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Chatbrat 01-28-2020 06:41 PM

When you're past 65 it doesn't take much to kill you, a shot to the head when you were 20, that you laughed off can now be fatal--connective tissue & muscle strength is gonzo

coffeebean 01-29-2020 05:28 AM

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Originally Posted by merrymini (Post 1713444)
Have an electric car for over five years and got superior batteries for it when purchased. Keep it plugged in and check water levels all the time and never had a problem. The charger is a trickle, so can leave it plugged in when I am not here. My garage doesn’t stink like the tunnels after all those gas carts go through. Gas carts are big polluters because they do not have the emission controls that autos have. Just doing my bit for the environment and have been very happy. To each his own.

Do you mean cart?

Nucky 01-29-2020 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1713680)
Do you mean cart?

Coffeebean, open up the link for The Villages Golf CARS. I've noticed it both ways, Cars & Carts! Who knows? :clap2:

Golf Maven has an interesting article on the differences. Can't get it to link up. Sorry!

FrankH 01-29-2020 09:24 AM

Gas VS Electric Carts
 
I agree that it is a push on cost and reliability. My objection to gas carts is when I am behind them (especially in tunnels) and have to put up with their stink and noise.

tophcfa 01-29-2020 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by FrankH (Post 1713744)
I agree that it is a push on cost and reliability. My objection to gas carts is when I am behind them (especially in tunnels) and have to put up with their stink and noise.

I have never noticed or been bothered by the smell of gas golf carts. Being around people smoking cigarettes or cigars is another story altogether.

coffeebean 01-29-2020 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Nucky (Post 1713714)
Coffeebean, open up the link for The Villages Golf CARS. I've noticed it both ways, Cars & Carts! Who knows? :clap2:

Golf Maven has an interesting article on the differences. Can't get it to link up. Sorry!

No worries. Thank you.

Win1894 01-29-2020 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by jimbo2012 (Post 1713517)
that's why I use solar never run out of power

Hah. Except at night and up north, or when the PV cell short out.

mrf6969 01-29-2020 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by FrankH (Post 1713744)
I agree that it is a push on cost and reliability. My objection to gas carts is when I am behind them (especially in tunnels) and have to put up with their stink and noise.

then you are not in a tunnel with the new Quiet Tech Yamaha cart. The old Carburetor carts can have that smell.

mrf6969 01-29-2020 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by DAIII (Post 1713396)
I have a lithium powered cart- EZGO Elite - really a super piece of machinery. 8 yr on battery and no maintenance. I'm actually very surprised nobody is complaining about the smells of gas carts. (instantly gives me a headache) I wipe my windscreen down once a week with plexus plastic polish and the micro fiber cloth is black (from the soot of gas carts) - long story short I'm the guy wearing the face mask.

No charging stations.. YET but suspect they will be here soon.

Lithium carts go a long way on a very quick charge. :boom:

Did they tell you how much your battery pack is going to cost you when it is time to replace it? It is well over $5000.00 !! Now you could say then I will just get rid of the cart but who is going to buy it?

mrf6969 01-29-2020 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by John_W (Post 1713508)
You're right, if that's all I had to drive was the generic white Yamaha provided by TV for a LSV that only go 15 mph, I wouldn't drive a cart either. In fact on my LSV 9 years ago, I left the cart in the garage and drove my car to Cane Garden.

The newer Yamaha's go 20 mph, they're very quiet with extra insulation and sealed bottom. They have very little smell, get about 45 mpg, and will last you forever with just normal yearly maintenance.

To drive on the roads, you would need a street legal cart with auto insurance and a Florida tag. They would capable of going 25 mph, and would have requirements such as seat belts, windshield wipers and would be electric, like you want. You usually can find them for sale quite often. I've noticed more people are moving away from the higher speed golf cart and going with the Atomic Vehicle. It has all the capabilities of a cart, drive on cart paths, drive on golf course, but they are fully enclosed and air conditioned. We have an actual dealer at Brownwood. It's across 44 on the extension of Powell Rd. behind Sparr Building Supplies. I saw about 3 Atomic vehicles for sale on TOTV last year. The used ones usually sell for about $8,000 and new ones are $10,000 to $15,000 depending the on the model and options.

