

I hope this does not go completely political.....

Actually, it will be paid for via a special tax assessment district for the area now called Reedy Creek which is currently Disney. No funds will come from taxpayers and Disney is likely to pay more taxes since they will now be a part of Orange County and subject to their rules and regulations.

B-flat 04-21-2022 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by eg_cruz (Post 2086234)
disney is going more then exercising their freedom of speech. Some companies think they are to big to bring them in check.

ditto!

Petersweeney 04-21-2022 06:40 AM

I’m going to Disney Springs to buy some Nike e gear and wash all the crap they feed us down with a Coke…..

midiwiz 04-21-2022 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by villagetinker (Post 2086108)
I am sure this will have an effect on my future voting:

MSN

Hope the link works, if not do a Google search, the Florida taxpayers could be on the hook for $2 BILLION if this goes through.

I hope this does not go completely political.....


The failure of that position is that it doesn't consider the ludicrous amount of taxes that will pour into the area rather than being held 'captive' . Unfortunately MSN tends to only look at one side of the story and never look at the entire picture. Much like half this country.

Plus the number of $2B has been changing which shows it's over baked.

MartinSE 04-21-2022 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by B-flat (Post 2086294)
ditto!

Some people think they are too big to be rained in. Freedom of speech remains for them, and A governor passing a law in retribution for something someone says, is about as anti-American as you can get.

Blackbird45 04-21-2022 06:53 AM

Your being used
 
This is all a political game to raise his profile.
All you have to do is look at the don't say gay bill.
The bill could have said that there would no reference to sex at all between pre-school and third grade, with whatever penalty they saw fit, but it would have been a mere blip in the news.
It was specifically worded the way it was to stir up controversy, the same with the math books and now Disney.
Both sides use this tactic everyone is being used by these politicians to climb the latter.
Though over Governor is bring this to a new level.

lpkruege1 04-21-2022 07:00 AM

This seems to be a political post.

christine J Toft 04-21-2022 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by MartinSE (Post 2086140)
And you have every right to do that. They did something, you disagree with it, as an American you have every right to not patronize them.

Sadly, THEY apparently do not have a right to say what they believe. There is NO doubt why this action is being taken, it is a government action to retaliate against a speech that the government disagrees with - isn't that covered someplace in the constitution? Isn't free speech something we hear all the time on this forum. Or is freedom of speech only free when one agrees with the person being censored?

I hope some will look beyond the reason this action is being taken and see it is a direct attack on democracy in our country and a direct violation of the constitution.

Let's hope the courts agree with you.

Jeffery M 04-21-2022 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by villagetinker (Post 2086108)
I am sure this will have an effect on my future voting:

MSN

Hope the link works, if not do a Google search, the Florida taxpayers could be on the hook for $2 BILLION if this goes through.

I hope this does not go completely political.....

There is no state income tax in Florida.

rogerrice60 04-21-2022 07:08 AM

Tax Disney to make up any short fall.
Glad to see Disney being held accountable for their ungodly position!

Villages Kahuna 04-21-2022 07:09 AM

Will The Villages Development Districts Survive?
 
The government of The Villages is based closely on that of the way the Disney developments are financed and governed. The exception I believe is that Disney issues the bond financing to fund their developments, but retains the obligation to repay those bonds. The result is that Disney retains the authority to “govern” the areas using that form of financing.

In the case of The Villages, the obligation to service and repay the bonds used to fund infrastructure development is transferred to home buyers when they close on the purchase of their homes. Governance of The Villages is then transferred to homeowners over a ten-year period, after which the homeowners have the authority and responsibility to elect representatives to self-govern, including funding all governmental services with real estate taxes.

The question I have is whether the legislation passed yesterday will prevent the issuance of the bonds by The Villages in the first place? That is, will the Developer be required to fund the infrastructure and recreational facilities and then try to repay themselves thru much higher sales prices of new homes?

I haven’t read any analysis of the new Florida law, but it seems to me that it will change the fundamental formula which has permitted over thirty years of successful development of The Villages and rapidly speed the responsibility for providing and all the services normally provided by governmental agencies. The question that follows of course is whether real estate taxes will have to immediately put in place to provide and fund the governance of The Villages which had been provided by the Developer over the initial ten-year period following completion of various phases of the development?

I sure don’t have those answers, max out site seems to follow that the cost of infrastructure development will have to be’ baked in’ to the selling prices of new homes with the residents immediately assuming the responsibility of forming, organizing and paying for all the units of government required.

Somehow, I think, the new law also has to effect residents of The Villages by removing the decision-making currently being provided by The Villages Developer.

An old saying seems to apply… If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.

Dantes 04-21-2022 07:10 AM

Just like Twitter and it’s free speech

christine J Toft 04-21-2022 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive (Post 2086248)
Good point.

Mickey & Co. aren't going away, Once the smoke clears and the howling lessens, it is back to business as usual.

It's election year. This doesn't go into effect until summer 2023. You know, after the midterms and the Gov's re-election bid. My odds say that it will be repealed after he's elected again. Just another political move.

Bay Kid 04-21-2022 07:12 AM

This is America. Everyone should have to abide by the same rules. Plus these people are now trying to ruin the kids.

rogerrice60 04-21-2022 07:16 AM

Dumb response

christine J Toft 04-21-2022 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Vikingjunior (Post 2086250)
Maybe Disney shouldn't have tried extorting the government by threatening to withhold donations from a certain party because they didn't like a certain bill that was passed by elected officials.

