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fdpaq0580 04-08-2024 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 2319795)
Did you fall for that?!?!?! :1rotfl::1rotfl:

Did you not fall for it before you bought here? Key word was "illusion".

dhdallas 04-08-2024 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Goldwingnut (Post 2319768)
The purpose of the gates is to slow traffic down to allow safe crossing of golf carts, nothing more.

The purpose of the gates is give the impression of a truly gated community which is used as a marketing tool. A speed bump would do a better job if slowing traffic was the reason AND it would be a lot less expensive.

JustSomeGuy 04-08-2024 10:44 PM

Well almost... except Lake Denham
 
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Originally Posted by Goldwingnut (Post 2319768)
The purpose of the gates is to slow traffic down to allow safe crossing of golf carts, nothing more.

Lake Denham has a gate at Meggison and 470 but no gate at the closest road to Leesburg.... Chandler Rd (but a great entrance sign invites you to the Villages!). Makes no sense.

Also no cart path crossing at that gate on 470 either. Happens much earlier where they force a cross over to the left side of Meggison before Chandler Rd. No guard house or gate there makes no sense but saved them money. You have access to all of The Villages until just before Sawgrass Grove... no license plate camera the entire trip if you enter on Chandler RD and exit Chandler RD. That includes many Rec centers and hundreds of homes open to anyone who decides to visit them.

jimdecastro 04-09-2024 04:32 AM

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Originally Posted by mrf0151 (Post 2319760)
Why do we really need Gate Cards when all we need to do is hit the red button for entrance to all the gates? Seems like a waste of money.

At least you have a gate. Newell doesn't. Originally, I thought budget Kutz; but every other Village has one…

Ignatz 04-09-2024 05:04 AM

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Originally Posted by JustSomeGuy (Post 2319921)
Lake Denham has a gate at Meggison and 470 but no gate at the closest road to Leesburg.... Chandler Rd (but a great entrance sign invites you to the Villages!). Makes no sense.

Also no cart path crossing at that gate on 470 either. Happens much earlier where they force a cross over to the left side of Meggison before Chandler Rd. No guard house or gate there makes no sense but saved them money. You have access to all of The Villages until just before Sawgrass Grove... no license plate camera the entire trip if you enter on Chandler RD and exit Chandler RD. That includes many Rec centers and hundreds of homes open to anyone who decides to visit them.

Was the gate on Chandler removed? I haven’t gone that ways in months.

msilagy 04-09-2024 05:04 AM

Many people visiting or driving thru think this is a gated community. My Dr up north and his wife drove thru and told me he wished they could have driven in some of the neighborhoods but it was gated. That's the assumption. Lots more in this world to be concerned about.

Goldwingnut 04-09-2024 05:37 AM

The Chandler entry is different than most because the road from Chadler up to the Enclave is on Leesburg Property, the developer negotiated a limited right-of-way to build the road to the Enclave, but it had to be freely accessible since it was city property. If you enter Chandler from the south there is a gate on the right going into the veranda/cyv community, one at the Enclave, and one just past the turnoff to the Enclave, combined these help to control the access to the community.
What has happened in the last decade or so for manned gates is that there is generally only one manned gate going into a segment of a community and it is normally on the main road feeding the area, this gives an opportunity for receiving directions and information from a live person for visitors and residents alike. Yes, there are exceptions - Marsh Bend trail has manned gates at Warm Springs and 301(2 major feeders), no gate at Linden/MG, no manned gates for St Johns or StC, Hawkins, and CH, and the list goes on. Several years ago it was decided that every gate, manned or unmanned would have cameras for the license plate capture that goes back to Community Watch, and I have not seen a departure from this plan as I drive the community.

Normal 04-09-2024 06:11 AM

Gates
 
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Originally Posted by jimdecastro (Post 2319928)
At least you have a gate. Newell doesn't. Originally, I thought budget Kutz; but every other Village has one…

They need gates on the Meggison Freeway for sure. It’s fairly difficult to even cross in some areas.

Bellavita 04-09-2024 06:13 AM

Security hit the button it takes a photo

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Originally Posted by mrf0151 (Post 2319760)
Why do we really need Gate Cards when all we need to do is hit the red button for entrance to all the gates? Seems like a waste of money.


Marathon Man 04-09-2024 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by jimdecastro (Post 2319928)
At least you have a gate. Newell doesn't. Originally, I thought budget Kutz; but every other Village has one…

Not every village has a gate. There are several that don't. However, you do need to enter a gate to get to any village, and if you have done that, then you need not go through a second one to get to the next village. The gates are located where the public areas meet the residential areas.

Marathon Man 04-09-2024 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by dhdallas (Post 2319915)
The purpose of the gates is give the impression of a truly gated community which is used as a marketing tool. A speed bump would do a better job if slowing traffic was the reason AND it would be a lot less expensive.

No speed bumps. Repeat, no speed bumps.

JoelJohnson 04-09-2024 06:50 AM

There are some gates, that after hours, need the card, no red button.

coconutmama 04-09-2024 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by tophcfa (Post 2319874)
Sounds like the two gates on Morse just north of 466. The gate attendants simply stagger the cars going through the two gates, sending the cars through as fast as possible without leaving breaks for the golf carts that need to pass in front of the automobile traffic. Wouldn’t it be nice if the gate attendants left some space between the automotive traffic every three or four cars for a couple of golf carts to crossover! It’s a real issue during busy season weekdays when the traffic at that spot is congested. I suppose it’s asking too much of the gate attendants to periodically turn their head around and check to see how long the golf cart backup is behind them?

Totally agree that this is a very dangerous situation. There has to be a way that the gate attendant can be notified of the carts waiting to cross the traffic behind the gate & pause the car flow for a few seconds.

Shipping up to Boston 04-09-2024 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Marathon Man (Post 2319969)
Not every village has a gate. There are several that don't. However, you do need to enter a gate to get to any village, and if you have done that, then you need not go through a second one to get to the next village. The gates are located where the public areas meet the residential areas.

CW for the most part is staffing the important entries. The public/private makeup of TV makes a gated community concept a moot point...mentioned many times here. CDD site makes that point clear. CW has an observe and report only function... they're not LEO. Do you need gates and cards, not necessarily. But what you do need to maintain a consistent quality of life is deterrents. What's in place, while not perfect, serves that (limited) purpose.

cjrjck 04-09-2024 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Dusty_Star (Post 2319805)
I would like to see the gate attendants slow down the incoming guest traffic. On a gate entrance I use frequently they open the gate as soon as they see a truck or car heading their way. The end result is the entering guest traffic has no slow down what so ever & they frequently just speed through the entrance.

Then use the left lane. I do in those cases. The few places I see this happening regularly are intersections that would create dangerous situations if the traffic were to back up such as the northbound gate at 466 and Morse. I've seen times where even expedited flows of traffic were not enough to keep the intersection there clear of northbound vehicles.


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