Atomic Electric Vehicles 4 seat coupe with AC/Heat - YouTube

https://www.atomiccoolkartz.com/uplo...022873-n_1.jpg

Just a word of caution on these carts. Before you purchase one make sure if you need parts that they are available. Over the last 15 plus years here in TV we have seen cart brands come and go. Owners trying to get service/repairs done and having mega buyers remorse. If you stick with the 3 major brands you will have a much better service experience.

ronvillages 01-29-2020 07:24 PM

Charging station
 
Lots of malls have cell phone charging stations. Lots of places have electricity car charging stations. Yes, it would be nice if the 3 town square golf cart shops had a quick charge station..even if there was a fee.

rwfisher1969 02-01-2020 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1713273)
Shoot me now if I ever had to travel THAT far in one day in a golf cart. I have a Yamaha electric cart with all the bells and whistles, including a luxury seat with arm rests and lumbar support. It also has bright headlights and self cancelling turn signals. Such luxury!!! Still, I would never travel that far in our golf cart in one day.

So, my question for all the must have a gas cart owners........Why the need for a gas cart if one can travel from Lopez all the way to Brownwood and also throw in a round of golf on one charge in an electric cart? I know, I know, as the batteries age, they do not perform as well as when they were new, but still.....who travels THAT far in a day?

My cart is always plugged in when in the garage so I always start the day with a full charge of the batteries.

We have rented in the Villages several times and always make sure to have a gas cart. We put that many miles and more on the carts every day. We come down to explore, play golf and meet new people. You cant do that staying in the house in a community like this one.

Fastskiguy 02-02-2020 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by mrf6969 (Post 1713375)
I have personally been involved with the cart business for 10 years. Yamaha Quiet Tech and non Quiet Tech Fuel Injected carts outsell electric carts 9 to 1. As far as cost to operate goes it really is a wash when you factor in the cost of battery replacement verses fuel and maintenance of a gas cart.

Hey so are you saying that the running costs are about the same? I'd like no noise or fumes and if the cost is about the same....I'm thinking electric.

Seriously, if i'm going to go from home south of the turnpike to spanish springs....well I can't do that in a golf car anyway.....for now.

charmed59 02-02-2020 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Number 10 GI (Post 1713582)
Where do you think that electricity comes from that charges your cart? It is either from a coal/natural gas powered generation plant or nuclear. I doubt there are any hydroelectric pants in Florida. Generating electric power produces pollution.

In the example I gave from California, the charging stations were powered by the solar panels that also shaded the parking spaces. There is a lot of sunshine here in Florida. FPL, one of the larger electric companies here in Florida has programs encouraging solar power.

TomSpasm 02-08-2020 09:26 AM

I've Never Understood the Insistence on Gas Carts
 
I moved here in 2011, bought in early 2012, bought a used 2008 Club Car electric w/4 12 volt batteries for 4K, modified it to use 8 6-volt batteries for better distance, and have replaced those batteries twice, once very recently. So I've got about 7K into my cart. Many of my neighbors have already replaced the new gas carts they bought for 12K in 2012 with another 12K gas cart...and they still insist that gas carts are cheaper to run!

I have been stranded by a bad battery once. I've been stranded twice on golf courses by gas carts that ran out of gas while we were playing golf.

My garage doesn't stink, and I don't stink up golf cart tunnels.

More importantly, my cart just goes when I hit the gas pedal, it doesn't hesitate like a gas cart. And it doesn't sound or smell like a gas cart...

One advantage I have is a central location, Lopez and Belle Glade are the same distance from my house. If I lived on one edge of the Villages or the other, I might consider a gas cart, otherwise there is no comparison in my opinion. I would gladly pay more for the benefits of an electric cart. I have yet to see or ride in any gas cart that I would trade mine for straight-up. I've never understood the insistence of the overwhelming majority that a gas cart is sooo superior...they're not!

