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Bogie Shooter 12-11-2020 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by jump4 (Post 1872249)
Correct. So why are we paying to build and maintain gates?

To prevent accidents!

Topspinmo 12-11-2020 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Debra Freeman (Post 1871964)
Since TV have to pay road taxes to Lake, Sumter, and Marion; access cannot be restricted


I don’t think that true for Marion county. Most road off BV are maintained by district which means Marion county don’t maintain them. There was reasons why the real King developer vowed never to build in Marion county again. But, didn’t bother the clan after his rising.

Topspinmo 12-11-2020 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by jump4 (Post 1872249)
Correct. So why are we paying to build and maintain gates?

Cause that way it was designed and maintenance paid for by districts through amenities fees.

retiredguy123 12-11-2020 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 1872247)
In the 17 years we have been here and before, it was never claimed by TV to be a gated community.

Unfortunately those uninformed assumed it was a gated community because they saw "gates".

TV was never intended nor presented to be a gated community.

I am always amused by the few who bad mouth the "fake" gated community...a want in their mind only.

The gates are strictly traffic control....activity between golf cars and full sized automobiles...nothing more.

Yes some have cameras...mostly to record a collision incident...most of which is the crashing of the gate(s).

Some may dispute that The Villages doesn't claim to be a gated community. Here is one of the FAQ's on The Villages website. I think the FAQ should be modified to clarify the "gated entries" reference.

Is The Villages Safe?

The Villages offers an array of services designed to ensure safety and security throughout the community. That includes gated entries, Villages Public Safety, House check program (Home Away), Community watch and one of the lowest crime rates, and the close relationships and watchful eyes of your neighborhood friends.

stanley 12-11-2020 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 1872306)
Some may dispute that The Villages doesn't claim to be a gated community. Here is one of the FAQ's on The Villages website. I think the FAQ should be modified to clarify the "gated entries" reference.

Is The Villages Safe?

The Villages offers an array of services designed to ensure safety and security throughout the community. That includes gated entries, Villages Public Safety, House check program (Home Away), Community watch and one of the lowest crime rates, and the close relationships and watchful eyes of your neighborhood friends.

"The Villages offers an array of services designed to ensure safety"
"That includes gated entries,"

"The Villages offers an array of services designed to ensure security throughout the community".
"Villages Public Safety, House check program (Home Away), Community watch"

That's how I read that anyway. In no way does it say the gates are there for security

dwhite5773 12-11-2020 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Arctic Fox (Post 1871910)
The majority of the gates have an access button on the post where you would scan your entry card - just press that and the arm will raise

Yes, have them PUSH the red button! Why there’s gates amaze us!

stanley 12-11-2020 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by dwhite5773 (Post 1872359)
Yes, have them PUSH the red button! Why there’s gates amaze us!

It amazes me that people are so, ...
...excuse me for being so blunt, stupid ... that they don't realize the gates are for safety and not security!

dwhite5773 12-11-2020 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by stanley (Post 1872360)
It amazes me that people are so, ...
...excuse me for being so blunt, stupid ... that they don't realize the gates are for safety and not security!

Well, that is DEFINITELY NOT what I meant! And unfortunately, if the people that live “inside the gates” cared more about such safety I would agree with you! Enough said!

photo1902 12-12-2020 06:25 AM

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Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 1872247)
In the 17 years we have been here and before, it was never claimed by TV to be a gated community.

Unfortunately those uninformed assumed it was a gated community because they saw "gates".

TV was never intended nor presented to be a gated community.

I am always amused by the few who bad mouth the "fake" gated community...a want in their mind only.

The gates are strictly traffic control....activity between golf cars and full sized automobiles...nothing more.

Yes some have cameras...mostly to record a collision incident...most of which is the crashing of the gate(s).

Very nicely put.

photo1902 12-12-2020 06:35 AM

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Originally Posted by dwhite5773 (Post 1872359)
Yes, have them PUSH the red button! Why there’s gates amaze us!

