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I doesn't take much to realize this is not a true gated community. When a driver can push the red button at an unmanned gate and gain entry, you must realize this is not a gated community. As someone said earlier, this is a community with gates. I will add to that, security is not the reason for the gates. What ever the original reason was for including gates in this community, I think allowing golf carts to proceed onto the golf cart paths at the gates is the one and only positive thing that comes out of having the gate system.
I think another positive thing we get from the gates is - a little safety because the uninformed that don't live here might think it's a gated community. The uninformed that do live here..... well that's never going to change.
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When you exit a neighborhood area, you drive up to the gate and it opens automatically. If they wanted to eliminate the cards, they could use the same system at the neighborhood entrances. There would be no reason for any other system.

I completely agree. And the momentary stop still allows the camera to take a picture.
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Never said it was, but the image TV wants prospective buyers to believe is that is a gated community. And what source can you provide that states the original intent of the gates was for traffic control?
Gates at an entrance or at an exit are by definition a traffic control device.


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"According to the MUTCD, what are traffic control devices? "All signs, signals, markings, and other
devices used to regulate, warn, or guide traffic, placed on, over, or adjacent to a street, highway,
pedestrian facility, or bicycle path by authority of a public agency having jurisdiction." Automatically or
manually operated gates installed and operated under authorization of a public agency to control traffic
accessing public streets are considered as traffic control devices based on this definition."
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Old 10-22-2019, 01:51 PM
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When you exit a neighborhood area, you drive up to the gate and it opens automatically. If they wanted to eliminate the cards, they could use the same system at the neighborhood entrances. There would be no reason for any other system.
You make a big assumption....that golf carts will stop & yield at the gates. Remember they don't have a gate!
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You make a big assumption....that golf carts will stop & yield at the gates. Remember they don't have a gate!
I don't have a golf cart, but aren't golf carts crossing the street at the car exit gates as well as entrance gates?
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I don't have a golf cart, but aren't golf carts crossing the street at the car exit gates as well as entrance gates?
Yep, and some don't stop and yield.
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[QUOTE=Chatbrat;1690011]Must agree, this way , when a gate arm the "CART" could be Id'd[/Q

Carts, with a few exceptions, never go through gates
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Gates at an entrance or at an exit are by definition a traffic control device.


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"According to the MUTCD, what are traffic control devices? "All signs, signals, markings, and other
devices used to regulate, warn, or guide traffic, placed on, over, or adjacent to a street, highway,
pedestrian facility, or bicycle path by authority of a public agency having jurisdiction." Automatically or
manually operated gates installed and operated under authorization of a public agency to control traffic
accessing public streets are considered as traffic control devices based on this definition."
This is no proof that TV's initial purpose of the gates was for traffic control. If that was the case why do you need to use a card to enter the gate??? It could work just like the side when you leave, it automatically opens upon the approach of a vehicle. It would also be much cheaper than the system in use now. I worked with marketing types for 18 years and I know the mindset. The gates are intended to give the "impression" that this is a gated community.
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I doesn't take much to realize this is not a true gated community. When a driver can push the red button at an unmanned gate and gain entry, you must realize this is not a gated community. As someone said earlier, this is a community with gates. I will add to that, security is not the reason for the gates. What ever the original reason was for including gates in this community, I think allowing golf carts to proceed onto the golf cart paths at the gates is the one and only positive thing that comes out of having the gate system.
Unless you live in the villages or are a contractor you won't have any idea what the red button is for. The instructions on the box says push red button for assistance, nothing about push the button for access.
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And if they push the red button.....they will get assistance.
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My former employer used the same system. There is an active card available that can be put on the inside of the windshield and will transmit 6-8 feet instead of the 12" of the proximity cards.

I think cost was in the $25 range per active card vs $1-$2 for the proximity cards. These in theory could be offered at additional cost as an upgrade to those willing to pay the cost.
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This is no proof that TV's initial purpose of the gates was for traffic control. If that was the case why do you need to use a card to enter the gate??? It could work just like the side when you leave, it automatically opens upon the approach of a vehicle. It would also be much cheaper than the system in use now. I worked with marketing types for 18 years and I know the mindset. The gates are intended to give the "impression" that this is a gated community.
Evidently that's your story and your sticking to it.....
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I don't have a golf cart, but aren't golf carts crossing the street at the car exit gates as well as entrance gates?
Correct, but at the exit gates they pass behind the cars, when the cars come in the carts pass in front of the cars. Also, less of sight lines on the cars coming in.
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Remember they don't have a gate!
There are many gates that a golf cart must go through like an automobile to enter and/or exit a village. Just saying.
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This is no proof that TV's initial purpose of the gates was for traffic control. If that was the case why do you need to use a card to enter the gate??? It could work just like the side when you leave, it automatically opens upon the approach of a vehicle. It would also be much cheaper than the system in use now. I worked with marketing types for 18 years and I know the mindset. The gates are intended to give the "impression" that this is a gated community.
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