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Danube 06-27-2025 05:42 AM

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Originally Posted by margaretmattson (Post 2441403)
Our neighborhood also has a pool and pavillon solely for neighborhood use.

You're saying other Villages residents can't use the pool?

Where is this, and how is it enforced?

retiredguy123 06-27-2025 05:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Danube (Post 2441617)
You're saying other Villages residents can't use the pool?

Where is this, and how is it enforced?

As I understand it, if it is funded by The Villages amenity fees, other Villagers can use it.

margaretmattson 06-27-2025 05:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Danube (Post 2441617)
You're saying other Villages residents can't use the pool?

Where is this, and how is it enforced?

It is not enforced. Few outside of the neighborhood have interest in it. The vast majority of the time it is only neighbors in the pool. There are several CYV neighborhoods with pools. Creekside Landing, Mission Hills, Woodbury, Rio Grande, plus a few more. Usually, the pool was included in these neighborhoods because sales at one time used the villas for Lifestyle Visits. But, not all. Sometimes the Developer simply decided to add a pool to the Villa neighborhood, like in Woodbury.

When I wrote private, I meant away from crowds and secluded. Like a home on a small street with few or no neighbors. Of course, any Villager can use it! They rarely do. Which is my second meaning
of private.

I think the one in Rio Grande is enforced. Neighbors only because they pay for the grounds and upkeep.

Normal 06-27-2025 05:57 AM

Golf Ball Damage verses Drained Out Ponds?
 
At a certain time both types of lots are appealing. Timing is everything. Some ponds drain out and are still empty with overgrown weeds. Ashland pond is one such example. A sinkhole can drain a pond quickly with no fix in sight and the dead fish stink.

Golf course lots have great views too. It’s those golf ball dings in the house and loose shingles from the dropping white dimpled spheres that may turn some off.

Like a showroom, both can be shown off as dazzling, it’s the day-to-day reality that can be troublesome.

Danube 06-27-2025 05:57 AM

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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 2441620)
As I understand it, if it is funded by The Villages amenity fees, other Villagers can use it.

That's also my understanding.

Waiting for margaretmattson to tell use where this is exclusive neighborhood pool is located:

"Our neighborhood also has a pool and pavillon solely for neighborhood use."

Maybe near the Championship couse that mows in the late morning or early afternoon?

Malsua 06-27-2025 05:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Danube (Post 2441617)
You're saying other Villages residents can't use the pool?

Where is this, and how is it enforced?

I know that De La Mesa(North of 466 of Rio Grande) has one of these pools and you specifically have to pay for it and it is exclusively for the residents of that neighborhood.

For some reason I think there is one more of these somewhere, but I can't recall where. Maybe there isn't.

retiredguy123 06-27-2025 06:07 AM

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Originally Posted by margaretmattson (Post 2441621)
It is not enforced. Few outside of the neighborhood have interest in it. The vast majority of the time it is only neighbors in the pool. There are several CYV neighborhoods with pools. Creekside Landing, Mission Hills, Woodbury, Rio Grande, plus a few more. Usually, the pool was included in these neighborhoods because sales at one time used them for Lifestyle Visits. But, not all. Sometimes the Developer simply decided to add a pool to the Villa neighborhood, like in Woodbury.

It is not enforced because it is not enforceable. If the pool is funded by the amenity fees, it is not "solely" for neighborhood use. Any Villager can use any pool that is funded by the amenity fees.

margaretmattson 06-27-2025 06:23 AM

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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 2441629)
It is not enforced because it is not enforceable. If the pool is funded by the amenity fees, it is not "solely" for neighborhood use. Any Villager can use any pool that is funded by the amenity fees.

Correct. I added more to my prior post. My meaning of the word private meant away from crowds. Sorry, for the misunderstanding.

Rio Grande is enforced. Neighbors only because they pay for grounds and upkeep. I did not and will not state what neighborhood I reside for security reasons. I've always been told never divulge your home address on social media.

