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rshoffer 08-21-2008 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by amgoldho
We moved to West Boca Raton in July 1992 (yep just before Andrew) with our two daughters who were still in high school. We moved to Boca because of the school system. We lived in a subdivision of 7000 homes called Loggers Run.

Ok, During the first few years during the rainy season, there would be rain like clockwork and the thunderstorms would line up along I-95 and move inland. Water and rain was plenty. Then the building increased where we lived out towards the Everglades and between the turnpike and 441. Each year the rainy season seemed shorter and each year the starting point for the thunderstorms was further west until by the time we moved most of the rain was falling west of the turnpike. Water became and still is an issue. I talked to a person well versed in climate and he said if they keep building over the "open" land, water will become a serious problem. South Florida's water issue is greater than ours yet we with our own water system are on a form of rationing. To desalinate is a costly endeavor and guess who pays for it, the taxpayer.

Now we have a community that at buildout (2011??) we will have a population of 101,000+. With smart growth one takes into consideration the infrastructure, land use, etc. This developer is one of the best in this country. To plan out a community like this, is truly amazing and I truly thank him for that. At the same time one must consider the ramifications and the future quality of life.

If you have not been to South Florida, go there and see if you would like to live there.

Also this is a rural society not urban or suburban which makes this area almost unique. There are some beautiful horse farms, ranches which I hope never go.

I am more concerned about the quality of life for the future, not property values. Maybe I am an idealist, well so be it. Go take a ride in your golf cart and look at the open land and picture houses or whatever in those areas, could get a little suffocating.

Progress comes at what price?

I don't believe you are an idealist. Some people are never satisfied or able to see the glass as half full. If we all stay as active as we can in the District gov't I believe we can trust the developer to do what he's done so far... which is to create a retirement community that is the envy of the Nation.

villages07 08-21-2008 12:45 PM

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Today's Daily Sun had a small photo of lawn grader machines with caption stating they were clearing land for 182 villas and 20 designer homes in field by Old Mill Run. Nothing splashy.

As a topic cop aside for all of you out in the hinterlands, they also said Red Lobster site prep has begun and restaurant will open in Jan 09.

graciegirl 08-21-2008 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Russ_Boston
Welcome back Muncle - Nice to read you again!

To what point in time would some of you people like the Morse family to roll things back to?

Let's look at this from a business POV. If the new houses that they are building are still selling in this economy THEY must be doing something correct. Yes? If you now have major retail centers (the Wal-Marts, Target etc.) and hundreds of restaurants that you never had THEY must be doing something correct. Yes? If the house that you bought in 1998 is now worth 2 or 3 times what it was worth then THEY must be doing something right. Yes?

From an environmental standpoint when I look at the TV map I see numerous Krestel, Owl etc. preserves etc. I assume that this are permanent preserves and will not be built on. If that is the case then THEY must be doing something correct. Yes?

TV is more desirable today than it was 4 years ago, or 10 years ago or 20+ years ago when HS started this thing. THEY must be doing something correct. Yes?

Just my 4 cents worth from an outsiders perspective.
Russ


Russ. I agree with your very positive, very accurate post. :agree: :agree: :agree:

I personally have only heard this criticism of the developers on TOTV but never have heard it in TV when we am there. I haven't read a POA newsletter, just exerpts. I wonder why they make me feel not wanted as a newcomer sometimes here on this forum.

I certainly didn't want to spend my final years trying to run a golf course community. We did that once and believe me it isn't fun. A group of residents bought the course we lived on when it went on the market and I thought my neighbors had common sense. WRONG. Anything by committee is just a place for people to showcase their personal ideas. I am glad that the developers are running it and running it so well. I keep hearing about small things, not big things. May we all outlive any change in TV.

samhass 08-21-2008 03:33 PM

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Amen, Gracie!!!!! :bigthumbsup: :bigthumbsup: :bigthumbsup:

downeaster 08-21-2008 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl
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I certainly didn't want to spend my final years trying to run a golf course community. We did that once and believe me it isn't fun. A group of residents bought the course we lived on when it went on the market and I thought my neighbors had common sense. WRONG. Anything by committee is just a place for people to showcase their personal ideas.

Thanks Gracie, may we all listen well to your message.

For those who have never experienced what Gracie posted, beware. There are hundreds of cases just like hers. Satanic developer leaves only to be replaced by dozens of imps each one with mischief in mind. I, too, have had the same experience. Among other things, it turns neighbor against neighbor. Of all of the reasons I moved from that subdivision to The Villages, that was number one.

