[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Wyseguy

Why would the federal government pull authorization for these monoclonal antibodies? Were they proven to be dangerous?

No, not dangerous. Just totally ineffective---might just as well take snake oil. Or so the FDA narrative goes.......If we want a different answer, we might have to wait until tomorrow

[Swoop]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Maybe not, but it sure sounds like it

BTW, there were no "long term" studies for polio vaccine either

So if actual facts don’t align with your opinion, then they must be from an extremist website…
Polio vaccine - Bad example. The polio vaccine is a traditionally derived vaccine, just like virtually every other vaccine given to humans. mRNA technology is an unproven technology that was rushed to market. It’s been learn as they go. Sort of like a drug trial….

[oldtimes]

Originally Posted by Swoop

So if actual facts don’t align with your opinion, then they must be from an extremist website…
Polio vaccine - Bad example. The polio vaccine is a traditionally derived vaccine, just like virtually every other vaccine given to humans. mRNA technology is an unproven technology that was rushed to market. It’s been learn as they go. Sort of like a drug trial….

Isn’t that what a long term study is?

[blueash]

Originally Posted by Wyseguy

Why would the federal government pull authorization for these monoclonal antibodies? Were they proven to be dangerous?

The antibodies were approved after a few studies showed benefit in Delta and earlier varieties of Covid. And like all products the CDC continues to evaluate. This is especially true as none of the products were fully approved and were allowed to be used under emergency use authorization.

With the emergence of Omicron, all the studies have agreed that both Regeneron and the Eli Lilly similar product do NOT WORK on Omicron. Almost all the disease in the community is Omicron. This is not just the CDC saying it doesn't work... The manufacturers have said it doesn't work. Our governor of course disagrees because he knows more about campaign contributions and his own ego which has pushed this therapy while ignoring pushing vaccines.

If you really care here are several links to up to date literature:

An infectious SARS-CoV-2 B.1.1.529 Omicron virus escapes neutralization by therapeutic monoclonal antibodies | Nature Medicine which concludes
"Several mAbs (LY-CoV555, LY-CoV016, REGN10933, REGN10987 and CT-P59) completely lost neutralizing activity against B.1.1.529 virus "

In vitro evaluation of therapeutic antibodies against a SARS-CoV-2 Omicron B.1.1.529 isolate | bioRxiv
"We observed that six of these antibodies have lost their ability to neutralize the Omicron variant."

https://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/acs.jcim.1c01451
"The U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA)-approved monoclonal antibodies (mAbs) from Eli Lilly may be seriously compromised. Omicron may also diminish the efficacy of mAbs from AstraZeneca, Regeneron mAb cocktail, Celltrion, and Rockefeller University."

The stuff does not work well enough if at all and the emergency use has been withdrawn. As to whether it is dangerous... We of course do not have any long term studies and this is the first group of products ever to be allowed using a new technology in their development and use, right? This is the first AFAIK monoclonal antibody ever approved for treatment of a viral infection. There are several Covid vaccines that have never been allowed in the US. Because while they may help a tiny bit, they don't work well enough to be used. Like the one from China.

There is something that works really well to keep you from being hospitalized or dying from Omicron. It's not Regeneron.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Swoop

So if actual facts don’t align with your opinion, then they must be from an extremist website…
Polio vaccine - Bad example. The polio vaccine is a traditionally derived vaccine, just like virtually every other vaccine given to humans. mRNA technology is an unproven technology that was rushed to market. It’s been learn as they go. Sort of like a drug trial….

Whatever. Just realize when we first started to understand viruses and make vaccines, there were no "traditional" vaccines, so it was a new technology and the comparison is valid. And if you think what you posted were "actual facts", well, res ipsa loquitur.

[Swoop]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Whatever. Just realize when we first started to understand viruses and make vaccines, there were no "traditional" vaccines, so it was a new technology and the comparison is valid. And if you think what you posted were "actual facts", well, res ipsa loquitur.

You brought up polio. By the time the polio vaccine was introduced there were many predecessors that used “traditional” technology.

Interesting, what “fact” that I stated are you disputing?!?
Just because it doesn’t fit your mantra, doesn’t make it untrue…

[MDLNB]

It's interesting that they are shutting down the antibody treatment because for the Omnicron version of this virus it does not work. But, since the way it was explained to me, the antibody treatment was actually derived from anitbodies that were extracted and then duplicated many times, from the Covid19 plus Delta, how is it that they don't discontinue the shots also, since those technically(?) shouldn't have any effect on Omnicron either? Hey, I am just asking and not trying to be a smart @$$. And a possible answer to my own question is that maybe they are continuing the boosters so that the first versions of Covid19 don't come back. Just a suggestion.
I have family that were tested positive for Covid and we believe (since the test doesn't tell which one) that they have the Omnicron, since their only symptoms are a sore throat and sinus infection. They still have taste and smell and no fever. They were told to quarantine for five days and then wear a mask for five days. They are being treated with antibiotics for their sinus infection. They could not find anywhere to get tested, so they called Urgent Care and a team was dispatched to their home and tested them. Of course, they tested positive. Guess it would have been nice if they would have had the free home test kits.

[Altavia]

Fact Check: Is the Regeneron Treatment the Same As Getting a COVID Vaccine?

Monoclonal antibodies work by directly administering antibodies—molecules produced by the body's immune system that target viruses and stop them from making us ill.

The antibodies used in monoclonal antibody treatments are made in a lab, because scientists know what sort of antibodies work against COVID.

Vaccines, on the other hand, work by administering an inactive version of the virus it is trying to prevent—in this case COVID—which trains the body to produce its own antibodies in response.

The two treatments are not the same.

The difference between vaccines and monoclonal antibodies is that a vaccine will train the body to battle future infections while monoclonal antibodies can be used to immediately treat an existing infection.

Dr. Sushila Kataria, senior director of internal medicine at Indian private hospital Medanta, has said monoclonal antibodies work as soon as they are given. Vaccines offer protection one to two weeks after they are given.

But according to the Biotechnology Innovation Organization (BIO) COVID Vaccine Facts website, monoclonal antibodies are not likely to last as long as the protection from a vaccine.

And according to Vanderbilt University Medical Center, both monoclonal antibodies and vaccines should be used in society's battle against COVID; the former to treat infected people and the latter to stop people getting infected in the first place.