John_W 02-08-2020 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by TomSpasm (Post 1716424)
...Many of my neighbors have already replaced the new gas carts they bought for 12K in 2012 with another 12K gas cart...and they still insist that gas carts are cheaper to run!

I can't explain that, only that my Yamaha gas cart purchased new at LSL in August 2011 fully loaded (Ultimate Seats, SS Wheels, big mirrors, black roof, etc) for $10,300 is still going strong. Only have yearly maintenance by Willie and replaced one battery three years ago. Get 40 mpg. I just upgraded to the new big more insulated cooler, added ball club washer a couple of years ago and a sand bottle to the passenger side and replaced the floor mat with the new solid rubber mat. This cart will last forever with proper care.

https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...4e&oe=5ED320EE

JoMar 02-08-2020 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by rwfisher1969 (Post 1714564)
We have rented in the Villages several times and always make sure to have a gas cart. We put that many miles and more on the carts every day. We come down to explore, play golf and meet new people. You cant do that staying in the house in a community like this one.

What does "that many miles" mean? 40 per day, 50 per day, 60 per day???

Fastskiguy 02-08-2020 08:12 PM

does anybody know how much electricity in $$ or KWh it costs to charge the batteries in an electric cart? and then how many miles do you get? seems we need to know this to know if running costs are more or less.

Blackie 02-08-2020 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Fastskiguy (Post 1716569)
does anybody know how much electricity in $$ or KWh it costs to charge the batteries in an electric cart? and then how many miles do you get? seems we need to know this to know if running costs are more or less.

I recorded the electricity used to charge my cart in 2013/2014 each week for 52 weeks and 4,710 miles. This was a ParCar with 1 year old batteries when I started recording, they were 8 x 6v Trojans. I still have the spreadsheet for this.

At that time electricity cost was 11.615 cents per kWh and my cost to charge was 2.269 cents per mile.

The amortized battery cost over almost 5 years (the life of those batteries and about 22,000 miles) was about 3.6 cents per mile. My usage went to about 5,200 per year and the cart was used every day and charged every day.

The total cost for charging and battery purchase was just less that 6 cents per mile.

So, on average over the year, it took .1964 kWh of electricity per mile to charge - I haven’t looked up the current cost for electricity but it’s probably not a lot more.

tophcfa 02-08-2020 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Blackie (Post 1716597)
I recorded the electricity used to charge my cart in 2013/2014 each week for 52 weeks and 4,710 miles. This was a ParCar with 1 year old batteries when I started recording, they were 8 x 6v Trojans. I still have the spreadsheet for this.

At that time electricity cost was 11.615 cents per kWh and my cost to charge was 2.269 cents per mile.

The amortized battery cost over almost 5 years (the life of those batteries and about 22,000 miles) was about 3.6 cents per mile. My usage went to about 5,200 per year and the cart was used every day and charged every day.

The total cost for charging and battery purchase was just less that 6 cents per mile.

So, on average over the year, it took .1964 kWh of electricity per mile to charge - I haven’t looked up the current cost for electricity but it’s probably not a lot more.

Dam, I am a gas cart guy, but I sure do relate to someone like me that puts everything in a spreadsheet and tracks statistics. I have spreadsheets that record every round of golf I have played in the last 25 years, every lap I have swam in the last ten years, every scuba dive I have done in my life, and every other thing important to me. Keep up the good work : )

Topspinmo 02-09-2020 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by ronvillages (Post 1713884)
Lots of malls have cell phone charging stations. Lots of places have electricity car charging stations. Yes, it would be nice if the 3 town square golf cart shops had a quick charge station..even if there was a fee.

Even? Why wouldn’t there be fee?