Danube 06-27-2025 06:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Malsua (Post 2441625)
I know that De La Mesa(North of 466 of Rio Grande) has one of these pools and you specifically have to pay for it and it is exclusively for the residents of that neighborhood.

For some reason I think there is one more of these somewhere, but I can't recall where. Maybe there isn't.

What you are saying is, if I, not a resident of De La Mesa, try to use that pool I will be asked to leave? By who's authority?

I don't think so.

Danube 06-27-2025 06:34 AM

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Originally Posted by margaretmattson (Post 2441633)
Correct. I added more to my post. My meaning of the word private meant away from crowds. Rio Grande is enforced because they pay for grounds and upkeep.

Wot? Now you're saying another(?) "Rio Grande" pool is off-limits to most residents of TV? Or are you talking about Villa de la Mesa?

How is the exclusivity enforced? Will the sheriff come if a resident of Virginia Trace refuses to leave this pool?

Malsua 06-27-2025 06:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Danube (Post 2441634)
What you are saying is, if I, not a resident of De La Mesa, try to use that pool I will be asked to leave? By who's authority?

I don't think so.

The residents pay somewhere around $800 annually, maybe a touch more, per household for use of the space. This is on top of the regular amenities fee.

margaretmattson 06-27-2025 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Danube (Post 2441636)
Wot? Now you're saying another(?) "Rio Gramnde" pool
is off-limits to
most residents
of TV? Or are
you talking
about Villa de la Mesa?
How is the exclusivity enforced? Will the sheriff come if a resident of Virginia Trace refuses to leave this pool?

I only know the pool is in the Village of Rio Grande. Everyone I know calls the pool private Rio Grande. This name was used when the pool and park were constructed. Older residents do not know it by any other name. I have no idea how it is enforced.

Danube 06-27-2025 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Malsua (Post 2441639)
The residents pay somewhere around $800 annually, maybe a touch more, per household for use of the space. This is on top of the regular amenities fee.

Weird how no one can answer my question: How is the exclusivity enforced?

Makes me think the "exclusive pools" are just rumors to keep people away.

Danube 06-27-2025 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by margaretmattson (Post 2441641)
I only know the pool is in the Village of Rio Grande. I have no idea how it is enforced.

Probably because it's not enforced / does not exist.

Malsua 06-27-2025 06:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Danube (Post 2441642)
Weird how no one can answer my question: How is the exclusivity enforced?

Makes me think the "exclusive pools" are just rumors to keep people away.

I have a friend who lives in that community. He is out of town or I'd ask him.

I don't know if there are any others, but that pool at least does enforce membership payment. I don't know how, but I know for sure that they do. Otherwise few would pay for it and everyone would use it.

None of the other neighborhood pools are restricted like that one, specific pool. I'm pretty sure you get a pin on badge and you will be asked to leave if you don't have it. And yes, I'm pretty sure this will escalate all the way up to involving the cops.

Malsua 06-27-2025 06:58 AM

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Here's the sign on the gate on either end.

"De Le Mesa Residents Only"

Ken D. 06-27-2025 07:29 AM

Golf course view
 
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Originally Posted by fflmaster (Post 2441330)
I am sure this is discussed in Nauseam, but can’t seem to find much on a search with recent opinions.

I expect my wife and I will want to design our house vs purchase an already made and ready new home if we go in the new home direction.

However, looking at locations TV releases to build lots on the price can go from 5k to 200k.

I get the idea of pick what you can afford and want, but I am still the kind of person that needs to confirm value. Say, we decide to move to a new location in 10 years. I don’t want to loose 200k in value. Up North, the area and size of house would all be similar in price. View would not mean anything to valuation of sale.

So, do the golf course views really sell for 200k more than a same style home without the view? Or do you understand and accept a loss if you purchase the view?

We hit it right, beautiful golf course view, no worry about balls or carts near our home. Never hear mowers, but can see from afar.

margaretmattson 06-27-2025 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Ken D. (Post 2441656)
We hit it right, beautiful golf course view, no worry about balls or carts near our home. Never hear mowers, but can see from afar.

Stunning! Now that's a view I would pay extra! You chose well.

