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gamby 01-14-2013 10:33 PM

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I agree

Skybo 01-14-2013 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by BarryRX (Post 608990)
I believe that it's the "slippery slope" argument. In other words, having the government surveil innocent people leads to storm troopers randomly stopping us and demanding to see our papers. The argument is not without merit in that we often do not object to just a tiny bit of our privacy or freedom being taken away for a good reason, nor the next little bit nor the one after that. Then all of a sudden we turn around and wonder where our freedom went to. The poster who wrote that he wouldn't mind if the government put a microphone and camera in his house because he has nothing to hide misses the point and would voluntarily surrender rights that the founders of this country fought and died for.

Yep. Just chip, chip, chip away at our freedom and Constitional Rights. One little chip at a time...who will notice or complain if we just chip away at it slowly. We've already accepted invasive "pat downs" and full body scans, just to be allowed the "privilege" to fly. Twelve years ago, we would have LOL at the thought, but because a few a-holes with box cutters managed to pull off a terrorist attack on the United States, all of a sudden, half of the citizens of this country have rolled over and begged their government to protect them, at any cost. Now, twelve years later...sure send drones overhead to record the moves of American citizens, by all means, if I'm not doing anything wrong, I don't care. Next year, stick a camera up my a$$, it's all good.

NJblue 01-15-2013 12:05 AM

It's interesting that folks are worried about a drone flying thousands of feet overhead, but then view a patrol car cruising in front of their house as a sign of good police protection. Think of all the money that can be saved and privacy restored if we just eliminate police patrols.

Challenger 01-15-2013 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by NJblue (Post 609127)
It's interesting that folks are worried about a drone flying thousands of feet overhead, but then view a patrol car cruising in front of their house as a sign of good police protection. Think of all the money that can be saved and privacy restored if we just eliminate police patrols.

what would possess you to think that reason should prevail?:ohdear:

Golfingnut 01-15-2013 04:15 AM

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Originally Posted by NJblue (Post 609127)
It's interesting that folks are worried about a drone flying thousands of feet overhead, but then view a patrol car cruising in front of their house as a sign of good police protection. Think of all the money that can be saved and privacy restored if we just eliminate police patrols.

I just don't think some folks think it through before looking at privacy invasion.

graciegirl 01-15-2013 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybo (Post 609116)
Yep. Just chip, chip, chip away at our freedom and Constitional Rights. One little chip at a time...who will notice or complain if we just chip away at it slowly. We've already accepted invasive "pat downs" and full body scans, just to be allowed the "privilege" to fly. Twelve years ago, we would have LOL at the thought, but because a few a-holes with box cutters managed to pull off a terrorist attack on the United States, all of a sudden, half of the citizens of this country have rolled over and begged their government to protect them, at any cost. Now, twelve years later...sure send drones overhead to record the moves of American citizens, by all means, if I'm not doing anything wrong, I don't care. Next year, stick a camera up my a$$, it's all good.

When someone could get on a plane with some knd of device to blow it up, sacrificing those freedoms are necessary in my opinion. It isn't a right to ride a plane, it is a privilege and a choice.

Many of us want to know WHAT that strange looking person is hiding.

It is wise to think, think again. Try to look at things in a common sense kind of way. Do not swallow whole what others write or print.

Don't let any group tell you what to think. ANY group.

And when they stop checking who has what hidden boarding a plane and I know that some folks hate Americans so much that they would willingly commit suicide to kill a bunch of us, I will stop boarding a plane. If being searched is the stopper for others, they will stop boarding a plane.

Everyone looks at things differently.

Golfingnut 01-15-2013 06:40 AM

I look at it as giving us more comfort one piece at a time. Not taking away one piece at a time. I guess its the glass half full or half empty.

Taltarzac725 01-15-2013 06:48 AM

I would have to reasearch the current US Supreme Ct and lower CT cases on warrants.
 
Drones stir up controversy after Sheriff Office purchase | Orange County News - WESH Home

These "drones" are about the size of some of the model planes you see flying over the Polo Field.

Lawyers on both sides would be looking out for our rights via the FL and US Constitutions with respect to warrantless searches and the like. I would think that this would save civilian and law enforcement lives in certain situatons like with an armed stand off where they could keep SWAT and neighbors away from the area more easily.

These are not the military style drones you see in many movies and TV shows. They have to be used by an officer who keeps them in her line of sight and only in daylight. Check page 2 of the WESH article.


What Is a Search Warrant and When Is One Needed? - Lawyers.com

Cisco Kid 01-15-2013 07:10 AM

R they armed

rubicon 01-15-2013 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybo (Post 609116)
Yep. Just chip, chip, chip away at our freedom and Constitional Rights. One little chip at a time...who will notice or complain if we just chip away at it slowly. We've already accepted invasive "pat downs" and full body scans, just to be allowed the "privilege" to fly. Twelve years ago, we would have LOL at the thought, but because a few a-holes with box cutters managed to pull off a terrorist attack on the United States, all of a sudden, half of the citizens of this country have rolled over and begged their government to protect them, at any cost. Now, twelve years later...sure send drones overhead to record the moves of American citizens, by all means, if I'm not doing anything wrong, I don't care. Next year, stick a camera up my a$$, it's all good.

Skybo: Spot on with the chip chip chip. during the cold war Russia used that very tactic to take control of Eastern Europe. The experts referred to it as "the salami tactic"" because the Russians took one slice at a time and before Eastern Europe knew it they were captives of Russia.

It would seem that Americans would be inclined to guard their freedoms more judicously but apparently too many of us are relying on the government for all things.

Certainly we can make an argument that the drones guard our safety and security. However we don't know the hearts of men. Even those with good intentions can make decision that end up with unintended consequences

The problem is there are no controls when it comes to the goverment. They implement policies that seem to disappear into nowhere but yet are costing us billions up billions, are no longer relevant and will continue into perpetuity.

Because of this I do have a tendency to look at everything they do with some skepticism. The government is heavy on this "too big to fail"theme and yet I wonder why they can't see that it has application to government too? Or can they?

graciegirl 01-15-2013 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Cisco Kid (Post 609164)
R they armed

They are about 36 inches wide and some of them carry dog poop.;)



No, now seriously just think that helicoptors look for things and sometimes can't get low and close. What if it was a lost child?

Cisco Kid 01-15-2013 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 609169)
They are about 36 inches wide and some of them carry dog poop.;)



No, now seriously just think that helicoptors look for things and sometimes can't get low and close. What if it was a lost child?

OH NO
U said the "P" word
:laugh::laugh:

Golfingnut 01-15-2013 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 609169)
They are about 36 inches wide and some of them carry dog poop.;)



No, now seriously just think that helicoptors look for things and sometimes can't get low and close. What if it was a lost child?

Again, think it through before becoming paranoid. Thanks for a well thought out post Gracie.

Cisco Kid 01-15-2013 08:57 AM

Can't wait until private companies get to use them.

Taltarzac725 01-15-2013 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Cisco Kid (Post 609237)
Can't wait until private companies get to use them.

Private companies do use them. Unmanned Drones Go From Afghanistan To Hollywood | Fast Company

Lights, Drones, Action: Hollywood’s high flyers hit Boston - Business - Boston.com

This is really interesting-- https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2012/0...e-made-watchin https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2012/0...-drone-records


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