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Bill2 04-11-2015 04:19 AM

Put a lien on all four houses. Someone will tell who the guilty person is.

graciegirl 04-11-2015 04:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill2 (Post 1043475)
Put a lien on all four houses. Someone will tell who the guilty person is.


Ummm. You just can't do that. Law must be followed.

And marching isn't going to "flush" out the perp(s) either.

graciegirl 04-11-2015 04:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Bonanza (Post 1043472)
Do I understand you correctly that since the amount will only be about $.50 per unit, give or take, everyone should just forget about the tree incident? That in the scheme of things, it's really insignificant?

NO. But no one seems able to prove WHO did it even though they have it narrowed down to FOUR.

graciegirl 04-11-2015 04:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Bonanza (Post 1043474)
I've never heard of anything more ridiculous than the rationale that everyone south of 466 should pay to repair the erosion!

The bridge is part of a city street. How a county built bridge can be built on private property is beyond me. And how a certain portion of homeowners should be responsible for paying for this repair is beyond me even more. It is a city street. It is used buy everyone in the Villages, regardless of where someone lives. It is also used by anyone who chooses to use Morse as their route to go somewhere -- residents and non-residents alike.

So why is only a certain group responsible for the fix? This entire matter defies logic and the same goes for paying for the trees.

Because essentially the areas north and south of 466 are governed differently because of the danged ********

I think if you went to the meeting which explains a CDD form of government that it would be clearer.

bimmertl 04-11-2015 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1043481)
Because essentially the areas north and south of 466 are governed differently because of the danged ********

I think if you went to the meeting which explains a CDD form of government that it would be clearer.

Really, the lawsuit is the reason? Read the third paragraph from the attached article and then the rest of it if you wish.

Don't you just hate facts?



PROJECT WIDE AGREEMENT AFFIDAVIT

virgind 04-11-2015 07:38 AM

How did you get from trees to a bridge

Barefoot 04-11-2015 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill2 (Post 1043475)
Put a lien on all four houses. Someone will tell who the guilty person is.

I don't think it's an easy matter to just "put a lien on all four houses".
And although it's an appealing suggestion, I doubt you can force innocent people to take a Lie Detector test.
Since the coppers don't seem to be able to "finger a suspect", I think they're probably stymied.

I agree with Chi-Town. "So much time has passed that it is probably just history to those concerned. Nobody there is going to say anything, and it's probably getting close to cold case time with the authorities. Let's hope any fine is negotiable."

graciegirl 04-11-2015 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by bimmertl (Post 1043501)
Really, the lawsuit is the reason? Read the third paragraph from the attached article and then the rest of it if you wish.

Don't you just hate facts?



PROJECT WIDE AGREEMENT AFFIDAVIT


The areas north and south of 466 are governed differently.

I like my side the best.

Polar Bear 04-11-2015 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill2 (Post 1043475)
Put a lien on all four houses. Someone will tell who the guilty person is.

So...guilty 'till proven innocent?

graciegirl 04-11-2015 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Barefoot (Post 1043548)
I don't think it's an easy matter to just "put a lien on all four houses".
And although it's an appealing suggestion, I doubt you can force innocent people to take a Lie Detector test.
Since the coppers don't seem to be able to "finger a suspect", I think they're probably stymied.

I agree with Chi-Town. "So much time has passed that it is probably just history to those concerned. Nobody there is going to say anything, and it's probably getting close to cold case time with the authorities. Let's hope any fine is negotiable."


Bump

rubicon 04-11-2015 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Bonanza (Post 1043474)
I've never heard of anything more ridiculous than the rationale that everyone south of 466 should pay to repair the erosion!

The bridge is part of a city street. How a county built bridge can be built on private property is beyond me. And how a certain portion of homeowners should be responsible for paying for this repair is beyond me even more. It is a city street. It is used buy everyone in the Villages, regardless of where someone lives. It is also used by anyone who chooses to use Morse as their route to go somewhere -- residents and non-residents alike.

So why is only a certain group responsible for the fix? This entire matter defies logic and the same goes for paying for the trees.