DC

NJblue 08-21-2008 04:23 PM

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When I look at open land in the TV area, if it is not a wildlife preserve and not a golf course, I assume that it will at some point be developed. That's the nature of the beast and as some have pointed out, along with development comes many positives.

In our case, we will be looking out over Rooseveldt golf course toward 466A. On the other side of 466A is open land. Our agent told us that eventually it will be developed "as houses". That's fine and to be expected. However, I am a bit concerned that "houses" may morph into McDonalds, Burger Kings and Home Depots. I am less fine with that concept, but I doubt that I would have any legal grounds to stand on in protesting a verbal comment made by a sales agent.

However, where I would draw the line with my level of acceptance is if the golf course, which I paid a hefty premium to be on and which the developer was willing to accept, turns into something other than a golf course. If that were to ever happen, I'm hoping that the number neighbors and fellow TVers willing to join in a legal battle would give the developer pause. In my mind, such a transformation clearly constitute fraud - when a developer makes a large profit selling a piece of land with a price premium for an amenity, there is an implicit understanding that that amenity will not be arbitrarily removed. But, until that happens, I am willing to give the Morse's the benefit of the doubt that their ethics are above that sort of thing.

Peachie 08-21-2008 04:32 PM

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Mr. Peachie and I received a resounding endorsement of The Villages while playing a round of golf with two golfers we met at tee time in April of this year. While waiting to tee at one of the holes, I asked one of the gentlemen how long he had lived in The Villages. He sheepishly admitted they had bought here several years ago but had moved away and then moved back. It appears that he and his wife were unhappy with the developer and left to live in another Florida golf community and then moved to another but nothing came close to what they had left. They returned to The Villages and they were not leaving again. That disclosure certainly made Mr. Peachie and me think we should keep drinking the water...

And think about those golf courses, I believe they are the biggest attraction to the area. Who the heck is going to buy homes or condos built on top of the golf course if there is no
golf or activity to interest them. Density can be found anywhere, amenities are what will draw future homeowners. Now if they find oil under the golf courses, they may have to drill but that's another thread :o

NJblue 08-21-2008 06:06 PM

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Well, what you say would be true if ALL of the golf courses were eliminated, but if they just eliminated one or two courses which could have far more value as say a shopping center or even more houses, they would still be able to advertise "free" golf as an amenity.

Russ_Boston 08-21-2008 10:15 PM

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NJB - Don't some of the CC courses belong now to the CDDs? If so then the 'developer' can no longer sell them, they belong to us (through the CDD extension if you own in that district). Once all the courses and other amenity facilities have been sold over to the districts then the developer can not just build on them with other uses.

At least that is my take on the government of the future (and some present) in TV.

renielarson 08-21-2008 11:39 PM

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However Russ...

The developer could raze all the Rec Centers and Executive Golf Courses and build whatever he wants there.

This is a scenario I don't think for a minute would happen....but it could....since Morse owns all of these.

`willy 08-21-2008 11:48 PM

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The Country Club golf courses and the polo fields are privately owned

Willy

`willy 08-22-2008 12:00 AM

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Russ
This link might help
WILLY http://thevillagesfl.blogspot.com/20...executive.html

drr47 08-22-2008 12:06 AM

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All very interesting, but if you want to know the future, just go to Bushnell to the "Planning and Zoning " department. They have the complete plan on file and it public record. It's call a DRI, its Directive of Regional Impact. This is the document that the developer must follow. It will tell you what will be residential, commercial etc. They can change this document, but must go through many hoops to do so. Hope this helps.

forever_villager 08-22-2008 12:11 AM

Re: Fence being removed by Lake Sumter Landing where buffalo were!
 
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Originally Posted by brightspot01
However Russ...

The developer could raze all the Rec Centers and Executive Golf Courses and build whatever he wants there.

This is a scenario I don't think for a minute would happen....but it could....since Morse owns all of these.

Brightspot:

Not entirely correct. The CDD's own the Executive Courses and the Recreation Centers. At least the ones that have been sold to the CDD's which is currently Districts 1-5. Future amenity sales will take place to purchase the newer ones.

The only golf courses the Developer owns are the Championship (Country Club) courses.


renielarson 08-22-2008 12:32 AM

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Forever_Villager...wrong, oh so, wrong

It's a question of what CDD's own what. The Central CDD's (Lake Sumter Landing and Spanish Springs...there IS a difference in CDDs) are owned by the owners of the land. Who owns the land there? The developer. Those 2 CDD's not only own all the land at both Squares but also own every single Executive Golf Course and every single Rec Center in the Villages.

If you don't believe me, then read the facts listed under "Links" at the top of this page: http://thevillagesfl.blogspot.com/20...executive.html


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