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Russ_Boston 12-27-2009 03:59 PM

There's a very simple device from the home store that can check 110 vs. 220. Good to keep in mind.

Either way it shouldn't start a fire, just blow the circuit. But I'm no electrician!

Talk Host 12-27-2009 05:06 PM

Here is something that many people both ignore and think is a non issue. (I too was in the volunteer fire service for 20 years as both a firefighter and code inspector)

How many of you look to see if your electric appliances, Christmas lights and extension cords are "UL" approved. Many discount, dollar and clearance stores sell such appliances that do not have the approval of the Underwriters Laboratory.

I remember vividly back when I was doing my radio talk show, I was speaking about this exact thing. A few minutes later, I got a call from a woman who said she heard what I had said and walked into her dining room to check on of those electric light candles in the window. She said, when she walked into the room, it was ON FIRE and spreading up the drapes. She extinguished the fire with water. The candle had been purchased at a dollar store and was NOT UL approved.

chelsea24 12-27-2009 07:42 PM

Yes!
 
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Originally Posted by Russ_Boston (Post 239873)
There's a very simple device from the home store that can check 110 vs. 220. Good to keep in mind.

Either way it shouldn't start a fire, just blow the circuit. But I'm no electrician!

I agree Russ, you would think it would blow the circuit, but it didn't! Our neighbors said it was hot and smoke coming out. They are talking it up with the builder. Thank God they were both home and awake.

I didn't know there was such a device. Good to know.

yobeano 12-27-2009 11:08 PM

Just some info. I have a lengthy electrical background. I dont know how the outlets were wired in this case but if they were wired correct a device that is meant to be charged by 220 volts will not physically plug into an outlet made for 110 volts. Also a 220 volt outlet will not physically accept a 110 volt device. Of course, anything goes if they were wired incorrectly, but that should be able to be traced back to the panel for verification.

graciegirl 12-28-2009 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by animal lover (Post 239682)
Help - I guess I don't understand why the circuit breakers aren't doing their job and just tripping if there are overloads on the electrical? Why would a fire start?

As info -I did have a home inspection before my 1 year warranty was up on the house and the home inspector said we had the golf cart plugged into the wrong plug in garage. We have an Amarillo ranch and he said to plug the cart into the outlet on right garage wall because it has a dedicated circuit breaker.

This is something that really needs some light shed on it.

Circuit breakers should break the circuit if they are overloaded. Electric one oh one.

Dedicated circuit breaker (!!??) should be marked. We have a gas cart, so I really didn't know about needing to plug an electric cart in the right plug. I think I will email The Villages again and link this thread. I hope that many of you will do the same.

mulligan 12-28-2009 08:23 AM

preventable fires
 
IMHO a thorough home inspection should pick up any outlets that are not wired correctly. I watched 2 different inspectors on my last 2 home purchases test every outlet( including range and dryer). While this may not prevent 100% of all electrical fires, I'll bet it would catch 98% of the problems present at the time of the inspection.

skip0358 12-28-2009 08:55 AM

Just a question??
 
The side by the POLO grounds where the last fire occured. When was that area built?? Asking because in the late 70 early 80 on Long Island we had Aluminum wiring being used. It was stopped after many fires some of which were deadly. Just asking. I know the new homes use copper just curious if the other side may have had aluminum. Also as I said earlier MAYBE the inspections are getting a little lax also in a few other posts people are also having electrical problems with there appliances.Just seems a little suspicious.But your right a breaker should break the circuit.

bluedog103 12-28-2009 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by skip0358 (Post 239937)
The side by the POLO grounds where the last fire occured. When was that area built?? Asking because in the late 70 early 80 on Long Island we had Aluminum wiring being used. It was stopped after many fires some of which were deadly. Just asking. I know the new homes use copper just curious if the other side may have had aluminum. Also as I said earlier MAYBE the inspections are getting a little lax also in a few other posts people are also having electrical problems with there appliances.Just seems a little suspicious.But your right a breaker should break the circuit.

Good point Skip. Improper wiring can overheat. Even copper of the incorrect guage can overheat. The breaker will trip if too much current (amperage) is being drawn but the wiring can overheat without tripping the breaker.

Army Guy 12-28-2009 09:55 AM

The burned house you see on Canal was caused by a lightning strike.

Army Guy

yobeano 12-28-2009 11:41 AM

Another electrical point. You could still have an overload on an extension cord that is rated for 8 amps but is plugged into a 15 amp recepticle. Remember the circuit breaker trips at 15 amps but you could have an awful lot of heat develop on an under-rated extension cord before the 15 amps is reached. The circuit breaker cant tell the difference between a normal load of say 10 amps and and a bunch of Christmas lights all daisy chained into this extension cord of 10 amps also.

downeaster 12-28-2009 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by yobeano (Post 239959)
Another electrical point. You could still have an overload on an extension cord that is rated for 8 amps but is plugged into a 15 amp recepticle. Remember the circuit breaker trips at 15 amps but you could have an awful lot of heat develop on an under-rated extension cord before the 15 amps is reached. The circuit breaker cant tell the difference between a normal load of say 10 amps and and a bunch of Christmas lights all daisy chained into this extension cord of 10 amps also.

Excellent point, yobeano. A lot of people seem to think the circuit breakers are a fool proof prevention of electrical overloads.

Consider a toaster. Plug it into a wall receptacle and turn it on. Those little wires inside get red hot, right? If you plug a string of Christmas tree lights into a receptacle then plug a toaster into the lights, turn on the toaster and guess what? The Christmas tree light cord turns red hot. That string of lights is not designed to carry the load imposed by a toaster.

The old adage "a chain is only as strong as its weakest link" applies here.

downeaster 12-28-2009 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by yobeano (Post 239923)
Just some info. I have a lengthy electrical background. I dont know how the outlets were wired in this case but if they were wired correct a device that is meant to be charged by 220 volts will not physically plug into an outlet made for 110 volts. Also a 220 volt outlet will not physically accept a 110 volt device. Of course, anything goes if they were wired incorrectly, but that should be able to be traced back to the panel for verification.

I had one wired incorrectly in a former home. The outlet went unused for years. When finally used for a floor lamp it burned the bulb immediately. After about three bulbs I called in an expert. He discovered the 110 outlet was wired for 220 instead of 110. Something about the ground prong (bare wire) being wired hot. Had I not discovered it right away it could have been serious.


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