Topspinmo 02-09-2020 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by TomSpasm (Post 1716424)
I moved here in 2011, bought in early 2012, bought a used 2008 Club Car electric w/4 12 volt batteries for 4K, modified it to use 8 6-volt batteries for better distance, and have replaced those batteries twice, once very recently. So I've got about 7K into my cart. Many of my neighbors have already replaced the new gas carts they bought for 12K in 2012 with another 12K gas cart...and they still insist that gas carts are cheaper to run!

I have been stranded by a bad battery once. I've been stranded twice on golf courses by gas carts that ran out of gas while we were playing golf.

My garage doesn't stink, and I don't stink up golf cart tunnels.

More importantly, my cart just goes when I hit the gas pedal, it doesn't hesitate like a gas cart. And it doesn't sound or smell like a gas cart...

One advantage I have is a central location, Lopez and Belle Glade are the same distance from my house. If I lived on one edge of the Villages or the other, I might consider a gas cart, otherwise there is no comparison in my opinion. I would gladly pay more for the benefits of an electric cart. I have yet to see or ride in any gas cart that I would trade mine for straight-up. I've never understood the insistence of the overwhelming majority that a gas cart is sooo superior...they're not!

You should take class in how To maintain and drive gas golf cart if you buy gas cart. Who goes out on golf course with empty tank on gas cart? You’re garage does smell, the smell of batteries charging. And yes I’ve had both.

Fastskiguy 02-09-2020 06:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Blackie (Post 1716597)
I recorded the electricity used to charge my cart in 2013/2014 each week for 52 weeks and 4,710 miles. This was a ParCar with 1 year old batteries when I started recording, they were 8 x 6v Trojans. I still have the spreadsheet for this.

At that time electricity cost was 11.615 cents per kWh and my cost to charge was 2.269 cents per mile.

The amortized battery cost over almost 5 years (the life of those batteries and about 22,000 miles) was about 3.6 cents per mile. My usage went to about 5,200 per year and the cart was used every day and charged every day.

The total cost for charging and battery purchase was just less that 6 cents per mile.

So, on average over the year, it took .1964 kWh of electricity per mile to charge - I haven’t looked up the current cost for electricity but it’s probably not a lot more.

This is great, thanks, exactly what I was hoping for and more :)

Am I reading this right? It's curiously similar to run gas? $2.50 gal/40mpg=6.25 cents per mile plus a little bit for maintenance?

biker1 02-09-2020 07:08 AM

The EFI Yamaha carts get 50 MPG or approximately 5 cents per mile, at least mine does. I spend about 1 cent per mile for maintenance. These operating costs are small when compared to the depreciation if you buy a new cart. For example, the depreciation on my cart after almost 6 years is about 30 cents per mile.

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Originally Posted by Fastskiguy (Post 1716619)
This is great, thanks, exactly what I was hoping for and more :)

Am I reading this right? It's curiously similar to run gas? $2.50 gal/40mpg=6.25 cents per mile plus a little bit for maintenance?


Blackie 02-09-2020 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Fastskiguy (Post 1716619)
This is great, thanks, exactly what I was hoping for and more :)

Am I reading this right? It's curiously similar to run gas? $2.50 gal/40mpg=6.25 cents per mile plus a little bit for maintenance?

Yes, you are reading this correctly. When I originally did this I think the cost of gas was much higher than now, so at that time the running costs of an electric was lower than a gas cart. Probably now about they are about the same.

Even if the electric was more expensive to run, the quality of ride - fast off the line, quiet running, smoother ride and no fumes was worth it for me. Range was never an issue for me, I probably had at least 50 miles and the most I remember using was 27 miles. Usually around 12 - 18 miles per day.

Maintenance was inexpensive, I had a guy come once per year to service it, he lubed the suspension, rotated the tires, checked the brake adjustment although having regenerative braking meant there was almost no wear. Then there was no engine to service so overall maintenance is much easier and there is much less to do on an electric cart.

I didn’t have a battery watering system so would unscrew the battery caps on the first day of every month and top up with distilled water - maybe 15 minutes. I sprayed a protective layer on the terminals so never had corrosion or a problem there.


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