Kelevision 06-27-2025 07:49 AM

The answers will be as follows… People who have a view lot will tell you yes, it’s worth it and people who don’t will say it’s not worth it. I don’t, I have a courtyard villa with a wall but, if money didn’t matter I’d have definitely gone with a view lot. No question. Then there’s which view. I personally, don’t care about a retention pond view and wouldn’t take that. I love the nature preserve views and/or marshland views. I don’t want golf course views because if I can see them, they can see me. I could NEVER live in anything with kissing lanais yet it doesn’t bother others. To each their own and only you can decided if it’s worth it.

golfing eagles 06-27-2025 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Malsua (Post 2441649)
Here's the sign on the gate on either end.

"De Le Mesa Residents Only"

I wonder who put up that sign :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Ken D. 06-27-2025 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Kelevision (Post 2441663)
The answers will be as follows… People who have a view lot will tell you yes, it’s worth it and people who don’t will say it’s not worth it. I don’t, I have a courtyard villa with a wall but, if money didn’t matter I’d have definitely gone with a view lot. No question. Then there’s which view. I personally, don’t care about a retention pond view and wouldn’t take that. I love the nature preserve views and/or marshland views. I don’t want golf course views because if I can see them, they can see me. I could NEVER live in anything with kissing lanais yet it doesn’t bother others. To each their own and only you can decided if it’s worth it.

We can see them, but they cannot see us *♂️

Tomptomp 06-27-2025 08:34 AM

Golf course view.
 
Unless you have lived on a golf course you don’t know what it’s like. I have a spectacular view and I love it. It GREAT !

margaretmattson 06-27-2025 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2441668)
I wonder who put up that sign :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

I have lived in the area over 20 yrs. This pool and park has been private for 15 yrs, maybe a little longer. It was the first neighborhood that was built for lifestyle visits. At one time, the townhomes in Spanish Springs were also used for lifestyle visits. When the developer moved on, the upkeep for both areas became the responsibility of those who bought. I know for certain, the townhomes at Spanish Springs has an HOA. I heard there was an HOA in the area of the private pool and park. I have no idea if it is soley for the villa owners or the entire village. I believe the HOAs are the reason they can set their own rules.

Both areas were constructed 20 yrs ago. Schwartz was in charge. He did things differently than Gary Morse. No one should be annoyed by the perks from the past. The generation now in charge is providing perks in the newer areas. Change is good!

golfing eagles 06-27-2025 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Tomptomp (Post 2441679)
Unless you have lived on a golf course you don’t know what it’s like. I have a spectacular view and I love it. It GREAT !

Agree 1,000,000%. I have a 180 degree view of a championship course with 3 water features in view. The cart path does not come close to my house, and since it is on the left side of the fairway and recessed a bit, I've never been hit to my knowledge, and have only found 2 balls in my yard in 11 years. This compares to the tens of thousands of balls sliced into the water on the right :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:. Also, they rarely mow before 8AM, and I can't hear the choice words uttered on the tee. Probably in the top 2% of view lots in TV. Of course, these lot premiums aren't cheap. 11 years ago it was $175,000 and I can only imagine what a similar lot would go for today. Still, I wouldn't trade it for almost anything.

golfing eagles 06-27-2025 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by margaretmattson (Post 2441687)
I have lived in the area over 20 yrs. This pool and park has been private for 15 yrs, maybe a little longer. It was the first neighborhood that was built for lifestyle visits. At one time, the townhomes in Spanish Springs were also used for lifestyle visits. When the developer moved on, the upkeep for both areas became the responsibility of those who bought. I know for certain, the townhomes at Spanish Springs has an HOA. I heard there was an HOA in the area of the private pool and park. I have no idea if it is soley for the villa owners or the entire village. I believe the HOAs are the reason they can set their own rules.

Both areas were constructed 20 yrs ago. Schwartz was in charge and he did things differently than Gary Morse. No one should be annoyed by the perks from the past. The generation now in charge is providing perks in the newer areas. Change is good!