Disney let a handful of people pressure them to go woke and their tanking stock reflects Americas response.

Anyone who wants to cry about moral ground let's not forget when Obama's IRS went after conservative business owners.

Politics have become down right dirty but if you stand by idle you will be walked all over in today's environment.

It's nice to have somebody willing to fight back against people who try to extort and bully their way into what they want.

I guess anyone who doesn't give $ to a politician, is "Extorting the Government"! Seriously! Get you hate out here folks!

christine J Toft 04-21-2022 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by georgefloto (Post 2086278)
Why are you all bashing our governor

You're kidding, right?

bp243 04-21-2022 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by villagetinker (Post 2086108)
I am sure this will have an effect on my future voting:

MSN

Hope the link works, if not do a Google search, the Florida taxpayers could be on the hook for $2 BILLION if this goes through.

I hope this does not go completely political.....

Sorry, but this is already political. In what way will this change financially benefit the residents of Florida? This is a direct hit at Disney’s position on embracing all people. You are allowed your own position on this belief and so is Disney, as well as their desire to be a profitable business.

Joe C. 04-21-2022 07:20 AM

The OP doesn't want his post to go "political". So we need to remind ourselves that there is a huge difference between "politics" and "government". The OP is about a situation between our state government and a commercial entity. There is nothing about Dems or Reps or Independent parties.

Lindaws 04-21-2022 07:22 AM

Disinformation from most

airstreamingypsy 04-21-2022 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by villager7591 (Post 2086291)
I don't see much discussion about the children. Does anyone think it's a good idea to start 'teaching' your 5-6 year olds about gender identity? How would you like your 7 year old coming home and telling you he/she wants to change sex ?

So, when little Jimmy says my moms took me camping, and other kids ask him about his "moms" the teacher can't explain that love is love and some kids have two moms and some kids have two dads. The teacher has to shut it down, making Jimmy's family sounds terrible and sets Jimmy up for serious bullying. That's what the bill does, it's yet another dog whistle. Fixing a problem that's not a problem.

airstreamingypsy 04-21-2022 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by villager7591 (Post 2086291)
I don't see much discussion about the children. Does anyone think it's a good idea to start 'teaching' your 5-6 year olds about gender identity? How would you like your 7 year old coming home and telling you he/she wants to change sex ?

So, when little Jimmy says my moms took me camping, and other kids ask him about his "moms" the teacher can't explain that love is love and some kids have two moms and some kids have two dads. The teacher has to shut it down, making Jimmy's family sounds terrible and sets Jimmy up for serious bullying. That's what the bill does, it's yet another dog whistle. Fixing a problem that's not a problem. Disney will be around long after Desantis is forgotten.

Babubhat 04-21-2022 07:30 AM

Complete waste of time debating this. Disney will adapt and raise prices. Life goes on

Bogie Shooter 04-21-2022 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by lpkruege1 (Post 2086313)
This seems to be a political post.

Of the previous 50 ,,,,,which one?

Jacob85 04-21-2022 07:32 AM

I thought this site was not for political opinions

bp243 04-21-2022 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by airstreamingypsy (Post 2086348)
So, when little Jimmy says my moms took me camping, and other kids ask him about his "moms" the teacher can't explain that love is love and some kids have two moms and some kids have two dads. The teacher has to shut it down, making Jimmy's family sounds terrible and sets Jimmy up for serious bullying. That's what the bill does, it's yet another dog whistle. Fixing a problem that's not a problem.

Thank you! Discrimination is obviously being encouraged by those who are unable to embrace love over fear.

ASA89 04-21-2022 07:35 AM

DeSantis framed his bill to nullify special tax districts established prior to 1968. The Disney Reedy Creek district was established in 1967. No surprise because if he included all special districts, The Villages Developer would have been included!
Pretty transparent and an obvious attempt at punishing free speech. Let’s hope Disney puts it’s money into supporting candidates who aren’t running for the White House and actually represent all of their constituents.

dnptrll 04-21-2022 07:39 AM

Corrie Ten Boom; Some knowledge is too heavy for children
 
“Sex,” I was pretty sure, meant whether you were a boy or girl, and “sin” made Tante Jans very angry, but what the two together meant I could not imagine. And so, seated next to Father in the train compartment, I suddenly asked, “Father, what is sexsin?”
He turned to look at me, as he always did when answering a question, but to my surprise he said nothing. At last he stood up, lifted his traveling case from the rack over our heads, and set it on the floor.
“Will you carry it off the train, Corrie?” he said.
I stood up and tugged at it. It was crammed with the watches and spare parts he had purchased that morning.
“It’s too heavy,” I said.
“Yes,” he said. “And it would be a pretty poor father who would ask his little girl to carry such a load. It’s the same way, Corrie, with knowledge. Some knowledge is too heavy for children. When you are older and stronger you can bear it. For now you must trust me to carry it for you.” - from The Hiding Place: The Triumphant True Story of Corrie Ten Boom

We are asking our children to carry loads that are way too heavy for them. They should not be forced, as children, to see and feel the world through the lens of adults. Innocence is worth protecting and worth fighting for. We need to do our part as teachers, parents and caregivers to carry certain things for them until they are old enough to bear the load.

Gray lady of the sea 04-21-2022 07:40 AM

I agree ! Thank you


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