:agree: Further it will set a precedent It seems that the residents in The Villages are the ones dumped on. The cart paths too narrow well let's ave the residents throw money in to widen them. Improper or no markings o cat path never installed let's get the residents to pay for them. trees down residents, erosion residents:cus:

Mleeja 04-11-2015 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by rubicon (Post 1043632)
:agree: Further it will set a precedent It seems that the residents in The Villages are the ones dumped on. The cart paths too narrow well let's ave the residents throw money in to widen them. Improper or no markings o cat path never installed let's get the residents to pay for them. trees down residents, erosion residents:cus:

If you lived in your "traditional" town or city, isn't this called property taxes? What's the difference?

kstew43 04-11-2015 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Mleeja (Post 1043676)
If you lived in your "traditional" town or city, isn't this called property taxes? What's the difference?

amenity fees and property taxes are two separate things.

Mleeja 04-11-2015 04:50 PM

Yes, i realize that amenity fees and property taxes are seperate things. My point is regardless of where you live, be it in The Villages or hooterville, USA, the residents of the area are going to be paying for repairs and maintenance of common areas and rightaways. Posters are saying the county should be paying for the repairs to the bridge stucture. Where does one think the county gets its funds? I see this as a distinction without a difference. The residence are going to pay.

perrjojo 04-11-2015 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Mleeja (Post 1043676)
If you lived in your "traditional" town or city, isn't this called property taxes? What's the difference?

:agree: you read my mind. That is eactly what I was thinking. Call it what you like but a community pays for its upkeep and ours is very well kept for very reasonable amenity fees, maintenance fees and taxes.

Bonanza 04-12-2015 05:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Mleeja (Post 1043676)
If you lived in your "traditional" town or city, isn't this called property taxes? What's the difference?

No, it isn't the same thing. How does this benefit non-golfers?

All residents shouldn't be paying for widening a cart path unless that was understood when you purchased there.

Bonanza 04-12-2015 06:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Mleeja (Post 1043704)
Yes, i realize that amenity fees and property taxes are seperate things. My point is regardless of where you live, be it in The Villages or hooterville, USA, the residents of the area are going to be paying for repairs and maintenance of common areas and rightaways. Posters are saying the county should be paying for the repairs to the bridge stucture. Where does one think the county gets its funds? I see this as a distinction without a difference. The residence are going to pay.

Tell me how it makes sense for only certain residents to be paying for erosion repair that is a county street on a lake that is privately owned???

Tell me how it makes sense for only certain residents to be paying for trees that were illegally cut down.

Morse Blvd. is a public roadway. It is NOT a common area. Either the county or the developer should be paying for the erosion repair -- NOT the residents!

By the way -- the county gets their taxes from everyone in the county, not just The Villages. Yes, there is a difference!

LndLocked 04-12-2015 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Bonanza (Post 1043855)
Tell me how it makes sense for only certain residents to be paying for erosion repair that is a county street on a lake that is privately owned???

Tell me how it makes sense for only certain residents to be paying for trees that were illegally cut down.

Morse Blvd. is a public roadway. It is NOT a common area. Either the county or the developer should be paying for the erosion repair -- NOT the residents!

By the way -- the county gets their taxes from everyone in the county, not just The Villages. Yes, there is a difference!

agreeance with every point!

Mleeja 04-12-2015 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Bonanza (Post 1043855)
Tell me how it makes sense for only certain residents to be paying for erosion repair that is a county street on a lake that is privately owned???

Tell me how it makes sense for only certain residents to be paying for trees that were illegally cut down.

Morse Blvd. is a public roadway. It is NOT a common area. Either the county or the developer should be paying for the erosion repair -- NOT the residents!

By the way --
Yes, there is a difference!

Who makes up the majority of Sumter County? The Villages... Maybe we should make this a toll bridge since vehicles from Orlando, Ocala, Daytona, Lake City, Tampa or Silver Lake all use this bridge when visiting The Villages. This would relieve the "certain residents" for having to pay for others.

The trees, which this topic is suppost to be about, I am in agreement. If the ones responsible for cutting down the trees can be found, (not only the one who cut down the tree, but the people who requested the trees be cut down) should be responsible for the cost of restoring the land. But in the meantime, the state is requiring the land be restored and that aint free... The money comes from somewhere and that would be the resident taxpayers south of 466. You don't have to like it, but get over it...that is just the way it is.

iaudit 04-12-2015 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1043481)
Because essentially the areas north and south of 466 are governed differently because of the danged ********

I think if you went to the meeting which explains a CDD form of government that it would be clearer.