What amazes me is why anyone would move here having the assumption that the gates are to keep people out. Does no one do a second of research? The gates are for safety. For example, the next time you’re in your cart, or bicycle or walking on the MMP and need to cross a road behind a gate/guard shack, imagine safely doing that without the gates regulating traffic. Furthermore, when a gate arm has been broken off, check out the vehicles who drive through at 30mph without even slowing or stopping to check for cross traffic.

Again, you really don’t know why there are gates here ?

vmstygar@gmail.com 12-12-2020 07:09 AM

Don't fence me in
 
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Originally Posted by mysunshine1948 (Post 1871994)
If you think The Villages is a gated community, you need to think again! It is not! Anyone can push a red button and enter. Some villages, like LaBelle, even have an entrance with nothing....Justbturn in!!!! I moved!!!!

Hi - where did you move to? Is it gated? If so do you feel safer? Thanks

GOLFER54 12-12-2020 07:30 AM

I believe they have to do the Limbo under the gates.

Marathon Man 12-12-2020 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by sallyg (Post 1872114)
The gates are just for show, not security. Anyone can get in by pushing the red button.

The gates exist because golf carts and cars share those entrances. Imagine if the gates were not there.

I don't understand why so much bitterness exists about the gates. TV is not a gated community, the streets are county owned. That information is available to anyone who wishes to look. Assumptions lead to resentment.

banjobob 12-12-2020 08:55 AM

Just press the red button or use the attendant side , over 2000 per year just drive through and knock the gate arm off.

Kgcetm 12-12-2020 09:58 AM

They have to push the "Red Button" on the gate entry pad.

newgirl 12-12-2020 10:33 AM

Push a button lol, this is not a gated community. I think they are cute and it is nice to see a kind face but it amazes me how the developer gets away with putting private gates in public roads. This would never fly in other areas.

DonnaNi4os 12-12-2020 10:33 AM

There are either gate attendants or a red button which will open the gates. I believe the gates main purpose is to slow down traffic when entering a village community

GypsyRN 12-12-2020 10:50 AM

Gated traffic control measures
 
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Originally Posted by jump4 (Post 1872249)
Correct. So why are we paying to build and maintain gates?

To slow down those (puedo-entitled residents and outsiders) who like to see how fast they can run you over!!

Bogie Shooter 12-12-2020 11:22 AM

I was curious after seeing "push the button", "push the red button" post so often.
Of the 58 posts 19 of them said just that. So many people that don't read what already has been posted.
How many more before this thread retires?

NoMoSno 12-12-2020 11:27 AM

Push the red button...:a040:

donfey 12-12-2020 11:29 AM

You’re on candid camera!
 
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Originally Posted by ChiefDMM (Post 1871905)
Hello everyone. I have a rookie question. My wife and I will be moving to TV next year. I am curious how your guests get access through gates, as well as deliveries. Any information would be appreciated. Thank you.

Just smile and wave. He/she’ll Wave back and open the gate. The picture is automatic...

Curtisbwp 12-12-2020 12:14 PM

Good question
1st, you have to understand that The Villages is NOT a gated community. It is a controled access community. ANYONE can enter through the gates by mearly pushing the red button at the visiters gate. All of the roads in TV are public roads. Controlled access means that every one that enters the gate is recorded. Their picture is taken and neighborhood watch roams TV 24/7 and if there is any suspicious activities they call it in. You are safe.

pauld315 12-12-2020 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by stanley (Post 1872021)
Really? That's the first I heard of this.

That is because it is not true

OhioBuckeye 12-12-2020 03:59 PM

Ohiobuckeye
 
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Originally Posted by ChiefDMM (Post 1871905)
Hello everyone. I have a rookie question. My wife and I will be moving to TV next year. I am curious how your guests get access through gates, as well as deliveries. Any information would be appreciated. Thank you.

Easy answer, all the roads in TV are county roads & the Co. maintains them. They’re public!

EdFNJ 12-12-2020 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by stanley (Post 1872360)
It amazes me that people are so, ...
...excuse me for being so blunt, stupid ... that they don't realize the gates are for safety and not security!