Wasn't aware of that. But I assume the litmus test is not whether there is an HOA, but whether or not general amenity fees are supporting the pool. Not that I care, I've never been in community pool in 11 years

shut the front door 06-27-2025 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by mrf6969 (Post 2441337)
Money better spent to have a nice quiet open space lot behind your home with a water view. Lots to look at and peaceful. If we ever put our home on the market, it will go long before other homes of the same type. We love ours.

Same here. I wouldn't take a golf course lot if you gave it to me because I simply do not want to sit on my lanai and have to see and smell the gas carts zipping around. Water view, all day.

rjm1cc 06-27-2025 10:24 AM

My neighbor had the same question and a specific lot (in the area of the green and tee) in mind. She went out to the lot several times during the day for a few hours and concluded there was too much golf traffic by the lot for her to enjoy her patio. I would avoid ponds because they can develop a leak and that could lead to a sink hole.

jimhoward 06-27-2025 10:34 AM

I think these is a large of variety of golf course view lots. There was a spectacular image a few posts back of a view of a peninsula green and bunker. Almost everyone would want that and would pay a lot for it.

But there are a lot of golf courses here and a lot of golf course view lots and not all of them are so great. I don't really like the ones that are right along the fairways where the lanai and the pool are just a few meters from the O.B. markers. Seems like they are on display. I am also not a big fan of the golf course views on the pitch and putts. I would prefer any view lot to an interior lot, but view lots are definitely not all equal.

And speaking of not equal, I'd like to speak in favor of the red-headed step child of view lots......the retention pond view. Those lots provide good privacy to the rear since the nearest house to the rear is far away on the other side of the pond. To my eye they have a nice view. Importantly, the homesite premium for those lots is far less than the $150-$200K mentioned on this thread.

I have a home on a retention pond in Water's Edge. The lot, by Villages standards, is oversized at 0.27 acres. My homesite premium was $69,000. I would have paid more for a still better view, but those are hard to get.

merrymini 06-27-2025 10:56 AM

I have lived on a championship course for 10 years. Great view and lovely sunsets, they will have to carry me out foot first. That being said, if you think people playing on championship courses are much better, you are mistaken. Most people are very good but there is always the idiot coming onto your property and yes I find golf balls frequently. The good outnumber the bad, fortunately, but the bad makes me hate golfers. There is early mowing, like before 6 am. Because I usually have my windows closed, it isn't a big problem. If I moved, I would probably choose a prairie, but no ponds, roads, edge of property lots and no where near a rec center. I would not like to hear pickleballs all day long!

FoPAA 06-27-2025 01:15 PM

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Our pups have always loved our view as much as we do.

tophcfa 06-27-2025 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2441688)
Agree 1,000,000%. The cart path does not come close to my house, and since it is on the left side of the fairway and recessed a bit, I've never been hit to my knowledge, and have only found 2 balls in my yard.

So the left side of the fairway is safer? Thinking about it, I guess that makes sense. Good golfers tend to draw the ball, and the hackers typically are slicers. Although the pull hooks can be real low trajectory bullets.

tophcfa 06-27-2025 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2441689)
Wasn't aware of that. But I assume the litmus test is not whether there is an HOA, but whether or not general amenity fees are supporting the pool. Not that I care, I've never been in community pool in 11 years

Don’t live there, but it’s in my neck of the woods and am well aware of the situation. It’s not supported by the general resident ammenity fees, it’s an assessment for the residents in the particular neighborhood that has access to the park/pool.

golfing eagles 06-28-2025 06:14 AM

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Originally Posted by tophcfa (Post 2441819)
Don’t live there, but it’s in my neck of the woods and am well aware of the situation. It’s not supported by the general resident ammenity fees, it’s an assessment for the residents in the particular neighborhood that has access to the park/pool.