The VCCCD (North) and the SLCCD (South) were created by that "danged" developer, not by any lawsuit. I think if you went to the meeting which explains the Villages "CCD" form of government that it would be clearer.

graciegirl 04-12-2015 02:37 PM

Returning to discussion of trees removed.

Someone or someones either removed a number of protected live oaks themselves or hired someone to remove them from property that was not owned by them, but rather owned by the district.

The St John's River Authority leveled a fine for the illegal removal of the large live oak trees against the district.

Although some evidence strongly supports who might have gained from the tree removal no one can PROVE who directed and paid for the activity.

The district must pay for the damage.

If a park in Cincinnati was vandalized and swings broken and removed, then the cost of repair would go to Santa Claus?

I think not.

Same deal everywhere. No conspiracy that I can smell against the developer who I think is JUST WONDERFUL.

People need to stop making things up and placing blame where it doesn't belong. I think everyone who has read about this mess has a pretty good idea of who might have done it. Or at least narrowed the who down to four.

perrjojo 04-12-2015 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1044033)
Returning to discussion of trees removed.

Someone or someones either removed a number of protected live oaks themselves or hired someone to remove them from property that was not owned by them, but rather owned by the district.

The St John's River Authority leveled a fine for the illegal removal of the large live oak trees against the district.

Although some evidence strongly supports who might have gained from the tree removal no one can PROVE who directed and paid for the activity.

The district must pay for the damage.

If a park in Cincinnati was vandalized and swings broken and removed, then the cost of repair would go to Santa Claus?

I think not.

Same deal everywhere. No conspiracy that I can smell against the developer who I think is JUST WONDERFUL.

People need to stop making things up and placing blame where it doesn't belong. I think everyone who has read about this mess has a pretty good idea of who might have done it. Or at least narrowed the who down to four.

Do you think whomever did this is enjoying the view? I think not. As they say Karma is a @*#%. I would be holding my breath every day wondering when the truth would come out but then again there are those with no conscience.

Mleeja 04-12-2015 06:37 PM

Could be the one responsible for cutting down the trees do not visit this site and ARE enjoying the view unaware of the furor they have caused....

billethkid 04-12-2015 06:41 PM

Is there a scenario where those who are enjoying the view were not the perpetrators?

LndLocked 04-12-2015 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 1044115)
Is there a scenario where those who are enjoying the view were not the perpetrators?

IMO ...... So extremely unlikely that it does not warrant consideration.

Barefoot 04-12-2015 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Mleeja (Post 1043895)
But in the meantime, the state is requiring the land be restored and that aint free... The money comes from somewhere and that would be the resident taxpayers south of 466. You don't have to like it, but get over it...that is just the way it is.

I assume you live north of CR 466.

Mleeja 04-12-2015 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Barefoot (Post 1044125)
I assume you live north of CR 466.

I guess this makes my opinion less? I can live in timbucto, but that is not going to change the outcome. Unless the parties responsible can be found guilty in court, the district will be footing the bill. Yell at me all you want...

VT2TV 04-12-2015 09:28 PM

A peron who I consider to be reliable told me on Saturday that apparently someone from Lake Miona Village had applied for a permit to cut the trees down, and was denied. Hmmmmm......I DO NOT know if this is true or not, but if it is, someone certainly should be able to put one and one together, right?????

Barefoot 04-12-2015 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Mleeja (Post 1043895)
The trees, which this The money comes from somewhere and that would be the resident taxpayers south of 466. You don't have to like it, but get over it...that is just the way it is.


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Originally Posted by Mleeja (Post 1044134)
I guess this makes my opinion less? I can live in timbucto, but that is not going to change the outcome. Unless the parties responsible can be found guilty in court, the district will be footing the bill. Yell at me all you want...

Of course it doesn't make your opinion less, and no-one is yelling at you.
I merely thought you might feel differently if you lived south of CR 466.

VT2TV 04-12-2015 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Mleeja (Post 1044134)
I guess this makes my opinion less? I can live in timbucto, but that is not going to change the outcome. Unless the parties responsible can be found guilty in court, the district will be footing the bill. Yell at me all you want...