Very true. That's what they are intended to be for. They do help more than nothing being there but with fast growing shrubbery blocking the driver's view of golfcarts crossing at MANY gates as well as the golfcart driver's view of vehicles coming through mainly the "guest" (inside) side of the gates it's still very dangerous and gives a false sense of safety. Also at the guarded gates the guards pay little or no attention to letting a car go flying through when there are carts "in the way." I have only seen one gate that had a "GOLF CART CROSSING" sign in front of it (I'm sure there are more but that's all we've noticed) which MIGHT make drivers at least think before speeding through. Point is, all they really do is break up the flow of traffic but the "safety" benefit is limited.

CWGUY 12-12-2020 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by EdFNJ (Post 1872740)
Very true. That's what they are intended to be for. They do help more than nothing being there but with fast growing shrubbery blocking the driver's view of golfcarts crossing at MANY gates as well as the golfcart driver's view of vehicles coming through mainly the "guest" (inside) side of the gates it's still very dangerous and gives a false sense of safety. Also at the guarded gates the guards pay little or no attention to letting a car go flying through when there are carts "in the way." I have only seen one gate that had a "GOLF CART CROSSING" sign in front of it (I'm sure there are more but that's all we've noticed) which MIGHT make drivers at least think before speeding through. Point is, all they really do is break up the flow of traffic but the "safety" benefit is limited.

:ohdear: Yeah right! Like the STOP sign that is in front of every gate. :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

We can blame signage, shrubbery, Gate guards, the Morse family and a thousand other things..... or the people who are always in a hurry for some reason. SLOW DOWN folks. :icon_wink:

Bogie Shooter 12-12-2020 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by EdFNJ (Post 1872740)
Very true. That's what they are intended to be for. They do help more than nothing being there but with fast growing shrubbery blocking the driver's view of golfcarts crossing at MANY gates as well as the golfcart driver's view of vehicles coming through mainly the "guest" (inside) side of the gates it's still very dangerous and gives a false sense of safety. Also at the guarded gates the guards pay little or no attention to letting a car go flying through when there are carts "in the way." I have only seen one gate that had a "GOLF CART CROSSING" sign in front of it (I'm sure there are more but that's all we've noticed) which MIGHT make drivers at least think before speeding through. Point is, all they really do is break up the flow of traffic but the "safety" benefit is limited.

Suggest if you see these overgrown bushes...send a note to District Property Management. They appreciate being made aware of safety issues.

Assistant Director, Landscape, Water Resources, Road & Infrastructure Divisions
Mike Harris – Mike.Harris@DistrictGov.org

EdFNJ 12-12-2020 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by EdFNJ (Post 1872740)
Very true. That's [security] what they [gates] are intended to be for. They do help more than nothing being there but with fast growing shrubbery blocking the driver's view of golfcarts crossing at MANY gates as well as the golfcart driver's view of vehicles coming through mainly the "guest" (inside) side of the gates it's still very dangerous and gives a false sense of safety. Also at the guarded gates the guards pay little or no attention to letting a car go flying through when there are carts "in the way." I have only seen one gate that had a "GOLF CART CROSSING" sign in front of it (I'm sure there are more but that's all we've noticed) which MIGHT make drivers at least think before speeding through. Point is, all they really do is break up the flow of traffic but the "safety" benefit is limited.

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Originally Posted by CWGUY (Post 1872745)
:ohdear: Yeah right! Like the STOP sign that is in front of every gate. :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

We can blame signage, shrubbery, Gate guards, the Morse family and a thousand other things..... or the people who are always in a hurry for some reason. SLOW DOWN folks. :icon_wink:

Not quite sure how that has anything to do with view blocking shrubbery or "guards" who don't guard but just put their arm up and down before every car without noticing any carts in front. That's just setting blame and not trying to solve the problem.

Any little preventative thing that could prevent someone in a golf cart OR a car from being injured as ROTFL funny as you think it might sound could only be a plus. Just blaming the drivers doesn't prevent injury from accidents. Since you imply the stop signs are useless and/or ignored should they be removed? NO. They shouldn't trim the hedges because it won't matter ? NO. If someone driving a GC THINKS the guard (or the gate) protects them they are under a false sense of security which was my point. Just setting blame doesn't prevent people from possible injury.