Then the next question would be if the original build of the pool was supported by the bond for that CDD and not just that "neighborhood"

CoachKandSportsguy 06-28-2025 07:49 AM

personal opinion: I would trade the incremental cost of water view lot for a bigger house, or a house with more outdoor living features.

unfortunately the water view is not natural, has gators which can eat grandchildren, and the golf course is a nemesis, a foe to be wrestled with regularly, and therefore we don't need the constant reminder of the struggle....

tophcfa 06-28-2025 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy (Post 2441874)
personal opinion: I would trade the incremental cost of water view lot for a bigger house, or a house with more outdoor living features.

unfortunately the water view is not natural, has gators which can eat grandchildren, and the golf course is a nemesis, a foe to be wrestled with regularly, and therefore we don't need the constant reminder of the struggle....

It’s not just the view one is paying for, it’s the privacy that comes along with it, which is priceless. A big part of the reason we spend so much time outside in our pool/birdcage is the privacy. If we were looking out an other homes instead of a wildlife preserve there is no way we would get the same level of enjoyment out of our property. I suppose using the premium cost for more house would be worth it for folks who spend all of their time at home inside the house?

shut the front door 06-28-2025 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy (Post 2441874)
personal opinion: I would trade the incremental cost of water view lot for a bigger house, or a house with more outdoor living features.

unfortunately the water view is not natural, has gators which can eat grandchildren, and the golf course is a nemesis, a foe to be wrestled with regularly, and therefore we don't need the constant reminder of the struggle....

In the history of The Villages, do you know how many grandchildren have been eaten by alligators?
ZERO. Not one. Put the pearls down.

thelegges 06-28-2025 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by shut the front door (Post 2441931)
In the history of The Villages, do you know how many grandchildren have been eaten by alligators?
ZERO. Not one. Put the pearls down.

One TV Buffalo munched on a child’s fingers while grandpa held the kid over the fence to pet the buffalo. Which quickly cause the developer to move buffalo to an undisclosed location.

Thanks Grandpa for decision that caused harm, and made him $$$

Nana2Teddy 06-29-2025 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by tophcfa (Post 2441590)
Really? There is no other place in the entire world, no less the USA, that is like the lifestyle in the bubble. If the Villages didn’t exist, my wife and I wouldn’t have a home in Florida.

Ditto! We’d still be in SoCal with the perfect low humidity weather and very few bugs. I’m a Disney parks fan, but would never have moved here just for Disney World. We’re here only because of The Villages lifestyle.

Nana2Teddy 06-29-2025 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by margaretmattson (Post 2441621)
It is not enforced. Few outside of the neighborhood have interest in it. The vast majority of the time it is only neighbors in the pool. There are several CYV neighborhoods with pools. Creekside Landing, Mission Hills, Woodbury, Rio Grande, plus a few more. Usually, the pool was included in these neighborhoods because sales at one time used the villas for Lifestyle Visits. But, not all. Sometimes the Developer simply decided to add a pool to the Villa neighborhood, like in Woodbury.

When I wrote private, I meant away from crowds and secluded. Like a home on a small street with few or no neighbors. Of course, any Villager can use it! They rarely do. Which is my second meaning
of private.

I think the one in Rio Grande is enforced. Neighbors only because they pay for the grounds and upkeep.

Our lifestyle visit in 2022 was at Alden Bungalows near Brownwood, which is a CYV neighborhood. The pool was in that neighborhood and was always very quiet with very few people, or just us, using it. At that time it was maybe just one street with Lifestyle villas, the rest were privately owned. We also have a village near us now that has their only pool in the CYV neighborhood. We checked it out once and it was empty, so with it being just a 7 minute cart ride from us we’ll be using it occasionally.

margaretmattson 06-29-2025 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Nana2Teddy (Post 2442109)
Our lifestyle visit in 2022 was at Alden Bungalows near
Brownwood, which is a CYV neighborhood. The pool was in that neighborhood and was always very quiet with very few people, or just us, using it. At that time it was maybe just one street with Lifestyle villas, the rest were privately owned. We also have a village near us now that has their only pool in the CYV neighborhood. We checked it out once and it was empty, so with it being just a 7 minute cart ride from us we’ll be using it occasionally.

With snowbirds gone, you will probably have the pool to yourself. Enjoy!


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