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fdpaq0580 02-13-2022 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by b1ll649 (Post 2060745)
I agree 100% and those who treat yeald signs like stop signs are just as guilty.

"Yield" means "STOP" and give way until it is safe to proceed. Regularly see folks racing up to the yield sign hoping to intimidate those with the right of way to give way out of fear of being hit. No excuses for those self centered idiots.

Bill14564 02-13-2022 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2060808)
"Yield" means "STOP" and give way until it is safe to proceed. Regularly see folks racing up to the yield sign hoping to intimidate those with the right of way to give way out of fear of being hit. No excuses for those self centered idiots.

No, "yield" does not mean "STOP." If they wanted a stop sign at an intersection then they could have put a stop sign at the intersection but instead they placed a yield sign. Yield means yield the right of way: It often requires slowing to determine if there is someone to yield the right of way to; It occasionally requires stopping to actually give the right of way but, it does not mean "STOP."

golfing eagles 02-13-2022 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Laker14 (Post 2060686)
Or, here's another thought: Not everyone has to be like you. The "slug" does not have to drive to your standards. It is not the "slug"'s responsibility to make you happy. It is his/her responsibility to drive safely, in a way that he/she is comfortable. Your job is to deal with it safely.

And here's the correct (my) way of thinking. Various roads have various speed limits that are set by our elected representatives. It has nothing to do with MY standard, or making ME happy, nor you either. It is a traffic law, usually based on traffic engineering studies. The person who makes it THEIR "responsibility" to drive much lower than the agreed upon speed limit presents a hazard to everyone else using the road, kind of like a rolling trash can that everyone has to bypass. At least interstates have posted minimum speeds----they should do that everywhere.

golfing eagles 02-13-2022 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2060797)
Interesting. Relatively few minimum speed signs nation wide. Usually on freeways/highways. Golf carts, generally, have no place to move over to. On roads with single lane, like in the villages, no place to move over to.
"Entitled"??. Who?? The one driving at or below the legal limit, or the one that, as a committee of one, decides the law does not apply to them.

I would think the one driving well below the speed limit and therefore altering that limit to THEIR level for everyone else is the one that is "entitled"

fdpaq0580 02-13-2022 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2060918)
I would think the one driving well below the speed limit and therefore altering that limit to THEIR level for everyone else is the one that is "entitled"

The posted speed limit is the maximum legal speed on a roadway. The law does not require someone to drive at that speed. There are any number of reason, conditions, weather, etc when traveling the maximum speed limit is not recommended due to safety reasons. Therefore, I respectfully disagree. Impatience is the enemy of good judgment and safety.

JMintzer 02-13-2022 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2061037)
The posted speed limit is the maximum legal speed on a roadway. The law does not require someone to drive at that speed. There are any number of reason, conditions, weather, etc when traveling the maximum speed limit is not recommended due to safety reasons. Therefore, I respectfully disagree. Impatience is the enemy of good judgment and safety.

You've been shown, time and time again, the specific laws that state that "impeding traffic" is a illegal...

fdpaq0580 02-13-2022 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2060867)
No, "yield" does not mean "STOP." If they wanted a stop sign at an intersection then they could have put a stop sign at the intersection but instead they placed a yield sign. Yield means yield the right of way: It often requires slowing to determine if there is someone to yield the right of way to; It occasionally requires stopping to actually give the right of way but, it does not mean "STOP."

To-may-to, to-mah-to. The point is one must give way until it is safe to proceed. This may indeed require coming to a full stop until cross traffic clears. Anyone approaching a yield sign should slow down to ascertain if there is cross traffic or if it is safe to proceed. Thus, they should be prepared to stop if it is necessary.

Miboater 02-13-2022 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2060918)
I would think the one driving well below the speed limit and therefore altering that limit to THEIR level for everyone else is the one that is "entitled"

I heard a comedian once say that everybody driving slower than they are were morons and everybody driving faster were idiots. Funny but true.

golfing eagles 02-13-2022 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2061037)
The posted speed limit is the maximum legal speed on a roadway. The law does not require someone to drive at that speed. There are any number of reason, conditions, weather, etc when traveling the maximum speed limit is not recommended due to safety reasons. Therefore, I respectfully disagree. Impatience is the enemy of good judgment and safety.

In many jurisdictions, that speed limit is indeed "prima facie", and therefore takes into account weather and road conditions, and the appropriate safety adjustments incumbent upon drivers. That is NOT what we are talking about. The discussion centers around those that are too lame or lack the skills to drive at an appropriate speed, thereby creating a hazard on the road. As my father used to say, "they will never GET into an accident, but they will CAUSE plenty"

Laker14 02-14-2022 05:29 AM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2061055)
In many jurisdictions, that speed limit is indeed "prima facie", and therefore takes into account weather and road conditions, and the appropriate safety adjustments incumbent upon drivers. That is NOT what we are talking about. The discussion centers around those that are too lame or lack the skills to drive at an appropriate speed, thereby creating a hazard on the road. As my father used to say, "they will never GET into an accident, but they will CAUSE plenty"

And your father was wrong. They don't "cause" the accident. Impatient drivers behind them cause the accidents.