EdFNJ 12-12-2020 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 1872762)
Suggest if you see these overgrown bushes...send a note to District Property Management. They appreciate being made aware of safety issues.

Assistant Director, Landscape, Water Resources, Road & Infrastructure Divisions
Mike Harris – Mike.Harris@DistrictGov.org


Thanks, didn't know they were the ones ... in some cases the shrubs aren't actually "overgrown" they just are too high and are in a bad place where you have to verrrrrrrry slowly crawl forward to make sure a car isn't going through guest gate because the height of the landscaping blocks it. Rather than hedges they should have low ground cover like plants. Also the guest "red button"/card scanner is much further back behind the gate than the "resident" scanner so the "guest" car gets a running start after the gate goes up. Most people are aware but there are lots of newbie GC drivers and speeding car drivers so they are up to 25mph before they even get to the gate itself since the red button/scanner is so far back on the GUEST side.

Pairadocs 12-12-2020 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Arctic Fox (Post 1871910)
The majority of the gates have an access button on the post where you would scan your entry card - just press that and the arm will raise

All roads are public, manned or unmanned gates are the same. This is not a private community and people in manned gates have no legal authority to question anyone, admit or deny, etc. It is also not necessary to go to "visitor/guest" lane to enter. It's just a way to give the illusion of a private community. All delivery people know this and simply push the button that opens the gate arms.... it's all "smoke and mirrors" so to speak, but when we were buying a lot here we actually thought it was all private roads. There are such places in Florida, but ..... they are VERY expensive ! We have friends who live near Orlando and EVERYONE who wants to visit is CALLED from the gate to make sure they are really expecting someone, including appliance repair, delivery, etc. Nothing like that here at all, actually don't even need the gate cards with chip in them, but they do bring in a bit of extra income (not sure, think we paid $50 for a card, but definitely it's only a convenience, hardly worth it to avoid pushing a button, up to you personally if it's worth the money, but at most gates you still have to open the car windows constantly anyway, so why not just push the button rather than mess with a card, but to each their own, LOL !

Pairadocs 12-13-2020 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by stanley (Post 1872360)
It amazes me that people are so, ...
...excuse me for being so blunt, stupid ... that they don't realize the gates are for safety and not security!

Hey, we admit it, worked when bought our lot and we consider ourselves educated folks....but, the rep kept rolling down the windows, sticking the little card across the (magnetic ?) plate, didn't find out until we'd spent $100 (or maybe more ?) for the stupid cards we never needed and seldom use... so yep, be blunt.... LOL ! Not sure the gates are "safe" either, but I am sure some do. Seems they often make a bad problem even worse, but it's debatable, yes. One thing for sure, they must be a terrible EXPENSE, I don't think there is ever a day in The V's when people are no working on these gates. Wonder just how much money is wasted each year to repair these things ? But, it's only money as they say.

Pairadocs 12-13-2020 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by NavyVet (Post 1872151)
Sadly, that is correct. TV is the "illusion" of a gated community, not an actual gated community. No one really needs a gate card even. Gates are only to slow down traffic.

And slow it they certainly DO. Cars sometimes blocking 466 with cars back up from past the library and high school out onto the highway ! What a mess. Relatives said same at their area where they are backed onto OBT.... it's a mess, that's for sure, but that should be a matter for law enforcement ! BTW, parking a police car near Pilmico rec center DID actually slow down the 55 miles and hour, double tandem "lawn service" crazy drivers..... but alas, I noticed while walking this week, that they ALL now know it's empty ! Too bad, even some of the crazy "race drivers" in the furniture delivery trucks who swerve into the cart lanes on a regular basis, did slow down for a week or so ! Wish they would move the empty car around, or better yet, if only they could afford to actually have an office write tickets to these people who think this is just a race track ! ? But, can't use an officer's time to write speeding tickets I suppose, we're so fortunate to have our police these days !