This and the previous comments are pretty heartless-I happen to live in the areas who have to pay, but even if the situation was reversed, I would never tell anyone to just get over it. I hope I would be a lot more compassionate for my fellow Villagers.

billethkid 04-13-2015 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 1044279)
Duh!

I think in addition to all the suspicions and adding of 1 + 1, there should be some thought given to why the TV responded so quickly to pick up the tab on the infraction.

Usually there are many meetings to determine how to spend our money.
With reports of status, who said what and sometimes even why.
In this specific case TV responded very quickly with what they were going to do and how much it was going to cost with not much more info than that.

graciegirl 04-13-2015 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 1044314)
I think in addition to all the suspicions and adding of 1 + 1, there should be some thought given to why the TV responded so quickly to pick up the tab on the infraction.

Usually there are many meetings to determine how to spend our money.
With reports of status, who said what and sometimes even why.
In this specific case TV responded very quickly with what they were going to do and how much it was going to cost with not much more info than that.


I don't understand. If there was a fine, then paying it is the only solution, right?

What scenario could be different? The lots with the view were sold and had been sold for many years, so giving someone a clear view at this point couldn't profit the developers, right? How could The Morses gain from this tree cutting? I can't think what you are getting at, Bille.

Polar Bear 04-13-2015 09:41 AM

District to Pay for Unauthorized Tree Cutting
 
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Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 1044314)
I think in addition to all the suspicions and adding of 1 + 1, there should be some thought given to why the TV responded so quickly to pick up the tab on the infraction...

This likely is just a case of a permit violation. The VCDD is the permittee regardless of who actually cut down the trees. The permittee pays up and then considers what further action to take.

Challenger 06-06-2015 08:51 AM

Contact your CDD/ elected reps and request strongly that the pressure be continued on this issue. Raise the reward to $10,000=$1000 from each obligated district.

It might be in the Developers best interest to join in the reward contribution.

Bogie Shooter 06-06-2015 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by VT2TV (Post 1044169)
A peron who I consider to be reliable told me on Saturday that apparently someone from Lake Miona Village had applied for a permit to cut the trees down, and was denied. Hmmmmm......I DO NOT know if this is true or not, but if it is, someone certainly should be able to put one and one together, right?????

This looks like a rumor waiting to happen.
You heard from someone you consider reliable.......but you DO NOT know if it is true or not?????????
Just think - if there was a permit application, don't you think the dectective would look into that??

janmcn 06-06-2015 10:10 AM

The trees have been replaced at the cost of roughly $50,000, according to a new article in the on-line news.

rubicon 06-06-2015 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Polar Bear;104***3
This likely is just a case of a permit violation. The VCDD is the permittee regardless of who actually cut down the trees. The permittee pays up and then considers what further action to take.

Hi Polar Bear:

The VCCDD is we. We paid for the party but never got invited.

Barefoot 06-06-2015 11:30 AM

Originally Posted by VT2TV https://www.talkofthevillages.com/fo...s/viewpost.gif
A peron who I consider to be reliable told me on Saturday that apparently someone from Lake Miona Village had applied for a permit to cut the trees down, and was denied. Hmmmmm......I DO NOT know if this is true or not, but if it is, someone certainly should be able to put one and one together, right?????

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Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 1070844)
This looks like a rumor waiting to happen.
You heard from someone you consider reliable.......but you DO NOT know if it is true or not?????????
Just think - if there was a permit application, don't you think the dectective would look into that??

I'm pretty sure they teach that in Basic Detective School. :popcorn:

rubicon 06-06-2015 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Barefoot (Post 1070880)
Originally Posted by VT2TV https://www.talkofthevillages.com/fo...s/viewpost.gif
A peron who I consider to be reliable told me on Saturday that apparently someone from Lake Miona Village had applied for a permit to cut the trees down, and was denied. Hmmmmm......I DO NOT know if this is true or not, but if it is, someone certainly should be able to put one and one together, right?????



I'm pretty sure they teach that in Basic Detective School. :popcorn:

"When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable must be the truth" "Sherlock Holmes The Sign Of The Four"

Barefoot 06-06-2015 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by rubicon (Post 1070885)
"When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable must be the truth" "Sherlock Holmes The Sign Of The Four"

Have you solved the mystery yet?
What do you think the solution is?
I think it would take a reward of over $10,000 to loosen some lips.


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