Laker14 02-14-2022 05:37 AM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2060918)
I would think the one driving well below the speed limit and therefore altering that limit to THEIR level for everyone else is the one that is "entitled"

Certainly, one should not drive 15mph in a 30. But I don't think that's really what gets into the craw of the driver who feels the "appropriate" speed is 5 -7 mph over the posted limit.
I think what really annoys these folks is the person going 5 mph UNDER the posted limit. What really annoys these folks is the driver who actually slows down to 25 at the yellow sign that cautions them they should slow down to 25 mph in anticipation of the roundabout.

Someone traveling a few miles an hour under the speed limit is not going to make a significant dent in anyone's schedule. No need to tailgate and try to make them even more uncomfortable. Just ease back, wait for an opportunity, and then get around them. Maybe lose a few seconds off your ETA. If that's such a big deal, that you feel your impatience is justified, and that any accident caused is is caused by the slow driver, you have a time management problem.

golfing eagles 02-14-2022 06:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Laker14 (Post 2061067)
And your father was wrong. They don't "cause" the accident. Impatient drivers behind them cause the accidents.

No, the drivers behind them are NOT IMPATIENT. They have the right to drive at the posted speed limit, NOT have their speed dictated by some bozo going 25 in a 45 zone. On a multilane high speed interstate, those very same "drivers" going 55 in the far left lane cause an obstruction to traffic----even the law requires them to move over. The number one cause of accidents on an interstate occur as the result of a lane change. These idiots that are "left lane Louies" cause dozens of unnecessary lane changes. So, my father was 100% correct. However, anyone who wants to sit behind them for 500 miles on I-95 are welcome to do it, they can term themselves "patient":1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

golfing eagles 02-14-2022 06:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Laker14 (Post 2061068)
Certainly, one should not drive 15mph in a 30. But I don't think that's really what gets into the craw of the driver who feels the "appropriate" speed is 5 -7 mph over the posted limit.
I think what really annoys these folks is the person going 5 mph UNDER the posted limit. What really annoys these folks is the driver who actually slows down to 25 at the yellow sign that cautions them they should slow down to 25 mph in anticipation of the roundabout.

Someone traveling a few miles an hour under the speed limit is not going to make a significant dent in anyone's schedule. No need to tailgate and try to make them even more uncomfortable. Just ease back, wait for an opportunity, and then get around them. Maybe lose a few seconds off your ETA. If that's such a big deal, that you feel your impatience is justified, and that any accident caused is is caused by the slow driver, you have a time management problem.

No I don't, NOR did I state that. My post states, IN ENGLISH, well under the speed limit.

I don't think it's "appropriate" to drive 5-7 mph over the limit, nor would someone slowing down to 25 when it is posted annoy me. Does it bother you since you seem to be able to read the minds of those drivers, or are you just guessing, because I don't know.

Lastly, why are we having an apples and oranges debate?????

Laker14 02-14-2022 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Get real (Post 2060274)
I don't drive....I aim. Get out of my way or look out.

But really, the people that drive slow and clog traffic are the ones causing the speeding and road rage. Entitled. Just move over already.

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Originally Posted by Laker14 (Post 2060570)
There are very few problems in life that can't be made worse with a small dose of impatience. This is particularly so on the road. Conversely, most problems can be mitigated with a very small dose of patience.
A deep breath and an easing back on the gas pedal are easy ways to make a problem go away, and, they don't cost much.

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2060586)
Or alternatively, the slug can take a deep breath, press forward on the gas pedal and keep up with traffic. Just a thought......

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2061078)
No, the drivers behind them are NOT IMPATIENT. They have the right to drive at the posted speed limit, NOT have their speed dictated by some bozo going 25 in a 45 zone. On a multilane high speed interstate, those very same "drivers" going 55 in the far left lane cause an obstruction to traffic----even the law requires them to move over. The number one cause of accidents on an interstate occur as the result of a lane change. These idiots that are "left lane Louies" cause dozens of unnecessary lane changes. So, my father was 100% correct. However, anyone who wants to sit behind them for 500 miles on I-95 are welcome to do it, they can term themselves "patient":1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2061080)
No I don't, NOR did I state that. My post states, IN ENGLISH, well under the speed limit.

I don't think it's "appropriate" to drive 5-7 mph over the limit, nor would someone slowing down to 25 when it is posted annoy me. Does it bother you since you seem to be able to read the minds of those drivers, or are you just guessing, because I don't know.

Lastly, why are we having an apples and oranges debate?????

probably because once you realized how ridiculous your apples debate was you switched to oranges.

golfing eagles 02-14-2022 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Laker14 (Post 2061095)
probably because once you realized how ridiculous your apples debate was you switched to oranges.

And all along I thought you needed to change to apples :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:


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