Pairadocs 12-13-2020 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by mysunshine1948 (Post 1871994)
If you think The Villages is a gated community, you need to think again! It is not! Anyone can push a red button and enter. Some villages, like LaBelle, even have an entrance with nothing....Justbturn in!!!! I moved!!!!

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Originally Posted by kbogli (Post 1872089)
To the OP, if a secure gated/guarded community is what you are looking for there are many of these communities near/around the Villages. Do your homework and explore what there is available. 55places dot com is a great resorse to check out.

I agree ! But, we got "fooled" with the way the sales reps act and all. However, not at all upset, we could never afford a true gated/private community. But agree, if you can, it's the way to go !

Pairadocs 12-13-2020 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by CWGUY (Post 1872745)
:ohdear: Yeah right! Like the STOP sign that is in front of every gate. :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

We can blame signage, shrubbery, Gate guards, the Morse family and a thousand other things..... or the people who are always in a hurry for some reason. SLOW DOWN folks. :icon_wink:

Agree ! One point, can tell you we have a friend who did work at a gate house for several years actually. She in NO WAY SHAPE OR FORM thought of herself as a "guard" of any kind ? Maybe some do actually think they are "gate guards" but really don't think so, but my opinion is based on actually personally knowing ONE person... so "take with the proverbial grain of salt !"

Bogie Shooter 12-13-2020 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Pairadocs (Post 1872801)
Hey, we admit it, worked when bought our lot and we consider ourselves educated folks....but, the rep kept rolling down the windows, sticking the little card across the (magnetic ?) plate, didn't find out until we'd spent $100 (or maybe more ?) for the stupid cards we never needed and seldom use... so yep, be blunt.... LOL ! Not sure the gates are "safe" either, but I am sure some do. Seems they often make a bad problem even worse, but it's debatable, yes. One thing for sure, they must be a terrible EXPENSE, I don't think there is ever a day in The V's when people are no working on these gates. Wonder just how much money is wasted each year to repair these things ? But, it's only money as they say.

Glad you are happy here?

photo1902 12-13-2020 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Pairadocs (Post 1872804)
Agree ! One point, can tell you we have a friend who did work at a gate house for several years actually. She in NO WAY SHAPE OR FORM thought of herself as a "guard" of any kind ? Maybe some do actually think they are "gate guards" but really don't think so, but my opinion is based on actually personally knowing ONE person... so "take with the proverbial grain of salt !"

The job title is Gate Attendant. Good grief.

I can’t imagine being so miserable.

Bogie Shooter 12-13-2020 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Pairadocs (Post 1872803)
I agree ! But, we got "fooled" with the way the sales reps act and all. However, not at all upset, we could never afford a true gated/private community. But agree, if you can, it's the way to go !

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EdFNJ 12-13-2020 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by CWGUY (Post 1872745)
:ohdear: Yeah right! Like the STOP sign that is in front of every gate. :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Went through 4 gates today and there was not one single STOP SIGN (unless the gate was missing because someone broke it). Maybe in your area but not here or maybe your definition of a STOP SIGN is different than what I am used to seeing.

EdFNJ 12-13-2020 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by photo1902 (Post 1872843)
The job title is Gate Attendant. Good grief.

LOL, Not applying for a job so what does the job title matter? A "guard" doesn't necessarily mean POLICE GUARD carrying a gun with arrest powers it also means someone simply watching over a particular spot (like the gate) to protect (guard) it from someone crashing through or colliding with the person in the other lane.

-watch over in order to protect or control.
-protect against damage or harm.
-a person who keeps watch
-to take precautions (usually followed by against)

Despite his official "job title" he is still being a "guard". Tomato, tomahto .....

photo1902 12-13-2020 01:18 PM

[QUOTE=EdFNJ;1873014]LOL, Not applying for a job so what does the job title matter? A "guard" doesn't necessarily mean POLICE GUARD carrying a gun with arrest powers it also means someone simply watching over a particular spot (like the gate) to protect (guard) it from someone crashing through or colliding with the person in the other lane.

-watch over in order to protect or control.
-protect against damage or harm.
-a person who keeps watch
-to take precautions (usually followed by against)

Despite his official "job title" he is

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